Question on D

[ragtimejoe1]

I thought two hallmarks of Tampa 2 were excellent D ends and cornerbacks jamming receivers to force them inside.

My internet feed isn't great, so for those who have watched the games, is it me or do not really jam at all?

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Hard to jam a receiver when you line up 15 yards off and begin back-pedaling before the ball is snapped.

 

[HR_Poke]

supposed to jam them then keep up with them until they leave your zone. Must not have speed at CB to be confident that they can jam then keep up.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

If you can't force them inside and can't get pressure from the front 4, the Tampa 2 is, well, what we've seen so far.

 

[HR_Poke]

We don't have the LB's to switch to a 3-4 though. The tampa 2 is supposed to be very simple and easy to run.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Yeah, I agree. I do think the 3-4 is a better base for the spread. I wasn't a real fan of the 4-3 when DC went to it and I'm not a big fan of this Tampa 2 D (essentially a modified cover 2 out of 4-3 base).

 

[fromolwyoming]

Yeah, I agree. I do think the 3-4 is a better base for the spread. I wasn't a real fan of the 4-3 when DC went to it and I'm not a big fan of this Tampa 2 D (essentially a modified cover 2 out of 4-3 base).

Because the 3-4 has worked so well for us? DC had that too, and it was just as bad as when it was the 4-3.

And Bohl's first class of players are only Sophomores or Redshirt Freshmen (aside from the occasional JUCO), it takes time to develop. And right now, we only have 1 d-linemen from DC's era that is actually producing.

 

[cali2wyo]

And right now, we only have 1 d-linemen from DC's era that is actually producing.

And zero from Bohl's recruits. Although, the long skinny Granderson looks promising. DC's recruits weren't that terrible compared to Bohl's. I mean if recruiting improved THAT much, I'd expect Brian Hill to not be the only "new guy" really standing out.

The question is, will bohl bring in significantly better players? Glenn continued to recruit division 2 kids as pointed out in another thread. We don't want NDSU recruits, we need boise state and P5 recruits.

 

[joshvanklomp]

And right now, we only have 1 d-linemen from DC's era that is actually producing.

And zero from Bohl's recruits. Although, the long skinny Granderson looks promising. DC's recruits weren't that terrible compared to Bohl's. I mean if recruiting improved THAT much, I'd expect Brian Hill to not be the only "new guy" really standing out.

The question is, will bohl bring in significantly better players? Glenn continued to recruit division 2 kids as pointed out in another thread. We don't want NDSU recruits, we need boise state and P5 recruits.

By the standards here, Brian Hill was a "Division 2 kid". Do we want more Brian Hills?

 

[BeaverPoke]

And right now, we only have 1 d-linemen from DC's era that is actually producing.

And zero from Bohl's recruits. Although, the long skinny Granderson looks promising. DC's recruits weren't that terrible compared to Bohl's. I mean if recruiting improved THAT much, I'd expect Brian Hill to not be the only "new guy" really standing out.

The question is, will bohl bring in significantly better players? Glenn continued to recruit division 2 kids as pointed out in another thread. We don't want NDSU recruits, we need boise state and P5 recruits.

By the standards here, Brian Hill was a "Division 2 kid". Do we want more Brian Hills?

Once again the damn exception not the fucking rule.

Figure it out. We lose to D2 teams because we have a bunch of D2 players.

 

[McPeachy]

And right now, we only have 1 d-linemen from DC's era that is actually producing.

And zero from Bohl's recruits. Although, the long skinny Granderson looks promising. DC's recruits weren't that terrible compared to Bohl's. I mean if recruiting improved THAT much, I'd expect Brian Hill to not be the only "new guy" really standing out.

The question is, will bohl bring in significantly better players? Glenn continued to recruit division 2 kids as pointed out in another thread. We don't want NDSU recruits, we need boise state and P5 recruits.

By the standards here, Brian Hill was a "Division 2 kid". Do we want more Brian Hills?

Brian is an exception, as many have stated already. Out of 25 annual scholarships, if you have 1 - 2 that make an impact each year, you are going to get your ass continually kicked. Ugh.

 

[cali2wyo]

And right now, we only have 1 d-linemen from DC's era that is actually producing.

And zero from Bohl's recruits. Although, the long skinny Granderson looks promising. DC's recruits weren't that terrible compared to Bohl's. I mean if recruiting improved THAT much, I'd expect Brian Hill to not be the only "new guy" really standing out.

The question is, will bohl bring in significantly better players? Glenn continued to recruit division 2 kids as pointed out in another thread. We don't want NDSU recruits, we need boise state and P5 recruits.

By the standards here, Brian Hill was a "Division 2 kid". Do we want more Brian Hills?

You're completely missing my point. In my opinion, NDSU of years past wouldn't be able to compete for championships in the Mountain west, meaning the roster would need to be significantly upgraded in order to be successful at a higher level. Do I want more Brian Hill's? That's a clown question bro, he wasn't even offered by NDSU so I don't see your point and frankly don't care. What I want (and what we need to be successful) is a LB or 2 that's actually the size of a linebacker, maybe throw in some dynamic receivers that are 6'6" and by far the fastest guys on the field, etc.

 

[joshvanklomp]

What I want (and what we need to be successful) is a LB or 2 that's actually the size of a linebacker, maybe throw in some dynamic receivers that are 6'6" and by far the fastest guys on the field, etc.

