Pokes vs Falcons

[FarmerPoke]

Worst game I've seen this year and there have been many frustrating ones. Looked like the coaches and team didn't care about even being there.

To be fair I saw good effort in the second half. Poor fundamentals, but good effort.

2nd half effort was a little better, particularly once Adams came into the game, but as we know, wayyy wayyyy waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too late to matter.

 

[FarmerPoke]

One last thing, I expect defections, a lot, no way guys are going to stay with this crappy performance. So disappointing and to many juniors and sophomores that will look for greener pastures. Coach E better get his lipstick ready, because he is going to have to kiss a lot of ass to keep the players involved in this program. F F F F F and yes I would take a CBI just to show up and play f n better.

If I was Adams I would be gone as soon as I got back to Laramie. I would also think about leaving if I was JJ. Edwards absolutely shit on those two players all damn year.

 

[stymeman]

I can bet, we'll be better off "BY THE END OF THE DAY" shut up Edwards

 

[LanderPoke]

Worst game I've seen this year and there have been many frustrating ones. Looked like the coaches and team didn't care about even being there.

To be fair I saw good effort in the second half. Poor fundamentals, but good effort.

We watched two different games I guess.

I saw dudes getting after it, hitting the floor and diving. I'm not going to question the effort but I'll slay Edwards' decision to play crappy players and let us shoot threes endlessly and not crash the O boards and not have any semblance of an offense. It's 90% on the coach

 

[bladerunnr]

One last thing, I expect defections, a lot, no way guys are going to stay with this crappy performance. So disappointing and to many juniors and sophomores that will look for greener pastures. Coach E better get his lipstick ready, because he is going to have to kiss a lot of ass to keep the players involved in this program. F F F F F and yes I would take a CBI just to show up and play f n better.

A game like this doesn't happen in a vacuum. I'm guessing there are players on this team who don't like or respect the coaching staff and when things go south, a collapse like today is not a surprise. They played like they wanted the season to end. Maybe if everything went our way - shots were falling and air force basically went through the motions like a 4-14 conference team might, then the effort would have been better. But this is a team who all look to get their shots - assists and offensive rebounds are rare, and letting the other team drive into the lane is a very common occurrence. So when the shots don't fall, they have no other way to stay in the game.

 

[Subcanis]

Can Burman force the firing of an assistant and hire Joe Scott as an assistant/real coach? He's an assistant at Holy Cross right now. His ability to coach with Edwards ability to recruit might actually lead to some success.

Please God, no.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Streaky shooting and turnover is what plagued this team all season, and it's exactly what I saw that got us in that 25-0 hole.

I know this has been an unpopular opinion around these parts but Dalton and James are not without blame. I know they are our best scoring options and the only two who could score tonight (51% of team points) but they also represented 65% of the team's turnovers.

Frankly, I don't think this team was that talented. I'm just hoping our Class of '17 recruits don't get turned off by how we closed the season and decide to go elsewhere. We need an injection of talent badly. I'm more worried about those guys defecting than guys who were on this roster.

 

[DVDA]

Can Burman force the firing of an assistant and hire Joe Scott as an assistant/real coach? He's an assistant at Holy Cross right now. His ability to coach with Edwards ability to recruit might actually lead to some success.

Please God, no.

That's a thoughtful response there.

 

[Subcanis]

Can Burman force the firing of an assistant and hire Joe Scott as an assistant/real coach? He's an assistant at Holy Cross right now. His ability to coach with Edwards ability to recruit might actually lead to some success.

Please God, no.

That's a thoughtful response there.

Lol. I get the thought process. I just hate watching the Princeton offense. Even when AFA and DU were good they were hard to watch.

 

[FarmerPoke]

Streaky shooting and turnover is what plagued this team all season, and it's exactly what I saw that got us in that 25-0 hole.

I know this has been an unpopular opinion around these parts but Dalton and James are not without blame. I know they are our best scoring options and the only two who could score tonight (51% of team points) but they also represented 65% of the team's turnovers.

Frankly, I don't think this team was that talented. I'm just hoping our Class of '17 recruits don't get turned off by how we closed the season and decide to go elsewhere. We need an injection of talent badly. I'm more worried about those guys defecting than guys who were on this roster.

I can't disagree with you, although more of what got us in that giant hole is Edwards not having the team ready to play, along with insisting on playing players who would struggle to get playing time in a rec league.

Yes Dalton and James are to blame for being unable to control the basketball, but players are a reflection of their coach, and Edwards apparently can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.

I also am worried about defections from some of the incoming players. I also agree with you, that in general, this team was not that talented, but as the dead horse has been beat, it makes it that much tougher when your head coach refuses to play the talent that he does have.

 

[bladerunnr]

Streaky shooting and turnover is what plagued this team all season, and it's exactly what I saw that got us in that 25-0 hole.

I know this has been an unpopular opinion around these parts but Dalton and James are not without blame. I know they are our best scoring options and the only two who could score tonight (51% of team points) but they also represented 65% of the team's turnovers.

Frankly, I don't think this team was that talented. I'm just hoping our Class of '17 recruits don't get turned off by how we closed the season and decide to go elsewhere. We need an injection of talent badly. I'm more worried about those guys defecting than guys who were on this roster.

Let me clue you in: The players who are trying to make plays are going to have the most turnovers. The guy passing the ball around the perimeter may not have many turnovers. If James and Dalton get the ball with the shot clock running down and they have to do something, then turnovers are a real possibility.

And yes, this team is not that talented. But they underachieved. There was no improvement as the season went on. The same mistakes and lack of effort on the boards never changed. Talent has to be coached. I don't believe this staff is capable of getting players to play like a team. Players need to learn their roles and play within themselves. No evidence this staff can get that to happen.

