Porter Gustin

[BeaverPoke]

Can't land alumni kids or local recruits, we'll never make it to the next level

Dude... you realize that teams like LSU and Ohio State lost out on this recruit? Wyo? We lost him when he was in like 8th grade probably better than most of our LBs.

 

[McPeachy]

Can't land alumni kids or local recruits, we'll never make it to the next level

Dude... you realize that teams like LSU and Ohio State lost out on this recruit? Wyo? We lost him when he was in like 8th grade probably better than most of our LBs.

What a sad state of affairs. When did we decide to bow down and kiss everyone's ass that is in a P5 conference, or has a budget 10x ours? That is a loser mentality. That is apathy. And...that is accepting mediocrity.

I certainly think that just because we are lowly WYO - we should never stop looking for the kid that wants to forever cement his name in the books for the Pokes. I get the fact that we can't usually ever compete with the USC's of the world when recruiting, but why not keep trying and working at it. You just never know.

 

[J-Rod]

What a sad state of affairs. When did we decide to bow down and kiss everyone's ass that is in a P5 conference, or has a budget 10x ours? That is a loser mentality. That is apathy. And...that is accepting mediocrity.

I certainly think that just because we are lowly WYO - we should never stop looking for the kid that wants to forever cement his name in the books for the Pokes. I get the fact that we can't usually ever compete with the USC's of the world when recruiting, but why not keep trying and working at it. You just never know.

This. Signing day is tomorrow. SDSU will have two 4-star recruits who have their hat on the table. Boise State will also have two. Even Hawaii will have one. Boise State already has the 2nd highest-rated recruit in MW history this class. Fresno landed a stud QB with a ridiculous offer list as well. Imagine if any of those schools had this attitude? There is nothing wrong with aiming high. Justice Murphy got screwed by Utah, but go check his offer list before those school's classes filled up. It can be done.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Can't land alumni kids or local recruits, we'll never make it to the next level

Dude... you realize that teams like LSU and Ohio State lost out on this recruit? Wyo? We lost him when he was in like 8th grade probably better than most of our LBs.

What a sad state of affairs. When did we decide to bow down and kiss everyone's ass that is in a P5 conference, or has a budget 10x ours? That is a loser mentality. That is apathy. And...that is accepting mediocrity.

I certainly think that just because we are lowly WYO - we should never stop looking for the kid that wants to forever cement his name in the books for the Pokes. I get the fact that we can't usually ever compete with the USC's of the world when recruiting, but why not keep trying and working at it. You just never know.

I think we should aim high, but let's not get caught up on this kid is all. Let's not waste time and energy on something we can not get. Because in the end, let's say we get Porter, but at what cost? To get Porter we would have to go "all-in" a hundred times over. Meaning we lose focus on other recruits. Porter, a 5 star LB would be AMAZING in the MWC. But who would be the other LBs next to him? We would have missed out on so many 3 star kids and end up with local kids that weigh 170 pounds trying to play next to Porter.

Let's accept our losses and move on.

And no it's not apathy. You think Urban Meyer or Les Miles are too bummed about this? You know they wanted him. But they also know when to move on. He is a USC guy now. That's the Pac12s problem now. Not Wyomings. Not Ohio State's. Not LSU's.

We can get a 5 star, or some 4 stars. But we don't have what Boise or even Hawaii have to offer. Boise has a history of winning. Hawaii has a big cultural draw. Fresno has a history of winning and having QBs as well.

Let's beat the shit out of these shit schools on our schedule next year. Let's go into Pullman and establish ourselves in the PNW and beat Wazzu. Let's win first then we can be based in reality when we offer Porter Gustin.

We have got to have something to offer to these recruits.
Look at the article on ESPN about negative recruiting.

Sure we can talk about how we are going to turn this shit program around and we have Craig Bohl. That's all good and all, until you talk to the coach of another team. They will tell you that Wyo has won 2 bowl games since 1967. They will tell you that Wyo's defense has been torched for the last 6 seasons. They will tell you that getting 25K to a game is a big game. They will tell you anything you could ever possibly want to hear about why Wyoming is not where you should go.

If we want to go after the best, let's become the best.
Let's win a bowl game next season. Then let's do the near impossible... and win BACK to BACK bowl games!
Let's recruit based in reality so we aren't wasting time and missing out.

Bohl can definitely win. But he has got to be smart about who he is recruiting. Let's start getting 3 stars and kids with other offers from REAL D1 schools. We get these kids, then we can win some more bowl games. We do that then we can even feel good about ourselves when we are trying to get the next Taven Bryan or Tevis Bartlett, or Porter Gustin.

