The University of Wyoming is funded by Wyoming residents for the benefit of Wyoming residents. Its mission should not be to serve the residents of Colorado.
This is very close minded thinking that has put Wyoming where it is now. "If you ain't from here...we don't want you" attitude is what has put the state in the state it's in (not in entirety), but that is the mindset of the wonderful residents of Wyoming. Either adapt and accept ideals that may possibly bring revenue into the state, or hold onto the antiquated mindset of whatever the fuck that is these days, and wither on the vine while the rest of the country passes you by.....
What?? Colorado UW alums are the 3rd largest contingent of Cowboy Joe members donors. The parking lot on game day is filled with Colorado plates and the stream of cars going to the game. Largest recruiting area for UW sports! Face reality. On any given day in Colorado cars have Steamboat on their back windows. If the Admin had any clue they would be focusing more on the Colorado alums for donations and backing--that effort is so minimal and closed minded. Missing the boat on revenues. I know that free office space was offered to help the program and the alum group which went with no response!
Exactly. Also, the tuition break for kids whose parents are alumni, is nice, but then being ineligible for other things minimizes the benefit. I know we've talked about it on here before, but creating a better program for alumnus' kids, regardless of where they live, is really low hanging fruit.
Ragtime, you just jogged something in my brain. I was a dorm director when I was there.... We had a ton of kids drop out after their first semester... They never intended to go to college, but the Hathaway scholarship made it super cheap for kids to come for a semester, spend time at the Buckhorn, and then go back to farming/or JUCO as they always intended. When kids were kicked out or dropped out of school, they lost their housing, and I got to have some really interesting conversations with them.
Yeah there's that growth mindset.
The right people are almost always the solution. The state, like the athletic department never learns that lesson. People are a recurring investment, that increase in expense over time. The fiscally conservative pissing match in the state legislature HATES that. But building buildings for example, that's "one time expense" that goes off the books. We'll do that all day long. F yeah.
It has nothing to do with not wanting "outsiders" at UW. The problem that I have with the way rich22 presented his idea is that it includes reduced tuition to Colorado residents. Reduced tuition really just means tuition that is subsidized by the State of Wyoming and it's tax payers.
You were not loyal to Wyoming , but a lot are.For how many decades have young people left to find work that actually provided a livelihood?
I left when my job in Wyoming paid me so muchI was barely able to provide for my little family. It wasn’t a tough decision at all to get another job in a different state. Moved over 1,000 miles away the morning after Dembo and company defeated Clemson to make it to the final 4 of the NIT.
Now I am old and have lived away from Wyoming longer than I lived there. I moved around pursuing opportunities and reaped the dividends of my skills. My old job in Wyoming never got to 1/2 of what I earned doing the same thing elsewhere. There is simply nothing in Wyoming to entice me to be a resident. The winters suck longer than most places that suck in the winter. I don’t mind visiting the state in the summer but the summer turns into Wyoming football which is more often than not a tough season to endure. Basketball used to be the buffer to alleviate the pain but got so bad for so long and with the AA remake it’s not a draw to attend in person. Maybe, just maybe there will once again be that game to circle on the calendar in late February.
Not trying to put Wyoming down as I am still proud to be a native. PAPoke has simply stated why things are the way they are.
I understand what you're saying. But reduced tuition doesn't mean the taxpayers of Wyoming are necessarily subsidizing anything unless it's less than the cost of attendance. If it costs the university $8K per student and Colorado students go to Wyoming for $18K instead of $22K that's lost revenue for sure (assuming the Colorado student would come anyway and pay full price) but it's not like the taxpayers are paying that $4K. That's still $10K ROI. Just to make the numbers easy, I don't know what It costs these days. I went to UW from out of state on reduced tuition from a partnership state (not CO) and paid 150% in state tuition. The taxpayers did not subsidize my attendance. But without it I would not have gone to UW. And I don't live in Wyoming (see jobs and growth conversation), but here I am and I would give my life for UW. It's an investment in different markets to drive attendance (revenue). I've easily donated that difference back to the school, and hopefully have another 50 years in me.
You are overlooking/missing the FIXED costs of the buildings that are already here, etc... More students are necessary regardless of whether or not the tuition may be reduced in order to REDUCE the burden on state funds. IF the University doesn't do something to attract more students, the University faces imminent threats of having to slash entire programs that are necessary to produce workforce for this state.
Ditto. I sent my kids to UW who were both Colorado HS graduates. Their husbands were from out of state but benefited from a parent who attended UW. I spent more money on the shit shows called Koenning, Glenn and Christensen along with Schroyer before I got disgusted with the programs and here’s why:
Be careful there. Wyoming wasn’t loyal to its residents. An MIS degree over 40 years ago was rarely offered a Wyoming job. If there was an opening the pay was barely above being a manager at Taco Johns because there wasn’t a demand for the product in Wyoming.
It certainly wasn't loyal to me a WY HS graduate and UW Graduate. I had to immediately move to CO to find a job because outside of oil and gas the state as a whole was anti growth. I have a BS and an MS in GIS with over 20+ years in the industry plus halfway to an LS and PhD in Geomatics and I would be hard pressed to find a job because all the boomers didn't want Wyoming turning into CO with all the growth.
I’m just saying a lot have chosen to not chase money and sacrifice to live here. I could leave too, but I love my home so I don’t. All I was saying. So it’s not good to trash talk this place and its people, either
That’s cool Lander. I didn’t leave to intentionally chase big money. I did get a better job in another state when I was eligible for food stamps and WIC in Wyoming putting on a shirt and tie to be a “professional” in a job that required a degree but paid extremely poor to “welfare” a family of 3 at the time. My dignity level was compromised even though I was sad to leave my home. I asked for a $2k raise to get off welfare and was told to pound sand. That shaped my mindset about the Wyoming economy and I never looked back.
New Mexico does it as a matter of course. My daughter went to UNM at in-state tuition rate just because she was a Colorado resident.
When people say things like "you are not loyal to Wyoming"...it's hard to read that as anything but an insult centered around an accusation of disloyalty. Maybe you don't hold any moral value to things like loyalty but a lot of people fee a bit insulted when somebody calls them disloyal.
UNM participates in the WUE program which offers reduced tuition to Colorado residents, but is typically not at in-state rates. Usually it is 150% of the in-state tuition.
