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Phil Steele's MW pre-season teams are out

MrTitleist

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Not much UW love on there.. but this definitely shows that the MW QB race is going to be deep this year. Brett is tied with Keeton on the 4th team.
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WAY too much SJSU love......one good year in an extremely watered-down conference does not make one a contender, or a team with that many all-conference players.

I bought my SportingNews magazine yesterday.....they noted that no team in the MWC is in for a rude awakening quite like the Spartans are.....they have them missing a bowl game altogether. I have to agree. Both newcomers to the conference will be downward trending this fall.

Then again, it is Phil Steele......the man who had UCF is in a BCS bowl game last summer.....lol
 
Magazine Guru my ass.
Having B-Smith tied for the 4th best QB is dumb as hell.
And only 1 WR on the list. Herron 2nd team.

What a joke.
 
Phil Steele always seems to get it more right than the others, so maybe with all of the new teams and having to guess how it'll all mash together, they probably missed a lot. I too don't get how Brett is so low. I feel, numbers wise, he'll be better than all other QBs in the MWC. Steele's reviewers are probably just looking at a 4-8 team, with three of those wins by less than a TD, and a very untested O-line, and think they're being generous to Wyoming. Sometimes I feel this year could be upwards to 9 wins and other times I'm worried we'll be in 12 shoot-outs, where we get out-gunned more times than not. For the betting guys out there, does Vegas run odds on individual conferences, and when do they release them? It'll be interesting to see that data.
 
J-Rod said:
WAY too much SJSU love......one good year in an extremely watered-down conference does not make one a contender, or a team with that many all-conference players.

I bought my SportingNews magazine yesterday.....they noted that no team in the MWC is in for a rude awakening quite like the Spartans are.....they have them missing a bowl game altogether. I have to agree. Both newcomers to the conference will be downward trending this fall.

Then again, it is Phil Steele......the man who had UCF is in a BCS bowl game last summer.....lol
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I have to disagree with you. San Jose State is a legitimate threat to challenge for the conference crown this season. The WAC may have been a weak conference last season, but SJSU marched right through that conference without really much of a challenge from any team, save for Utah State. Their only other loss came to eventual Rose Bowl champion Stanford, and they gave them everything they could handle before losing 20-17. Also, don't forget that they played two MWC teams last season, handling CSU easily and beating SDSU (the MWC co-champion) in San Diego. David Fales and Noel Grigsby are going to be a nearly unstoppable combination.

It's kind of funny how many thought we would be so much more competitive in a conference without the big time spenders like TCU, BYU, and Utah. Instead, the WAC teams have come in and dominated the league and kept the lower tier MWC charter schools in the lower half of the league. I mean, the only MWC charter school left to have any sort of success recently has been SDSU. From an objective view point, I see 5 of the top 6 teams in the MWC next season being relatively new WAC teams (Fresno St, SJSU, Boise St, Utah St, Nevada) with the only charter school making my top 6 being SDSU. That reality pisses me off a little bit, but it is what it is.
 
TheRealUW said:
J-Rod said:
WAY too much SJSU love......one good year in an extremely watered-down conference does not make one a contender, or a team with that many all-conference players.

I bought my SportingNews magazine yesterday.....they noted that no team in the MWC is in for a rude awakening quite like the Spartans are.....they have them missing a bowl game altogether. I have to agree. Both newcomers to the conference will be downward trending this fall.

Then again, it is Phil Steele......the man who had UCF is in a BCS bowl game last summer.....lol
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I have to disagree with you. San Jose State is a legitimate threat to challenge for the conference crown this season. The WAC may have been a weak conference last season, but SJSU marched right through that conference without really much of a challenge from any team, save for Utah State. Their only other loss came to eventual Rose Bowl champion Stanford, and they gave them everything they could handle before losing 20-17. Also, don't forget that they played two MWC teams last season, handling CSU easily and beating SDSU (the MWC co-champion) in San Diego. David Fales and Noel Grigsby are going to be a nearly unstoppable combination.