I want Wyo football to be where Boise is, but I am not going to even be fooled into thinking we can go from what we have been to competing with LSU, Ohio State, and USC overnight.

 

[cowboyz]

If the guys that show as committed stick, we have players that picked Wyo, even though the have offers from TCU, Oregon State, Boise, Georgia Tech, Washington State, Utah and we have a 1st team Parade All-American. It looks like we are competing a lot better than in recent years.

 

[J-Rod]

If the guys that show as committed stick, we have players that picked Wyo, even though the have offers from TCU, Oregon State, Boise, Georgia Tech, Washington State, Utah and we have a 1st team Parade All-American. It looks like we are competing a lot better than in recent years.

Not all of those offers are legitimate full offers.

 

[cowboyz]

If the guys that show as committed stick, we have players that picked Wyo, even though the have offers from TCU, Oregon State, Boise, Georgia Tech, Washington State, Utah and we have a 1st team Parade All-American. It looks like we are competing a lot better than in recent years.

Not all of those offers are legitimate full offers.

These are all "checked" offers from Rivals, so how are they not legitimate? Not trying to be funny, but I thought that was the point of the Rivals site, for players to get ranked, show interest and confirm offers and commitments.

 

[JimmyDimes]

If the guys that show as committed stick, we have players that picked Wyo, even though the have offers from TCU, Oregon State, Boise, Georgia Tech, Washington State, Utah and we have a 1st team Parade All-American. It looks like we are competing a lot better than in recent years.

Not all of those offers are legitimate full offers.

These are all "checked" offers from Rivals, so how are they not legitimate? Not trying to be funny, but I thought that was the point of the Rivals site, for players to get ranked, show interest and confirm offers and commitments.

247Sports too.

 

[J-Rod]

These are all "checked" offers from Rivals, so how are they not legitimate? Not trying to be funny, but I thought that was the point of the Rivals site, for players to get ranked, show interest and confirm offers and commitments.

And Justice Murphy still has checks next to Oregon State and Washington State when it's been confirmed he doesn't have those offers anymore. Kids claim offers they don't have all the time. Coaches can't offer a rebuttal because of NCAA rules.

For example...

Last night, UNLV decommit Nela Otukolo claimed to be choosing between Fresno State and Boise State. He claimed to have an "offer" from both. Rivals confirmed (paid content) that he did not have a Boise offer, the Broncos filled up their spots at LB. That didn't stop Otukolo from claiming he chose Fresno "over" Boise last night. We're dealing with 17-18 year old commits. I don't mean to be blunt, I'm just saying if it looks fishy, it's probably because it is. These kids lie about what they have all the time.

I just read about a Long Beach kid that I'll keep anonymous who is STILL claiming he has a UCLA offer, when everyone knows the Bruins are down to elite prospects making decisions on LOI day and nothing else. They don't have room for average recruits. But he's still claiming it, even though it dried up. It still appears as a check on recruiting websites too.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Im pretty sure Baber had an offer from Oregon State when Riley was the coach. And Andersen did not honor it when he got to Corvallis. And the Beavers only went after 1 wr this class as he was a 4 star but the beavs have a full class of redshirt freshmen that will be freshmen in 2015 so there hasn't been much wr recruiting since Andersen took over. Still though. These kids were good enough to get Riley offers.

 

[BJC]

Can't land alumni kids or local recruits, we'll never make it to the next level

Dude... you realize that teams like LSU and Ohio State lost out on this recruit? Wyo? We lost him when he was in like 8th grade probably better than most of our LBs.

What a sad state of affairs. When did we decide to bow down and kiss everyone's ass that is in a P5 conference, or has a budget 10x ours? That is a loser mentality. That is apathy. And...that is accepting mediocrity.

I certainly think that just because we are lowly WYO - we should never stop looking for the kid that wants to forever cement his name in the books for the Pokes. I get the fact that we can't usually ever compete with the USC's of the world when recruiting, but why not keep trying and working at it. You just never know.

I think we should aim high, but let's not get caught up on this kid is all. Let's not waste time and energy on something we can not get. Because in the end, let's say we get Porter, but at what cost? To get Porter we would have to go "all-in" a hundred times over. Meaning we lose focus on other recruits. Porter, a 5 star LB would be AMAZING in the MWC. But who would be the other LBs next to him? We would have missed out on so many 3 star kids and end up with local kids that weigh 170 pounds trying to play next to Porter.

Let's accept our losses and move on.

And no it's not apathy. You think Urban Meyer or Les Miles are too bummed about this? You know they wanted him. But they also know when to move on. He is a USC guy now. That's the Pac12s problem now. Not Wyomings. Not Ohio State's. Not LSU's.

