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Once again, Christensen needs to be fired

cowboyz

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This post is not to comment on today's game. It's been covered, very accurately, already. I'm jumping on here to confirm what I said last week and that is that Christensen needs to be fired. It doesn't matter what we feel about him personally (for instance, I feel he's an ass and a bully, has a gigantic ego, with just a little bit of stupid thrown in). The reason he needs to be fired is because he does not have what it takes to be a head coach at the FBS level. He was a good OC in his last situation, he took a shot, we took a shot, but it didn't work. He simply can not do the job. Not many people can. It's hard. Move on.

Most of us were pretty excited when he came here. We were hoping for a little bit of that Missouri magic. Unfortunately, that's what we got, a little bit.

He took over for Glenn. Why? Because Glenn couldn't do the job. Maybe Glenn couldn't either, but he certainly did a better job than Christensen, and it was a lot more entertaining!

We're 43 games into the Christensen experiment and our record under his leadership is 19-24. Well, after 43 games under Glenn's guidance we were 19-24 also. Glenn inherited a team without a pulse, maybe the worse situation possible, a team that won 5 games total in the previous 3 years. Christensen inherited a team that averaged 5 wins per year in the previous 3 before showing up. That's a huge difference. Christensen has a larger budget (mostly his paycheck!) and the facilities have improved and he has delivered what we already had. I guess people could try to defend Christensen by saying, "we've been to 2 bowl games and Glenn only took us to one." Fair enough, but in the first, we beat Fresno State and in the second bowl game we got embarassed in front of the nation. In Glenn's bowl game we beat a team with a "big name". Not to mention that there are more bowl games now and therefore easier to get into one, plus under the same conditions that Christensen has, Glenn should have coached us in 2 bowl games. When we went 6-6 under Glenn (the same record as our 2009 team) we should have gone to the same bowl game (New Mexico). The bowl picked New Mexico over Wyoming, even though we beat them in the regular season and finished ahead of them in conference. Understandably as the local team should deliver a better attendance, but it should have been given to Wyoming. It wasn't, but only due to politics, not Glenn's lack of delivering a record that quaified. There's also the fact that over the entire body of work, Glenn's teams had much tougher schdules. During Christensen's era we've had a couple tough OOC teams on the schedule each year, but our conference is getting weaker.

It's also apparant that our "play not to lose" strategy is delivering what's to be expected, losses. In Glenn's first 43 games we beat Utah, Ole Miss, UCLA and BYU. What's out biggest win in the DC era?

To keep up with Glenn's (what we had) first 50 games, Christensen needs to finish this season 4-3. That's to stay even with what we had. Anything less and we're actually going backward. Glenn was fired. Why should Christensen be allowed to stay? He can't hold onto players, can't beat a big program, can't recruit (What do have so far for next year, a few 2 star and no star recruits?), can't coach up, can't oversee a defense and can't seem to care enough to communicate with the fans.

If Christensen stays be prepared for more of the same over and over again. He built this thing...
 
Hard to argue really. On one hand, its hard to fire a coach that provided the first 8-win season this millennium. On the other, its also hard watching schools like Utah State, San Jose State, and Louisiana Tech find coaches, pay them less money than CDC makes, yet they are solid on BOTH sides of the ball. My point: You get the feeling Wyoming could do better.
 
cowboyz said:
This post is not to comment on today's game. It's been covered, very accurately, already. I'm jumping on here to confirm what I said last week and that is that Christensen needs to be fired. It doesn't matter what we feel about him personally (for instance, I feel he's an ass and a bully, has a gigantic ego, with just a little bit of stupid thrown in). The reason he needs to be fired is because he does not have what it takes to be a head coach at the FBS level. He was a good OC in his last situation, he took a shot, we took a shot, but it didn't work. He simply can not do the job. Not many people can. It's hard. Move on.

Most of us were pretty excited when he came here. We were hoping for a little bit of that Missouri magic. Unfortunately, that's what we got, a little bit.

He took over for Glenn. Why? Because Glenn couldn't do the job. Maybe Glenn couldn't either, but he certainly did a better job than Christensen, and it was a lot more entertaining!

We're 43 games into the Christensen experiment and our record under his leadership is 19-24. Well, after 43 games under Glenn's guidance we were 19-24 also. Glenn inherited a team without a pulse, maybe the worse situation possible, a team that won 5 games total in the previous 3 years. Christensen inherited a team that averaged 5 wins per year in the previous 3 before showing up. That's a huge difference. Christensen has a larger budget (mostly his paycheck!) and the facilities have improved and he has delivered what we already had. I guess people could try to defend Christensen by saying, "we've been to 2 bowl games and Glenn only took us to one." Fair enough, but in the first, we beat Fresno State and in the second bowl game we got embarassed in front of the nation. In Glenn's bowl game we beat a team with a "big name". Not to mention that there are more bowl games now and therefore easier to get into one, plus under the same conditions that Christensen has, Glenn should have coached us in 2 bowl games. When we went 6-6 under Glenn (the same record as our 2009 team) we should have gone to the same bowl game (New Mexico). The bowl picked New Mexico over Wyoming, even though we beat them in the regular season and finished ahead of them in conference. Understandably as the local team should deliver a better attendance, but it should have been given to Wyoming. It wasn't, but only due to politics, not Glenn's lack of delivering a record that quaified. There's also the fact that over the entire body of work, Glenn's teams had much tougher schdules. During Christensen's era we've had a couple tough OOC teams on the schedule each year, but our conference is getting weaker.