It's kind of funny how many thought we would be so much more competitive in a conference without the big time spenders like TCU, BYU, and Utah. Instead, the WAC teams have come in and dominated the league and kept the lower tier MWC charter schools in the lower half of the league. I mean, the only MWC charter school left to have any sort of success recently has been SDSU. From an objective view point, I see 5 of the top 6 teams in the MWC next season being relatively new WAC teams (Fresno St, SJSU, Boise St, Utah St, Nevada) with the only charter school making my top 6 being SDSU. That reality pisses me off a little bit, but it is what it is.
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Let's not forget both USU and SJSU lost their head coaches. That will set them back.
 
fromolwyoming said:
Let's not forget both USU and SJSU lost their head coaches. That will set them back.
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You may be right, but the set back will come 2-3 years from now. Given that both teams didn't lose any core players to attrition as a result of the coaching changes, there won't be as large a drop off in year one as some of you are predicting. Both SJSU and USU have solid players in place, and that will ease the transition to a new head coach. I see little, if any, reason to believe either of these teams will be significantly worse than last year. I believe both will finish within the top 5 of the conference, and both are legitimate contenders to win the conference championship.
 
TheRealUW said:
fromolwyoming said:
Let's not forget both USU and SJSU lost their head coaches. That will set them back.
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You may be right, but the set back will come 2-3 years from now. Given that both teams didn't lose any core players to attrition as a result of the coaching changes, there won't be as large a drop off in year one as some of you are predicting. Both SJSU and USU have solid players in place, and that will ease the transition to a new head coach. I see little, if any, reason to believe either of these teams will be significantly worse than last year. I believe both will finish within the top 5 of the conference, and both are legitimate contenders to win the conference championship.
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Maybe. They could either do really well, or pull a Southern Miss with their new coaches. Remember, Southern Miss had a ton of starters returning after a 10 win top 25 season, and then they went 0-12.
 
fromolwyoming said:
Maybe. They could either do really well, or pull a Southern Miss with their new coaches. Remember, Southern Miss had a ton of starters returning after a 10 win top 25 season, and then they went 0-12.
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This. Never underestimate what a coaching change can do to hurt a program. ESPECIALLY if that program has no history of consistency......right now, what is the difference between 2012 USU and SJSU seasons and Wyoming's 2011 season? Nothing....one year does not make the rule, instead it is the exception. One season is not a trend. USU and SJSU are definitely downward trending. I think at the end of 2013, Wyoming will be ahead of USU in the Mountain Division standings.
 
J-Rod said:
right now, what is the difference between 2012 USU and SJSU seasons and Wyoming's 2011 season?
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Huge difference. If you look at the F/+ advanced stat (combination of FEI and S&P+), the difference is staggering.

USU had an F/+ percentage that would rank them as the 14th best team in the nation last year. SJSU would be ranked as the 32nd best team in the nation. 2011 Wyoming, even with an 8-5 record? 104th best team.

Stats don't always tell the whole story, but these advanced stats that are out there now-a-days are pretty damn good. The discrepancy in F/+ percentage is so large that I have a tough time dismissing it.

To answer your question in short...2011 Wyoming was lucky. 2012 USU and SJSU were good.
 
fromolwyoming said:
Maybe. They could either do really well, or pull a Southern Miss with their new coaches. Remember, Southern Miss had a ton of starters returning after a 10 win top 25 season, and then they went 0-12.
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Southern Miss played 6 quarterbacks in 2012. Only one of those quarterbacks was on the 2011 roster and he threw 3 passes. (Can you imagine having SIX quarterbacks with a total experience level of 3 passes??)

Their leading rusher in 2012 was #4 on the depth chart in 2011. Lost their top 2 WRs from 2011 as well.

They won many of their games in 2011 in shootouts, their defense was nothing great to begin with. That must've been where their returners came from.
 
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