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[TSpoke]

Win a bunch of easy ooc games.
Barely sneak into one poll.
Lose next game at home.

Seem familiar?

Well at least we still have a number next to our name for a few more days... Wouldnt be surprised if no one votes for us next week.

Except we still have all our players and no one got in a bar fight.. if that is the team you are referring to.

This.

There was a reason that team fell apart after the ranking. This year we are still in first place in the league sitting great. We are not going to collapse. We lost one game that we knew was goingto be hard. Still plenty of ball left.

 

[NowherePoke]

Win a bunch of easy ooc games.
Barely sneak into one poll.
Lose next game at home.

Seem familiar?

Well at least we still have a number next to our name for a few more days... Wouldnt be surprised if no one votes for us next week.

Except we still have all our players and no one got in a bar fight.. if that is the team you are referring to.

This.

There was a reason that team fell apart after the ranking. This year we are still in first place in the league sitting great. We are not going to collapse. We lost one game that we knew was goingto be hard. Still plenty of ball left.

Agree about not collapsing, but we have dug ourselves such a big hole with the weak OOC and now a home loss that we aren't realistically in the running for a NCAA berth anymore.

In 12-13, we really just needed to finish about 9-7 or so in the MWC to make the NCAA. This year's team needed to go 14-4 or 15-3 with at least one win over SDSU (the only MWC opponent that will be considered a "quality" win at the end of the year I believe) in order to put themselves in position. That looks unlikely now.

 

[TSpoke]

Win a bunch of easy ooc games.
Barely sneak into one poll.
Lose next game at home.

Seem familiar?

Well at least we still have a number next to our name for a few more days... Wouldnt be surprised if no one votes for us next week.

Except we still have all our players and no one got in a bar fight.. if that is the team you are referring to.

This.

There was a reason that team fell apart after the ranking. This year we are still in first place in the league sitting great. We are not going to collapse. We lost one game that we knew was goingto be hard. Still plenty of ball left.

Agree about not collapsing, but we have dug ourselves such a big hole with the weak OOC and now a home loss that we aren't realistically in the running for a NCAA berth anymore.

In 12-13, we really just needed to finish about 9-7 or so in the MWC to make the NCAA. This year's team needed to go 14-4 or 15-3 with at least one win over SDSU (the only MWC opponent that will be considered a "quality" win at the end of the year I believe) in order to put themselves in position. That looks unlikely now.

14-4 with loses at SDSU, at NM, at UNLV give us an RPI in the 50's still(according to RPIforecast). That is enough to get us on the bubble and in the discussion.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Wyoming.html

Now if that record is enough to win the conference then with that "good enough" RPI we would definately get in. When was the last time the regular season champ of the MW not get in? Us in 01 when we had a 3 way tie with Utah and BYU? The next year we got in with a pretty terrible RPI because we won the conference.(and the conference has more respect now than it did then)

So we definately have a lot of work to do but the lose last night did not change my opinion on how good of a team we are. I still beleive we can win the conference. And I beleive if we can do that the NCAA will sort itself out. Conference title is more important to me than a NCAA berth anyways.(one will follow the other however)

 

[djm19]

Everything that I have read has the MWC has a two bid league. SDSU is the only team who will be considered if they don't win the tourney. If they iwn the tourney, and we are in the title game and have a formidable record, we will get considered.

That said, we can go in the mwc tourney with mid 20s in wins and get bounced in first round, we are out of the big tourney.

Just win baby. I truly believe that if we don't win the mwc tourney, we end up NIT or CBI. :thumbdown:

 

[TSpoke]

Everything that I have read has the MWC has a two bid league. SDSU is the only team who will be considered if they don't win the tourney. If they iwn the tourney, and we are in the title game and have a formidable record, we will get considered.

That said, we can go in the mwc tourney with mid 20s in wins and get bounced in first round, we are out of the big tourney.

Just win baby. I truly believe that if we don't win the mwc tourney, we end up NIT or CBI. :thumbdown:

Win the regular season crown and everything will sort itself out.

I think we are a 3 bid league. I see plenty of brackets showing us as 3 bids. And the committe doesn't look at confernces and say how many get in from each conference they look at teams. Right now some think there are 3 teams worthy of the NCAA's in the MW. SDSU, CSU(high RPI so if they finish top 3(maybe 4) in the conference i think they will be in, and right now WYO. we will see what the next couple weeks bring. Lose to either Fresno or UNM and we will be hurting.

 

[djm19]

Yep, we just have to win. If we lose a game here or there to GOOD teams, that's part of the game.However, WINNING those games will make a huge difference. We need some better wins.

 

[NowherePoke]

Win a bunch of easy ooc games.
Barely sneak into one poll.
Lose next game at home.

Seem familiar?

Well at least we still have a number next to our name for a few more days... Wouldnt be surprised if no one votes for us next week.

Except we still have all our players and no one got in a bar fight.. if that is the team you are referring to.

This.

There was a reason that team fell apart after the ranking. This year we are still in first place in the league sitting great. We are not going to collapse. We lost one game that we knew was goingto be hard. Still plenty of ball left.

