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Rice, UTEP being mentioned as MWC discusses expansion

Since we are speculating and it is a slow Saturday morning, how about the following:

Pac-12 kicks out Washington State and Oregon State and Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU join the Pac-12. Mountain West picks up WSU and OSU along with the left over table scraps from the now imploded Big 12. Mountain West would kick out either SJSU and/or Hawaii to make room for the two ex-Pac 12 schools and three ex-Big 12 schools (Kansas, KSU and Iowa State). BYU sees this happen and begs the MWC to let them back in.

Pac-12 would be the first 16 team "Super Conference" we keep hearing about and MWC would be number two. Probably not likely but with TV markets being the driver, could see something like this potentially happening at some point.
 
Vancopoke said:
Since we are speculating and it is a slow Saturday morning, how about the following:

Pac-12 kicks out Washington State and Oregon State and Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU join the Pac-12. Mountain West picks up WSU and OSU along with the left over table scraps from the now imploded Big 12. Mountain West would kick out either SJSU and/or Hawaii to make room for the two ex-Pac 12 schools and three ex-Big 12 schools (Kansas, KSU and Iowa State). BYU sees this happen and begs the MWC to let them back in.

Pac-12 would be the first 16 team "Super Conference" we keep hearing about and MWC would be number two. Probably not likely but with TV markets being the driver, could see something like this potentially happening at some point.
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If this were to ever happen where do you think the MWC would end up in the whole scheme of things post rapid expansion and implosion?
 
Contraction should be the priority before expansion. I've even posted on the MWCboard, amongst all our piers, if anyone can think of a reason why SJSU is in the MWC. The best answer I got is because the newcomer Wac-off teams wanted another California scrub because of the perceived voting block between UNM, AFA, Wyo, and CSU.

We need to kick their ass to the curb. Two games for everyone in conference against a 330+ RPI team at basketball changes your league from a 4 bid league to a 2 bid league. They have to go. They cost the conference millions a year in revenue because of their consistently shitty basketball team.

At football there isn't much difference between Utep, San Joser, and a Wichita State team that would be re-starting their football team from scratch. They all suck. Still, Utep puts asses in seats and they fit the geographic footprint. Utep fans are loyal. They've been watching Utep suck at football for years and that doesn't stop them from watching. In addition, they bring a great conference rivalry with UNM as well as a basketball program that would flourish in the MWC. San Jose can't put 15,000 in their stands in a city of 3 million plus.

While we're booting out turds, we should get rid of Hawaii as well. They're an impossible road trip to a place where they get to keep their own t.v. contract. They have no business in the MWC, when they're in the middle of the Pacific ocean.

This conference needs to focus on the same things we've always needed to focus on. We need to tighten up the geographic footprint to minimize costs. We need to surround ourselves with member institutions we share cultural similarities with. Both football and basketball would benefit with a recruiting footprint in west Texas and Kansas. That would greatly benefit the MWC.

It's extremely important that we do what's necessary to get rid of San Joser and Hawaii. Then we can add Utep and Wichita, and make our conference the 6th best basketball league in America again.

I like this set-up.

MWC East

Wichita
Utep
UNM
Wyo
CSU
AFA

MWC West

Boise
Fresno
SDSU
Nevada
UNLV
USU

It's a perfect geographical split down the continental divide. It cuts down on travel costs. It eliminates dead weight. It adds two new states to the footprint at the expense of markets that either don't care about the local product(San Jose) or don't share their t.v. revenue(Hawaii).

It also leaves us the opportunity for BYU and Houston to join if we need to get to 14 by keeping the conference smaller and more efficient.

Wyoming, CSU, UNM, and AFA need to take the lead again, and get rid of the California crap and the small asian country 3000 miles away from everyone. We need to drive contraction so we can expand smartly. Adding San Joser and Hawaii was a knee jerk reaction based solely on survival. We need to correct that mistake as soon as possible because it will become more difficult to correct it the longer they're here.
 
This is the stupidest thread I have ever seen on Wyonation.

While we are at it why don't we create a conference with Ohio State, Michigan, Florida State, Bama, Texas, and USC? Then for hoops season we get Kentucky and Kansas as well!
 
Cowboy Junky said:
Contraction should be the priority before expansion. I've even posted on the MWCboard, amongst all our piers, if anyone can think of a reason why SJSU is in the MWC. The best answer I got is because the newcomer Wac-off teams wanted another California scrub because of the perceived voting block between UNM, AFA, Wyo, and CSU.