We can get a 5 star, or some 4 stars. But we don't have what Boise or even Hawaii have to offer. Boise has a history of winning. Hawaii has a big cultural draw. Fresno has a history of winning and having QBs as well.

Let's beat the shit out of these shit schools on our schedule next year. Let's go into Pullman and establish ourselves in the PNW and beat Wazzu. Let's win first then we can be based in reality when we offer Porter Gustin.

We have got to have something to offer to these recruits.
Look at the article on ESPN about negative recruiting.

Sure we can talk about how we are going to turn this shit program around and we have Craig Bohl. That's all good and all, until you talk to the coach of another team. They will tell you that Wyo has won 2 bowl games since 1967. They will tell you that Wyo's defense has been torched for the last 6 seasons. They will tell you that getting 25K to a game is a big game. They will tell you anything you could ever possibly want to hear about why Wyoming is not where you should go.

If we want to go after the best, let's become the best.
Let's win a bowl game next season. Then let's do the near impossible... and win BACK to BACK bowl games!
Let's recruit based in reality so we aren't wasting time and missing out.

Bohl can definitely win. But he has got to be smart about who he is recruiting. Let's start getting 3 stars and kids with other offers from REAL D1 schools. We get these kids, then we can win some more bowl games. We do that then we can even feel good about ourselves when we are trying to get the next Taven Bryan or Tevis Bartlett, or Porter Gustin.

I want Wyo football to be where Boise is, but I am not going to even be fooled into thinking we can go from what we have been to competing with LSU, Ohio State, and USC overnight.

:thumb:

 

[joshvanklomp]

Why does it really matter who we're getting recruits over? It has little bearing on how good a player will become. It's what the coaches do with them once they are here that makes the difference.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Why does it really matter who we're getting recruits over? It has little bearing on how good a player will become. It's what the coaches do with them once they are here that makes the difference.

Has little bearing? Bullshit.

I guarantee that if you take an AVERAGE typical Wyoming High School player at LB and put him under Bohl for 5 years (redshirt, then 4 years of eligibility) he would not be as good as a 3 star kid with offers from UTEP, Texas Tech, Tulsa, and New Mexico under Dave Christensen after 5 years.

Sure, if you take the same kid you know Bohl will develop him a hell of a lot better than Christensen.

But to think it has little bearing of where they come from, who was offering him, how good he is in high school etc. is foolish.

Do diamonds in the rough exist? Yes.
Are there large amounts of high schools that unfairly NEVER get any athletes recruited? Yes.

But there is some or a lot of validity to certain places never being recruited, and a validity to what other schools are interested in.

Who would have a better record after 5 years, Craig Bohl with kids from the Wyoming Shrine Bowl for 5 straight seasons, or Dave Christensen with kids from the Texas All-State team for 5 straight seasons?

 

[fromolwyoming]

Honestly Beav, that scenario may not be a very good one, since DC NEVER developed the players himself. And if they could not immediately contribute, they were ignored MORE. For example, under DC, we had some incredibly TERRIBLE o-lines. Bohl came in, and with largely the same players, we saw them become considerably better in all aspects.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Honestly Beav, that scenario may not be a very good one, since DC NEVER developed the players himself. And if they could not immediately contribute, they were ignored MORE. For example, under DC, we had some incredibly TERRIBLE o-lines. Bohl came in, and with largely the same players, we saw them become considerably better in all aspects.

Doesn't matter, a Texas All-State Christensen team in the MWC would do a hell of a lot better than a Wyo shrine bowl team coached by Bohl in the MWC.

I know Bohl is the better developer.

But I also know that who you are getting to come play for you also matters.

Bohls shrine bowl team would be significantly better that 5th year than they were year 1, while DCs Texas All-Star team might only be slightly better than they were year 1, but DCs Texas All-Star team would still be better than Bohl's shrine bowl team.

 

[fromolwyoming]

Honestly Beav, that scenario may not be a very good one, since DC NEVER developed the players himself. And if they could not immediately contribute, they were ignored MORE. For example, under DC, we had some incredibly TERRIBLE o-lines. Bohl came in, and with largely the same players, we saw them become considerably better in all aspects.

Doesn't matter, a Texas All-State Christensen team in the MWC would do a hell of a lot better than a Wyo shrine bowl team coached by Bohl in the MWC.

I know Bohl is the better developer.

But I also know that who you are getting to come play for you also matters.

Bohls shrine bowl team would be significantly better that 5th year than they were year 1, while DCs Texas All-Star team might only be slightly better than they were year 1, but DCs Texas All-Star team would still be better than Bohl's shrine bowl team.