Agree about not collapsing, but we have dug ourselves such a big hole with the weak OOC and now a home loss that we aren't realistically in the running for a NCAA berth anymore.

In 12-13, we really just needed to finish about 9-7 or so in the MWC to make the NCAA. This year's team needed to go 14-4 or 15-3 with at least one win over SDSU (the only MWC opponent that will be considered a "quality" win at the end of the year I believe) in order to put themselves in position. That looks unlikely now.

14-4 with loses at SDSU, at NM, at UNLV give us an RPI in the 50's still(according to RPIforecast). That is enough to get us on the bubble and in the discussion.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Wyoming.html

Now if that record is enough to win the conference then with that "good enough" RPI we would definately get in. When was the last time the regular season champ of the MW not get in? Us in 01 when we had a 3 way tie with Utah and BYU? The next year we got in with a pretty terrible RPI because we won the conference.(and the conference has more respect now than it did then)

So we definately have a lot of work to do but the lose last night did not change my opinion on how good of a team we are. I still beleive we can win the conference. And I beleive if we can do that the NCAA will sort itself out. Conference title is more important to me than a NCAA berth anyways.(one will follow the other however)

I do agree that 14-4 gets us in the discussion (I think that is the minimum required to get us in the discussion). However, even if that wins the MWC, it will be very borderline. A few items to note:

1. In terms of winning the MWC, that looks pretty unlikely right now as SDSU as established themselves as the frontrunners.

2. Even if we do, you point out the only time that the MWC champ was left out was...Wyoming. It could easily happen again.

3. In terms of winning the conference, that can be a positive factor in the resume (even if technically they say it doesn't matter), but remember just a couple of years ago when the regular season PAC champ (Washington) was left out. If they can leave out the PAC regular season champ, they can sure leave out the MWC champ (and have before..us).

4. In terms of being a bubble team in the 50's, we are on very thin ice in the scenario. If you look at last year, there were only 3 teams with an RPI below 50 that recieved an at-large and 5 teams between 50-60 were left out entirely. Two of those teams are very instructive IMO. SMU and La. Tech. SMU finished 23-9 (before the NIT) with a SOS of 113 and an OOC SOS of 303. The latter was highlighted as one of the primary reasons for their exclusion. La. Tech finished 27-7 (before the NIT) and lost in the CUSA title game. They finished with a SOS in the 180's and an OOC SOS in the 280's. Now imagine a Wyoming team that goes 14-4, 25-6 and then 1-1 in the MWCT. Pokes would be 26-7 with an OOC SOS currently projected to be 314 and an overall SOS of 182 (not counting the 2 MWCT games, so maybe a little higher). How is our resume any better than SMU or La. Tech last year? Our only Top 50 wins in that scenario would be Colorado St. (if they stay Top 50).


Obviously I don't want this to happen, but the writing is on the wall. I don't the Pokes get an at-large unless they win the MWC outright and they may need to go 15-3 in doing so. After last night it seems like 12-6 or 13-5 are more realistic targets but that won't even get us in the discussion.

Long story short, I believe we have a Top 50 team, but we will not have a Top 50 resume.

 

[BeaverPoke]

1 game and sky is falling. Holy shit people.
We will be fine. We will also get this win back. Sdsu is not at another level than us anymore. We will start winning some games and establish ourselves at top with sdsu then beat them in their house for revenge.

 

[TSpoke]

Win a bunch of easy ooc games.
Barely sneak into one poll.
Lose next game at home.

Seem familiar?

Well at least we still have a number next to our name for a few more days... Wouldnt be surprised if no one votes for us next week.

Except we still have all our players and no one got in a bar fight.. if that is the team you are referring to.

This.

There was a reason that team fell apart after the ranking. This year we are still in first place in the league sitting great. We are not going to collapse. We lost one game that we knew was goingto be hard. Still plenty of ball left.

Agree about not collapsing, but we have dug ourselves such a big hole with the weak OOC and now a home loss that we aren't realistically in the running for a NCAA berth anymore.

In 12-13, we really just needed to finish about 9-7 or so in the MWC to make the NCAA. This year's team needed to go 14-4 or 15-3 with at least one win over SDSU (the only MWC opponent that will be considered a "quality" win at the end of the year I believe) in order to put themselves in position. That looks unlikely now.

14-4 with loses at SDSU, at NM, at UNLV give us an RPI in the 50's still(according to RPIforecast). That is enough to get us on the bubble and in the discussion.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Wyoming.html

Now if that record is enough to win the conference then with that "good enough" RPI we would definately get in. When was the last time the regular season champ of the MW not get in? Us in 01 when we had a 3 way tie with Utah and BYU? The next year we got in with a pretty terrible RPI because we won the conference.(and the conference has more respect now than it did then)

So we definately have a lot of work to do but the lose last night did not change my opinion on how good of a team we are. I still beleive we can win the conference. And I beleive if we can do that the NCAA will sort itself out. Conference title is more important to me than a NCAA berth anyways.(one will follow the other however)

I do agree that 14-4 gets us in the discussion (I think that is the minimum required to get us in the discussion). However, even if that wins the MWC, it will be very borderline. A few items to note:

1. In terms of winning the MWC, that looks pretty unlikely right now as SDSU as established themselves as the frontrunners.

