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OT: Guilty or Innocent?

McPeachy

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I know the law states innocent until proven guilty, but based on the last 4 days of testimony, from 8 different individuals, I can't see anything coming from this but a guilty verdict.

And I just hope, and pray, the victims in this horrific mess are able to turn the corner in their lives, and move on. Oh, and that Sandusky gets scheduled for death, by the longest, most painful manner available.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...child-sex-abuse-trial-day-4-penn-state-061412
 
Guy's guilty.. no question.

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This here is the image of a pedophile.. this was taken yesterday as he left the courthouse.
 
That is a disturbing picture! How someone could be smiling after such horrible testimony is beyond me.

Do I think he committed the acts? Yes. I think he is a very sick individual.

Should he be found guilty? It is hard to say without hearing the defense's argument. Remember, the burden of proof is really high in a criminal case "beyond a reasonable doubt". I don't think they have even identified the victim which McQueary is referring to. I definitely don't think the prosecution proved all 52 counts, but luckily they only have to prove 1 or 2 to lock him up for good.


Overall, it is unbelievable how many lives one man has destroyed. McQueary will never get a job again and his reputation is ruined. Yet, if you think about it...McQueary is a big reason the case was able to go forward and justice be served. McQueary could have simply said to the grand jury that he never saw anything and his reputation is in tack and he certainly can get a job. While he may have dropped the ball then (as a younger man), I commend him for attempting to right a wrong.
 
Guilty. So freaking guilty. I just hope they have enough to put him away for good. 1 in 5 children get to experience sexual abuse/molestation at one time or other, and it's because of people like McQueary.

I'll never forget how freaked out my ex was every time she woke up in the middle of the night from nightmares of her stepdad molesting her. It left some insanely bad emotional scarring.
 
I know about abuse.

I think he's guilty of abusing boys.
I want to know if he was one of those innocent boys at one time in his life and has repeated what he experienced but I've not heard anything like that from him.

"Maybe it leaves an invisible scar
But I have not come quite that far
But I could hurt you now
I could hurt you now."
 
I don't know how any jury could have any doubt in their minds about his guilt after these testimonies. I'm shocked that they haven't cut a plea deal yet just to make it end. I don't know what they think they're defense is going to be, but I can't fathom a scenario where you could have a defense for 56 separate counts of heinous acts over a 15 year period (and those are just the ones we know about).
 
WYO1016 said:
Now he thinks that some random personality disorder will be a good defense? I don't know who this sick fuck's lawyer is, but he shouldn't be allowed to practice law if he thinks this is going to work.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-testify-psychiatric-condition-jerry-sandusky

Can't believe it. I figured there was a reason he didn't plea...at 67, he figures WTF...I am going down one way or another, may as well try to keep lying to everyone to save some sort of integrity.

He is one of the few that I see prancing around in the media / judicial system, that I would love to be on a rooftop somewhere close.

Somebody please bring in the Star Chamber.
 
WYO1016 said:
Now he thinks that some random personality disorder will be a good defense? I don't know who this sick fuck's lawyer is, but he shouldn't be allowed to practice law if he thinks this is going to work.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-testify-psychiatric-condition-jerry-sandusky

A lawyer has an ethical duty to "zealously" represent their client. In the criminal context, this means putting forth any defense which may have any basis in fact (if the lawyer believes such defense may sway a jury or bring about a better outcome for their client). I have no idea of the legitamcy of such defense, but saying a lawyer should not be allowed to practice law for performing their ethical duty of zealously representing their client is misguided IMO.

I'm not a criminal law attorney and would have no desire to practice in that extremely stressful environment...but I don't think an attorney should be judged upon who they defend. The system simply does not work if both sides do not have an adequate platform to present their case.

As to this case, I hope the prosecution did enough to prove their case. We will have to wait and see. I am sure the prosecution will have their chance to present an expert that refutes any relationship between such disorder and pedophilia.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
WYO1016 said:
Now he thinks that some random personality disorder will be a good defense? I don't know who this sick fuck's lawyer is, but he shouldn't be allowed to practice law if he thinks this is going to work.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-testify-psychiatric-condition-jerry-sandusky

A lawyer has an ethical duty to "zealously" represent their client. In the criminal context, this means putting forth any defense which may have any basis in fact (if the lawyer believes such defense may sway a jury or bring about a better outcome for their client). I have no idea of the legitamcy of such defense, but saying a lawyer should not be allowed to practice law for performing their ethical duty of zealously representing their client is misguided IMO.

I'm not a criminal law attorney and would have no desire to practice in that extremely stressful environment...but I don't think an attorney should be judged upon who they defend. The system simply does not work if both sides do not have an adequate platform to present their case.