DC's team would look promising the first couple of games, and then defensive coordinators would realize he doesn't make adjustments and would shut them down. And since the players are never developed once here, they would be outpaced by teams that are developed. We learned that the hard way against teams like freaking UTSA where our o-line was pushed back constantly.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Honestly Beav, that scenario may not be a very good one, since DC NEVER developed the players himself. And if they could not immediately contribute, they were ignored MORE. For example, under DC, we had some incredibly TERRIBLE o-lines. Bohl came in, and with largely the same players, we saw them become considerably better in all aspects.

Doesn't matter, a Texas All-State Christensen team in the MWC would do a hell of a lot better than a Wyo shrine bowl team coached by Bohl in the MWC.

I know Bohl is the better developer.

But I also know that who you are getting to come play for you also matters.

Bohls shrine bowl team would be significantly better that 5th year than they were year 1, while DCs Texas All-Star team might only be slightly better than they were year 1, but DCs Texas All-Star team would still be better than Bohl's shrine bowl team.

DC's team would look promising the first couple of games, and then defensive coordinators would realize he doesn't make adjustments and would shut them down. And since the players are never developed once here, they would be outpaced by teams that are developed. We learned that the hard way against teams like freaking UTSA where our o-line was pushed back constantly.

Yet they would still be better than the Shrine Bowl team. Vince Lombardi and Nick Saban could try their hardest with no talent and still lose.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Why does it really matter who we're getting recruits over? It has little bearing on how good a player will become. It's what the coaches do with them once they are here that makes the difference.

Has little bearing? Bullshit.

I guarantee that if you take an AVERAGE typical Wyoming High School player at LB and put him under Bohl for 5 years (redshirt, then 4 years of eligibility) he would not be as good as a 3 star kid with offers from UTEP, Texas Tech, Tulsa, and New Mexico under Dave Christensen after 5 years.

Sure, if you take the same kid you know Bohl will develop him a hell of a lot better than Christensen.

But to think it has little bearing of where they come from, who was offering him, how good he is in high school etc. is foolish.

Do diamonds in the rough exist? Yes.
Are there large amounts of high schools that unfairly NEVER get any athletes recruited? Yes.

But there is some or a lot of validity to certain places never being recruited, and a validity to what other schools are interested in.

Who would have a better record after 5 years, Craig Bohl with kids from the Wyoming Shrine Bowl for 5 straight seasons, or Dave Christensen with kids from the Texas All-State team for 5 straight seasons?

Who was Brett Smith, arguably the best player in recent Wyoming football history, choosing between?

 

[BeaverPoke]

Why does it really matter who we're getting recruits over? It has little bearing on how good a player will become. It's what the coaches do with them once they are here that makes the difference.

Has little bearing? Bullshit.

I guarantee that if you take an AVERAGE typical Wyoming High School player at LB and put him under Bohl for 5 years (redshirt, then 4 years of eligibility) he would not be as good as a 3 star kid with offers from UTEP, Texas Tech, Tulsa, and New Mexico under Dave Christensen after 5 years.

Sure, if you take the same kid you know Bohl will develop him a hell of a lot better than Christensen.

But to think it has little bearing of where they come from, who was offering him, how good he is in high school etc. is foolish.

Do diamonds in the rough exist? Yes.
Are there large amounts of high schools that unfairly NEVER get any athletes recruited? Yes.

But there is some or a lot of validity to certain places never being recruited, and a validity to what other schools are interested in.

Who would have a better record after 5 years, Craig Bohl with kids from the Wyoming Shrine Bowl for 5 straight seasons, or Dave Christensen with kids from the Texas All-State team for 5 straight seasons?

Who was Brett Smith, arguably the best player in recent Wyoming football history, choosing between?

Like I said earlier... diamond in the rough.

As exciting as Brett Smith was, as much as he left EVERYTHING out on the field, as much as he exemplified COWBOY TOUGH, Brett Smith never won a bowl game. Brett Smith had a losing record.

 

[McPeachy]

Just an FYI...and some additional thoughts.

First, I think we need to think (act, walk, talk, etc.) like a winner, to be a winner. Settling on a recruit is settling. By the way, I don't think Bohl & staff are the kind to just settle...but realize it is going to take time to land the top-end recruits that BSU, FSU, and "cough" SJSU are. Jesus that makes me sick.

6 out of 10 of the ESPN top 100 recruits were undecided this morning at 6am. Almost that same percentage of the top 100 were undecided this morning at 6am.

All it takes is one Porter Gustin to build around...