The linebackers will come.....hopefully.

The receivers? That's unrealistic, no matter what level of college football you're at. How many 6'6" receivers do you know who were the fastest player on their team?

 

[cali2wyo]

What I want (and what we need to be successful) is a LB or 2 that's actually the size of a linebacker, maybe throw in some dynamic receivers that are 6'6" and by far the fastest guys on the field, etc.

The linebackers will come.....hopefully.

The receivers? That's unrealistic, no matter what level of college football you're at. How many 6'6" receivers do you know who were the fastest player on their team?

It's more realistic than you seeing a post without feeling the need to come in and try to dissect every little thing and annoy everyone in the process.

Obviously. Dude. There's 11 guys on the field, typically 2-4 of them are down field trying to get open using their unique skill sets. I get it.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Brian is an exception, as many have stated already. Out of 25 annual scholarships, if you have 1 - 2 that make an impact each year, you are going to get your ass continually kicked. Ugh.

When you're a struggling program, you aren't going to get 15 major contributors in your first recruiting class. This is the case no matter where you're at.

So when you're somewhere like Wyoming with all of its recruiting disadvantages, that's the biggest reason why there needs to be time given for a coach to build. As long as there's growth, and the players are buying in, that's the key for a coach to continue building his program.

I'm sorry, I know everyone here expects guys like QB Ricky Town to be begging to come to Laramie, but that's not happening for a while. We'll struggle to get guys like Tevis Bartlett to come until we get the foundation laid, even if he's from the state. That's not Craig Bohl's fault. It's just reality.

 

[fromolwyoming]

What I want (and what we need to be successful) is a LB or 2 that's actually the size of a linebacker, maybe throw in some dynamic receivers that are 6'6" and by far the fastest guys on the field, etc.

The linebackers will come.....hopefully.

The receivers? That's unrealistic, no matter what level of college football you're at. How many 6'6" receivers do you know who were the fastest player on their team?

It's more realistic than you seeing a post without feeling the need to come in and try to dissect every little thing and annoy everyone in the process.

Obviously. Dude. There's 11 guys on the field, typically 2-4 of them are down field trying to get open using their unique skill sets. I get it.

Were you being sarcastic about the 6'6 receiver as the fastest guy? I hope so, because not even teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Oregon, or Michigan State have guys like that. Even Malcolm Floyd was only 6'4.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Obviously. Dude. There's 11 guys on the field, typically 2-4 of them are down field trying to get open using their unique skill sets. I get it.

I get it too, but I don't get what it has to do with your previous post. If you have unrealistic expectations as a fan of UW's recruiting, you're going to be disappointed. That's on you, not the coach.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Were you being sarcastic about the 6'6 receiver as the fastest guy? I hope so, because not even teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Oregon, or Michigan State have guys like that. Even Malcolm Floyd was only 6'4.

Thank you, that's all I was trying to understand as well.

 

[cali2wyo]

Obviously. Dude. There's 11 guys on the field, typically 2-4 of them are down field trying to get open using their unique skill sets. I get it.

I get it too, but I don't get what it has to do with your previous post. If you have unrealistic expectations as a fan of UW's recruiting, you're going to be disappointed. That's on you, not the coach.

Meant it as multiple guys to fill those roles. One tall guy. One fast guy. That seems pretty reasonable to me.

But why stop there? Maybe throw in a ugly, scary guy to handle the coin toss to scare the other team, too. Or a smart guy to keep the team GPA up. Or maybe a puppy to increase attendance. Are those unrealistic recruiting expectations?

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Yeah, I agree. I do think the 3-4 is a better base for the spread. I wasn't a real fan of the 4-3 when DC went to it and I'm not a big fan of this Tampa 2 D (essentially a modified cover 2 out of 4-3 base).

Because the 3-4 has worked so well for us? DC had that too, and it was just as bad as when it was the 4-3.

And Bohl's first class of players are only Sophomores or Redshirt Freshmen (aside from the occasional JUCO), it takes time to develop. And right now, we only have 1 d-linemen from DC's era that is actually producing.

Last good d we had was 3-4 but that is beside the point. I'm not a fan of the T2. It is a bend don't break philosophy and tries to make the offense use 15 or more plays per drive in hopes that someone will make a play or the o will make a mistake.

The spread exploits the softness of the T2 and is a fairly easy read for spread offenses. 15 plays of pitch and catch is pretty easy for many of these offenses when they don't have to make as many reads and have soft spots of 5-10 yards. Not only that, creative blitzes are almost nonexistent and it relies on excellent d ends that can generate pressure.

In the 3-4 you can send the 4th from anywhere. Granted finding a nose tackle for the 3-4 is a huge challenge, I think it might be easier than finding 2 rushing d ends. I also think that having 8 back allows more flexibility to give different looks to almost attack the spread. It can be a little weaker on the run, but I'd rather give a few
yards on the ground once in awhile than 6-8 at a time on the pass.

With that said, I do like Patterson's 4-2-5 with 2 deep. However, I think the concept is somewhat similar to the 3-4 in that he has 5 rangy defenders that are good stuffing the quick reads.

So, to answer your question, I've just never been a real fan of T2. It can be disastrous without a rushing line and some good jamming cb.