2. Even if we do, you point out the only time that the MWC champ was left out was...Wyoming. It could easily happen again.

3. In terms of winning the conference, that can be a positive factor in the resume (even if technically they say it doesn't matter), but remember just a couple of years ago when the regular season PAC champ (Washington) was left out. If they can leave out the PAC regular season champ, they can sure leave out the MWC champ (and have before..us).

4. In terms of being a bubble team in the 50's, we are on very thin ice in the scenario. If you look at last year, there were only 3 teams with an RPI below 50 that recieved an at-large and 5 teams between 50-60 were left out entirely. Two of those teams are very instructive IMO. SMU and La. Tech. SMU finished 23-9 (before the NIT) with a SOS of 113 and an OOC SOS of 303. The latter was highlighted as one of the primary reasons for their exclusion. La. Tech finished 27-7 (before the NIT) and lost in the CUSA title game. They finished with a SOS in the 180's and an OOC SOS in the 280's. Now imagine a Wyoming team that goes 14-4, 25-6 and then 1-1 in the MWCT. Pokes would be 26-7 with an OOC SOS currently projected to be 314 and an overall SOS of 182 (not counting the 2 MWCT games, so maybe a little higher). How is our resume any better than SMU or La. Tech last year? Our only Top 50 wins in that scenario would be Colorado St. (if they stay Top 50).


Obviously I don't want this to happen, but the writing is on the wall. I don't the Pokes get an at-large unless they win the MWC outright and they may need to go 15-3 in doing so. After last night it seems like 12-6 or 13-5 are more realistic targets but that won't even get us in the discussion.

Long story short, I believe we have a Top 50 team, but we will not have a Top 50 resume.

1. I don't know that they have. They are very good but there are 4 teams with 1 conference loss all to another of those 4 teams. My opinion about our teams chances haven't changed based on last nights game. Was a tough loss to a very good team. Sucks we missed a great opportunity but we are still in the race. the next 2 games will show a lot. If we don't win both then our chances are definately diminished.
2. I acknowledge we got left out as champs but since that time the MW has gotten much better and respected as a conference and that year there were 3 champs and 2 of them got selected to the NCAA's. If we are in a three way tie we definately could get left out.
3. Didn't remember that about Wash. I can't remember what was lead to it but I imagine they were one of the last 4 out.
4. I beleive the RPI is a tool used to see if a school is worthy of taking a closer look at them. For instance if it is lower(or higher, however you want to say it) than a certain number(60) then we look closer at them. I agree that life in the 50's is not ideal and no way a guarantee but I beleive that would get us on the bubble and they would look hard at us. In the case last year of SMU and La Tech they do look very similar to what we could end up with this year but niether one of those teams won there conference outright. SMU was 4th I think and it looks like La Tech was in a four-way tie for first(a 00-01 wyoming situation)
The year we made the tourney we were conference champs but our RPI was 60. Thats a crazy low RPI. But I think the reason we got in that year was because we won the title and they couldn't justify letting in the others from the conference(Utah?, BYU?) when they were below us in the conference.

Im not saying we will/deserve an at large bid. Im just saying if we finish like I said 14-4 ish, we will be in the conversation and if we win the conference it will make it hard for them to leave us out. Thats why I say, just win the conference and everything will work itself out. Its the only thing we can control right now so just worry about that and see where the chips fall.

So I think we both agree. Just win.

 

[LanderPoke]

1 game and sky is falling. Holy shit people.
We will be fine. We will also get this win back. Sdsu is not at another level than us anymore. We will start winning some games and establish ourselves at top with sdsu then beat them in their house for revenge.

Revenge! :twisted:

 

[kansasCowboy]

After watching that interview with Shyatt on the Mtn, I'm convinced that the only way we get a good OOC is by traveling to top school and also playing in season tournies.
Shyatt said that he and his staff reached out to "quite literally" everybody, and the only two to call him back were SMU and Cal, to play a two for one.
We won't see any good teams coming to Laramie anytime soon.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

After watching that interview with Shyatt on the Mtn, I'm convinced that the only way we get a good OOC is by traveling to top school and also playing in season tournies.
Shyatt said that he and his staff reached out to "quite literally" everybody, and the only two to call him back were SMU and Cal, to play a two for one.
We won't see any good teams coming to Laramie anytime soon.

It totally sucks but I see why. 8 times out of 10 your gonna lose in Laramie to a Wyoming team that isn't quite "established" as a national/conference power. Those kinds of losses make your big time fanbase question your merit. Look at us right now. We're not the biggest schedule booster were a loss to us on the road is like a win anyway like the top 20 schools. It's also kind of a money/power thing too I'm sure. Can't let the little guy (WYO) get established and take that away from you (the major conferences).