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Pac12 vs MWC Sept (Lawsuit Update)

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The Initial Case Management Conference is set for 11/18/2025 at 09:30 AM in San Jose via Videoconference Only. This proceeding will be held via a Zoom webinar. Webinar Access: All counsel, members of the public, and media may access the webinar information at [LINK:https://www.cand.uscourts.gov/svk]
 
From the 11/18/25 case management hearing:

Further Case Management Conference set for 8/11/25

Expert Witness disclosures - 9/30/26

Rebuttal Expert Witness disclosures - 10/30/26

Dispositive Motions - 1/12/27

Dispositive Motion Hearing - 3/30/27
 
Interesting thought I heard on TV, wsu and osu stalling in hopes of invite to another (read big12) and leaving rest of pac to pay the bill if judgement comes if/after they leave. Naturally they'd likely be on the hook still but could force another round of hearings.

Looks like no decision until late 27 or even into 28. Freaking slime balls. I hope the pac goes bankrupt.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
Interesting thought I heard on TV, wsu and osu stalling in hopes of invite to another (read big12) and leaving rest of pac to pay the bill if judgement comes if/after they leave. Naturally they'd likely be on the hook still but could force another round of hearings.

Looks like no decision until late 27 or even into 28. Freaking slime balls. I hope the pac goes bankrupt.
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They PAC stabbers would then sue Wazzu and ORST into the 2040s.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
Interesting thought I heard on TV, wsu and osu stalling in hopes of invite to another (read big12) and leaving rest of pac to pay the bill if judgement comes if/after they leave. Naturally they'd likely be on the hook still but could force another round of hearings.

Looks like no decision until late 27 or even into 28. Freaking slime balls. I hope the pac goes bankrupt.
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I have a feeling they will. As soon as Oregon State and/or Boise State gets a Big 12 invite, that house of cards that is the PAC Whatever implodes, and we get Fort Fart back as a conference pain-in-the-ass.
 
PorkerPoke said:
From the 11/18/25 case management hearing:

Further Case Management Conference set for 8/11/25

Expert Witness disclosures - 9/30/26

Rebuttal Expert Witness disclosures - 10/30/26

Dispositive Motions - 1/12/27

Dispositive Motion Hearing - 3/30/27
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This schedule is insane. But that is federal court in California, 9th circuit. In Fed Ct in Wyoming you'd have a trail this summer. But that is why the PAC stabbers chose that venue.
 
Wyokie said:
I have a feeling they will. As soon as Oregon State and/or Boise State gets a Big 12 invite, that house of cards that is the PAC Whatever implodes, and we get Fort Fart back as a conference pain-in-the-ass.
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I think that’s been their play the whole time. Neither current pac team wanted to be relegated, and they’re totally looking out for themselves. USU, Fresno, CSU, you are delusional if you think they have your best interest at heart. They’ve only sort of hitched their wagon to Boise, and now that they stink, it’s SDSU they’re hoping can make a splash. Again, it’s a shame that it had to ruin what could have been one, solid, western football and basketball conference.
 
Really the 2027 lawsuits is about the poaching penalty as the Mountain West Conference is withholding distributions from its departing members, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno St, San Diego Stand Utah State.

The withheld funds started last year (FY 25 & FY 26) and will happen again this year so it is "two year hold of conf distributions"

Looking at the payouts from FY24 it is apparent that the MW will have a nest egg to share with their members even if they do not get the full poaching penalty of even a lesser amount.

FY24 MW Distro:
Boise St - 8.6M Two Year Value withheld (17.2M)
Utah St - 6.7M Two Year Value withheld (14.4M)
Fresno St - 6.6M Two Year Value withheld (13.2M)
San Diego St - 6.4M Two Year Value withheld (12.8M)
Col St - 6.2M Two Year Value withheld (12.4M)

I have heard the last two years of the TV deal pays out more so I would expect my numbers to be low, but anyways you can see the total of 70M to give away until the 2027 poaching lawsuit happens.


Percentage of Collected Fees
Air Force and UNLV-24.5% each
Nevada, New Mexico, San José State, and Wyoming- 11.5% each
Hawaiʻi-5%


Amount of the 70M given to schools:
Air Force and UNLV - 17.25M each
Nevada, New Mexico, San José State, and Wyoming - 8M each
Hawai'i - 3.5M

Then the poaching fee will be divided up the same way after a final amount has been awarded. For example a judge could rule that $55M is to much and the total should only be $40M. Also in the other lawsuit they could make a judgement that the final exit fees for each school should not be 18M, it should be 15M. In that case the MWC would get 40M in poaching fees and the extra monies not with held bringing the total to 55M. Or another scenario would be MW over held each school by 1M. In that case from the 40M awarded the MW would have to deduct 5M, to give back from the departed members and then take the 35M and share the amount the same way they did in 2026.


Either way the Mountain West is not losing, it just has a delay for funds. Why you may ask, did WSU and OSU lose against the Original PAC12? Nope, so the MW isn't losing either.
 
I watched a podcast with canzano and he was careful not to be disparaging but he was not the usual braggadocios hyping about the new pee12. He started out with the issues at SDSU football attendance and fundraising before going into the TV deal. He did acknowledge that the linear approach with the pee12 producing the majority of games will not be the revenue generator. His cost example was the B10 bragged about $82 million per program with the new contract but the real figure is more like $60 million. He then alluded back to SDSU and the rest of the traitors as not being as happy with the TV deal as they were sold. He also brought up Texas State as being paid incrementally taking the full 5 years to get a 100% share. Texas State wasn’t getting much in the SBC so it wouldn’t take much to claim a better deal.

The Bob Thompson former media guy is saying $7-$10 million but I have heard others saying after production costs are paid it will be closer to $5 million than $10. Using the B10 math, let’s average the $7 and $10 million number to get $8.5 million. Multiply that by .73 and the net is more like $6.2 million. I would put my bet closer to that number as the payout than I would closer to $10 million.

Key component - there is no Fox or ESPN which leaves open that window for western time zone starts. The MWC package will be interesting.

NIL is the key to getting the best players in this day and age. The exit fees and not that much of an increase will put a lot of pressure on pee12 fundraising. WSU has bad finances and they were used to the original P12 gravy train which is now less than 33% of the original revenue. How high will ticket prices go to help revenue? If teams like the sheep don’t sell tickets they won’t be rolling in extra dollars to pay for their stadium debt. SDSU is not filling the stadium which is 12 miles from campus and the community isn’t flocking to games despite being in 1st this year.

Only time will tell now who wins or loses or if it was a draw.
 
Another what-if i heard: AAC strikes while iron is hot. Takes unt, utsa, rice, tulsa, and tulane, for a west division with bsu, osu, wsu, and suds. Also secure the Zags for bball. Pac dissolves with no gor considerations. Same tv money with better platforms and unequivocally the best g6 conference.
 
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