As to this case, I hope the prosecution did enough to prove their case. We will have to wait and see. I am sure the prosecution will have their chance to present an expert that refutes any relationship between such disorder and pedophilia.

In an ideal world, yeah you're right. But guilt is determined by how much money you have and that's why Sandusky and his lawyer are scumbags. If his lawyer wasn't a scumbag and was really concerned about "zealously defending his client", then you would see him doing some work for all the poor people out there. I'm not saying he doesn't, but I have a suspicion that this guy hasn't defended a poor person since he just barely passed the bar. He's a scumbag and hopefully the sniper on the hill passes one through him before it hits sandusky.
 
HISTRIONIC PERSONALITY DISORDER??!! Bwahahahahahah

No fucking way. If he has HPD, I'm the queen of fucking England. That "expert" needs to review the diagnostic criteria and/or have his license yanked.
 
Maybe his disorder is: "I'm not the one you put your faith in, just someone who looks like him."
 
Sandusky very well may have a psychological disorder, but it is pedophilia, not histrionic personality. The grooming behaviors that they discussed in the article are textbook pedo. When the situation first came out I read the affidavit. Its not surprising to me that we haven't heard about more victims. I can imagine that he did this for years and years prior to being caught, but I believe the statistics are something like one of every 10 victims actually come forward, and often there are many other kids who were subjected to grooming without any actual physical sexual abuse happening. He may have have hundreds of actual victims out there.

It's like dating almost. When you first go on a date with someone, you don't immediately have sex. Well, maybe Lax does, but most do not. You hold hands, you kiss, and you do a little touching… Then on the next date you do the same - maybe a little further, maybe a little longer… eventually you lead up to something like mutual masturbation, and then you have sex. That's exactly what grooming behaviors are. Except they are with someone inappropriate. You are gradually desensitizing the person to different levels of abuse.

Histrionic people are attention whores. They play both ends against the metal, they use sex and drama to get what they want, and 99% of them are women. The behaviors with histrionic personality type are extremely feminine, very typical of women. If you really look at the diagnostic criteria for histrionic, it looks like an extreme version of every woman you have ever known.

I would suspect that he is claiming a personality disorder because those cannot be treated. Your personality is what it is, the only thing you can do is work on behavior triggers and modification. It is hard-wired. I am guessing that they have gone with this line of defense because if he can be found to truly have a personality disorder, then they can argue that it is his biology and he is not responsible for his actions.

Anyway. That's just my two cents. Sorry for the psychology lesson :)
 
Seems that Penn State has a long list of adults who have some kind of problem for not stopping him sooner. Personality disorder or not it seems he did things and should go to prison for them. I feel sick when he is shown on TV.
 
69er said:
Seems that Penn State has a long list of adults who have some kind of problem for not stopping him sooner. Personality disorder or not it seems he did things and should go to prison for them. I feel sick when he is shown on TV.

Agreed. As should several of the people who knew about or suspected the abuse. I'm not sure if Penn is a mandated reporting state or not, but in many other states, failure to report even suspected child abuse is an imprisonable offense.
 
I hope Sandusky gets sentenced to slide down a mile long razor blade into a barrel of turpentine. But those others who covered this up or even looked the other way are guilty too and I hope they have nightmares about this for the rest of their lives. Alyssa - be strong - running is a great way to relax the mind.
 
WYCowboy said:
I hope Sandusky gets sentenced to slide down a mile long razor blade into a barrel of turpentine. But those others who covered this up or even looked the other way are guilty too and I hope they have nightmares about this for the rest of their lives. Alyssa - be strong - running is a great way to relax the mind.

Sadly, one of the few who probably covered up for him died a few months ago.....JoePa. But we'll never know for sure if Joe knew that his assistant was raping little boys or not. In my opinion, JoePa coulda done something to stop it but didn't.
 
The defense didn't do much. Still have to fight off 51 charges... totaling to around 400 years in prison. This guy is finished.
 
Wyokie said:
WYCowboy said:
I hope Sandusky gets sentenced to slide down a mile long razor blade into a barrel of turpentine. But those others who covered this up or even looked the other way are guilty too and I hope they have nightmares about this for the rest of their lives. Alyssa - be strong - running is a great way to relax the mind.

Sadly, one of the few who probably covered up for him died a few months ago.....JoePa. But we'll never know for sure if Joe knew that his assistant was raping little boys or not. In my opinion, JoePa coulda done something to stop it but didn't.

If it had happened in Oklahoma, JoePa would have gone to jail. Period.
 
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