We need to kick their ass to the curb. Two games for everyone in conference against a 330+ RPI team at basketball changes your league from a 4 bid league to a 2 bid league. They have to go. They cost the conference millions a year in revenue because of their consistently shitty basketball team.

At football there isn't much difference between Utep, San Joser, and a Wichita State team that would be re-starting their football team from scratch. They all suck. Still, Utep puts asses in seats and they fit the geographic footprint. Utep fans are loyal. They've been watching Utep suck at football for years and that doesn't stop them from watching. In addition, they bring a great conference rivalry with UNM as well as a basketball program that would flourish in the MWC. San Jose can't put 15,000 in their stands in a city of 3 million plus.

While we're booting out turds, we should get rid of Hawaii as well. They're an impossible road trip to a place where they get to keep their own t.v. contract. They have no business in the MWC, when they're in the middle of the Pacific ocean.

This conference needs to focus on the same things we've always needed to focus on. We need to tighten up the geographic footprint to minimize costs. We need to surround ourselves with member institutions we share cultural similarities with. Both football and basketball would benefit with a recruiting footprint in west Texas and Kansas. That would greatly benefit the MWC.

It's extremely important that we do what's necessary to get rid of San Joser and Hawaii. Then we can add Utep and Wichita, and make our conference the 6th best basketball league in America again.

I like this set-up.

MWC East

Wichita
Utep
UNM
Wyo
CSU
AFA

MWC West

Boise
Fresno
SDSU
Nevada
UNLV
USU

It's a perfect geographical split down the continental divide. It cuts down on travel costs. It eliminates dead weight. It adds two new states to the footprint at the expense of markets that either don't care about the local product(San Jose) or don't share their t.v. revenue(Hawaii).

It also leaves us the opportunity for BYU and Houston to join if we need to get to 14 by keeping the conference smaller and more efficient.

Wyoming, CSU, UNM, and AFA need to take the lead again, and get rid of the California crap and the small asian country 3000 miles away from everyone. We need to drive contraction so we can expand smartly. Adding San Joser and Hawaii was a knee jerk reaction based solely on survival. We need to correct that mistake as soon as possible because it will become more difficult to correct it the longer they're here.
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Oddly enough this sounds very very appropriate. I understand our hatred for BYU but to accept them back and to be able to possibly land Houston or an equivalent the Mountain West would easily be ahead of the AAC and potentially be in the New Years six year in and year out barring a down year ala 2015.
 
San Jose State was added for recruiting in N. California and not sure what the reason was for inviting Hawaii. I think the MWC, similar to Conference USA, AAC, etc., is basically fighting for survival. All the money goes to the 64-65 teams that make up the P5 and very little finds its way down to the next level of conferences. Hence, you have the Colorado States, Boise States, BYU scrambling in an attempt to get a seat at the big boy table.

Specific to Wyoming, I'm not sure if there is anything that can be done in terms of athletics. Since money drives the bus, not sure there is much the school can do in with the athletic programs that will enhance the image. It used to be winning basically cured all but the rules have changed. Short of getting into the Big 12, I'm afraid Wyo and the MWC will be even more irrelevant than we are right now.
 
Cornpoke said:
McPeachy said:
The "off season" for Wyoming football fans, appears to officially be here.

Hawaii was a way worse addition than SJSU IMO. I hate playing that game, may as well play on the moon.
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I'm going to disagree with you. Hawaii not only makes a great away trip! Which is a great excuse for a vacation around attending an away game. But also it would also give Wyoming an extra home game = extra $$$. Apparently Tom Burman didn't realize that when asked about it and did not plan on scheduling an extra home game. His loss IMO
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Most of the teams that play at Hawaii don't play the extra game for competitive reasons. BYE week is important
 
I'm not sure why the motivation to expand now. Adding any team willing to come won't help us catch the AAC and I just don't know how we would get more tv money.

I'm sure I'm missing something, but I just don't understand.
 
Sorry. I got excited. Outside of wyo basketball conference expansion is the most interesting thing here.


Rice has an endowment of 5.5 BILLION dollars. That's the only reason they are a candidate for everything.


So yeah I am the supporter of a super conference. But I do realize that we already tried it. It wasn't the right schools. I get wanting to get rid of San Jose. Rice, Tulsa and SMU didn't work the first time, but times are changing. Those still might not be the right teams


Houston Cougars "could" be a national power in basketball or football. Way more easily than UW or csu or Air Force or nm. Speaking of csu, af, nm- those are the schools we have to stay with no matter what. Unlv and San Diego are the schools we want to and should stay with.