 

[davidwyo]

It doesn't matter at this point, our season ended prematurely and I'm just not sure Wyoming Basketball is in good hands. Shyatt (with all of his faults) stuck to certain players and held everyone accountable. Christ, he would yank a player after one turnover and Edwards has no discipline with this team as he will leave them in with forced missed shots, turnovers, no hustle etc...the fish rots from the head down and Wyoming Basketball is in a sad state. Just sucks and why I'm I so emotionally involved when it doesn't make me any money? because I f n care, but on to football, unless we get a CBI invite, which as sad as it is, I would take just to salvage this horrible season. We could win the CBI and be respected again.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Let me clue you in: The players who are trying to make plays are going to have the most turnovers. The guy passing the ball around the perimeter may not have many turnovers. If James and Dalton get the ball with the shot clock running down and they have to do something, then turnovers are a real possibility.

And yes, this team is not that talented. But they underachieved. There was no improvement as the season went on. The same mistakes and lack of effort on the boards never changed. Talent has to be coached. I don't believe this staff is capable of getting players to play like a team. Players need to learn their roles and play within themselves. No evidence this staff can get that to happen.

Six or more turnovers is unacceptable, no matter how many plays a player is trying to make.

And I've soured on Edwards considerably since the start of the season, but I'm willing to give him a chance considering what he had to work with. I'm not saying we'll make a similar turnaround, but the talent influx we should be getting reminds me of the influx Minnesota had this year. They went from 8-23 to 23-8 in one year. Pitino didn't suddenly learn how to coach. He didn't overhaul the systems he runs. He just got better talent on the floor. Four of players in the 8-man rotation didn't play a season ago, including three starters. I see a similar jolt to the roster next year for the Cowboys with Mack, Maldonado, Redding and Jones.

 

[FarmerPoke]

I can bet, we'll be better off "BY THE END OF THE DAY" shut up Edwards

Lol you called it, listened to the postgame interview Dave and Kevin did, and literally all the interview was was the 3 of them praising how well air force played, and will or won't we make a postseason tournament. Who the hell cares about the damn CBI or CIT or whatever the hell they are?!?

The little that Edwards did talk about the Pokes performance, there was zero acceptance of any blame of his own accord, but like normal, Dave and Kevin steered any conversation of anything that's not sunshine and roses away from said subject.

As they conclude the broadcast Dave and Kevin essentially continuing to pump sunshine....... "We were picked 10th and finished 7th!!!!" and "Pokes finished with a better record than last year and better conference record, and improvement is all you really want to see" etc. etc. etc. etc.

Attitudes like that is exactly why Wyoming athletics continues to wallow in mediocrity. It's an ffffing disease. Keep pumping the sunshine tho guys!!

 

[FarmerPoke]

Let me clue you in: The players who are trying to make plays are going to have the most turnovers. The guy passing the ball around the perimeter may not have many turnovers. If James and Dalton get the ball with the shot clock running down and they have to do something, then turnovers are a real possibility.

And yes, this team is not that talented. But they underachieved. There was no improvement as the season went on. The same mistakes and lack of effort on the boards never changed. Talent has to be coached. I don't believe this staff is capable of getting players to play like a team. Players need to learn their roles and play within themselves. No evidence this staff can get that to happen.

Six or more turnovers is unacceptable, no matter how many plays a player is trying to make.

And I've soured on Edwards considerably since the start of the season, but I'm willing to give him a chance considering what he had to work with. I'm not saying we'll make a similar turnaround, but the talent influx we should be getting reminds me of the influx Minnesota had this year. They went from 8-23 to 23-8 in one year. Pitino didn't suddenly learn how to coach. He didn't overhaul the systems he runs. He just got better talent on the floor. Four of players in the 8-man rotation didn't play a season ago, including three starters. I see a similar jolt to the roster next year for the Cowboys with Mack, Maldonado, Redding and Jones.

I truly hope you're right, but everything that I saw from Edwards this year firmly leads me to believe that next year's starting 5 will likely be JJ, Herndon, Dalton, Lieberman, and Aka Gorski. If Adams is still with the team, he and Kelley along with whatever minutes can be scraped along for Naughton, Moemeka, and Barnes. Thats 10 players. Truly truly hope I'm wrong, but if Edwards continues his current run of insanity, our "influx" of talent won't see the floor for meaningful minutes til 2018-2019 or even 2019-2020. Hopefully Edwards is long gone by then.

 

[davidwyo]

Nevada won the CBI last year and is ranked #1 in the MW Tourney, so lets start with the consolation prize and then earn our #1 bid next year. Pray that the CBI gives us a chance.

 

[CowboyNV]

Nevada won the CBI last year and is ranked #1 in the MW Tourney, so lets start with the consolation prize and then earn our #1 bid next year. Pray that the CBI gives us a chance.

If the Pokes want to host a game in the CBI, they have to pay $50,000 for the opportunity to have another shitty team come and play in the AA in front of 2,000 screaming Wyoming fans. Maybe Wyoming will luck out and get that much sought after CIT invite and not have to pay the $50 grand.... :rofl:

 

[OrediggerPoke]

The CBI would be the worst result and a waste of money I think. Maybe the Pokes can get a do over with an invite to the Las Vegas Tournament.

Air Force didn't win a conference game away from Clune Arena all year...until today.

 

[LanderPoke]

I'd gladly take a CBI or CIT. This foul taste needs to be washed out. Can't let it fester for 7 months. ugh

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I'd gladly take a CBI or CIT. This foul taste needs to be washed out. Can't let it fester for 7 months. ugh

Getting beat by an even more inferior team will resonate better with you until next fall?