You guys will all like the conference playoff idea in 10 years when everybody does it. You should like the idea of the mw starting a 4, 8 or more football playoff right now.
 
Would could the mw get into a playoff? This year prob not- no team deserved a chance.


But Houston could help.



MW teams need help to get from a good team being ranked 15 to a team getting into the top 4.


What if the mw had some really good football teams?

#1 Boise St
#8 UNLV

#4 San Diego St
#5 SMU


#2 sdsu
#7 Wyoming

#3 Houston
#6 BYU



Giving a team 3 games in a bracket like that could boost a team up there. If Boise is great and they Finnish with Utah st, San Jose and Fresno you don't get the benefit.

One of the conference will figure out that loading the last 3'rd or 4'th of a schedule with good games is the answer. The only way to do that is a conference playoff.

If the mw doesn't do a playoff first who will? Should the mw keep waiting and let other conference decide what they do? What if someone takes UNLV, New Mexico, and Hawaii?
 
AAC is a better situation for all the teams in it. No chance at poaching an AAC team. Frankly, they are quite a bit ahead of the MWC and look to be on an upward trajectory.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
AAC is a better situation for all the teams in it. No chance at poaching an AAC team. Frankly, they are quite a bit ahead of the MWC and look to be on an upward trajectory.
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That's not true


Maybe those AAC teams might not need want the MWC. But that doesn't mean they're happy where r they're at.


AAC is the next conference to fall. MWC teams could take advantage of that or maybe fall with them
 
National media market rankings

(6) San Fran/Oakland/San Jose
(17) Denver
(28) San Diego
(34) Salt Lake
(41) LV
(47) Albuquerque
(54) Fresno
(69) Honolulu
(89) Colorado Springs




All I'm proposing is adding
(2) LA
(5) Dallas
(10) Houston
(14) Seattle
(23) Portland
(50) Memphis
(51) New Orleans
(65) Wichita
(73) Spokane WA
(74) Omaha

Maybe Stl or Indianapolis 17 & 27



Laramie isn't in the top 100. It's prob 101 ish. You can want rice for its 5.5 billion dollar endowment or its tiny share of a top 10 market.


If there is expansion is look at these two things before endowment as #3

1- elite potential
2- market
3- endowment
 
Coeur d' Alene said:
National media market rankings

(6) San Fran/Oakland/San Jose
(17) Denver
(28) San Diego
(34) Salt Lake
(41) LV
(47) Albuquerque
(54) Fresno
(69) Honolulu
(89) Colorado Springs




All I'm proposing is adding
(2) LA
(5) Dallas
(10) Houston
(14) Seattle
(23) Portland
(50) Memphis
(51) New Orleans
(65) Wichita
(73) Spokane WA
(74) Omaha

Maybe Stl or Indianapolis 17 & 27



Laramie isn't in the top 100. It's prob 101 ish. You can want rice for its 5.5 billion dollar endowment or its tiny share of a top 10 market.


If there is expansion is look at these two things before endowment as #3

1- elite potential
2- market
3- endowment
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You're not accounting for market penetration. Most of the media markets you're listing don't give a shit about the teams you're proposing to add. I lived in Oregon for three years. People are not watching Portland State games. Just for example.
 
Just heard today that Wichita St is looking in to starting football again...
Not sure if they do it, but if they do, they already have a stadium that holds close to 30,000. It would need a makeover, but it would be big enough for them to draw a decent crowd. And we already know about their bball.

Wichita St to MWC in a few years???
 
kansasCowboy said:
Just heard today that Wichita St is looking in to starting football again...
Not sure if they do it, but if they do, they already have a stadium that holds close to 30,000. It would need a makeover, but it would be big enough for them to draw a decent crowd. And we already know about their bball.

Wichita St to MWC in a few years???
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I would love to see Wichita State move to the MWC. IT would be a huge get for basketball.
 
That makes more sense. I really didn't understand the motivation to even consider expansion at the moment. There is no point in doing anything until we see how CUSA TV negotiations and byu's negotiations go.

If those are greatly reduced, then that will indicate the TV dollars are going away. Not the best time to add more teams if so.

The main order of business is to discuss the unequal revenue distribution.
 
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