It's also apparant that our "play not to lose" strategy is delivering what's to be expected, losses. In Glenn's first 43 games we beat Utah, Ole Miss, UCLA and BYU. What's out biggest win in the DC era?

To keep up with Glenn's (what we had) first 50 games, Christensen needs to finish this season 4-3. That's to stay even with what we had. Anything less and we're actually going backward. Glenn was fired. Why should Christensen be allowed to stay? He can't hold onto players, can't beat a big program, can't recruit (What do have so far for next year, a few 2 star and no star recruits?), can't coach up, can't oversee a defense and can't seem to care enough to communicate with the fans.

If Christensen stays be prepared for more of the same over and over again. He built this thing...

Not only an informative post but a thought provoking one as well.

All I know is that Pokes fans are more than a little bit tired of being mediocre - and this season has been an enormous disappointment.

I'd be shocked if Burman pulled the plug after this season...
 
J-Rod said:
Hard to argue really. On one hand, its hard to fire a coach that provided the first 8-win season this millennium. On the other, its also hard watching schools like Utah State, San Jose State, and Louisiana Tech find coaches, pay them less money than CDC makes, yet they are solid on BOTH sides of the ball. My point: You get the feeling Wyoming could do better.
8 wins are nice, but when you supplement your league schedule, that hands you games against CSU, UNLV and New Mexico, with a couple FCS games, I'd hope we'd have a chance for a good amount of victories. The body of work over the past few year as well as where we are right now is what we need to judge.
 
I think DC proved last night that he really does not want to be in Laramie, you never sit on the ball and play for OT. He is also out of town anytime he can get out of town. You need to be part of a community if you are the head coach of the football team.

My question...

Can Larry Shyatt coach football?
 
Cowboyz,

I'm going to take a little exception to your post. Glenn inherited some talent. Bramlett was the best qb we had in the Glenn era. Glenn and staff recruited terrible offensive talent. I think the whole Utah episode where he guaranteed a win and we got blasted 50-0 was embarrassing. We were awful Glenn's last 2 years in the conference.

We are far more entertaining now imo. Last year was a successful year. We lost only 2 conference games and if Smith doesn't get hurt, we might beat tcu. I think DC deserves this year and next year as well. I'm sorry we gave him the extension, however. Letting the clock run out last night was ridiculous. Some of his decisions leave me scratching my head. However, the talent on the offense is better than weve seen here since the mid 90's. We gave Glenn 7 years, which was about 2 too many. DC deserves 4 years, considering 2 have been pretty good.

I'm frustrated like everyone else. But changing coaches doesnt guarantee success. csewe is finding that out right now.
If there was someone out there that would be a big step up, then the equation changes. But after Vic and Glenn, I'm ok with DC thru 2013.
 
PokePride.com said:
I think DC proved last night that he really does not want to be in Laramie, you never sit on the ball and play for OT. He is also out of town anytime he can get out of town. You need to be part of a community if you are the head coach of the football team.

My question...

Can Larry Shyatt coach football?

Is this really true? Can anyone substantiate this claim?

If this is true...wow.
 
DINOCOSTA said:
PokePride.com said:
I think DC proved last night that he really does not want to be in Laramie, you never sit on the ball and play for OT. He is also out of town anytime he can get out of town. You need to be part of a community if you are the head coach of the football team.

My question...

Can Larry Shyatt coach football?

Is this really true? Can anyone substantiate this claim?

If this is true...wow.

It's called recruiting?

What should we do? Require our next HC to not take out of town vacations?
 
BackHarlowRoad said:
DINOCOSTA said:
PokePride.com said:
I think DC proved last night that he really does not want to be in Laramie, you never sit on the ball and play for OT. He is also out of town anytime he can get out of town. You need to be part of a community if you are the head coach of the football team.

My question...

Can Larry Shyatt coach football?

Is this really true? Can anyone substantiate this claim?

If this is true...wow.

It's called recruiting?

What should we do? Require our next HC to not take out of town vacations?

It is not about vacations or recruiting, it is about taking part in the community you live in and collect a paycheck from. When community events are going on DC gets out of town, he is not well liked by the fans and is not approachable. The one thing that Joe Glenn did was take part in the community and made himself part of Laramie. I am not saying DC has to be at everything that goes on in Laramie but he should do something to endear himself to the community.
 
PokePride.com said:
BackHarlowRoad said:
DINOCOSTA said:
PokePride.com said:
I think DC proved last night that he really does not want to be in Laramie, you never sit on the ball and play for OT. He is also out of town anytime he can get out of town. You need to be part of a community if you are the head coach of the football team.

My question...

Can Larry Shyatt coach football?

Is this really true? Can anyone substantiate this claim?

If this is true...wow.

It's called recruiting?

What should we do? Require our next HC to not take out of town vacations?

I agree with this, a coach in a place like Laramie (or any college town) needs to not only be the coach, but he needs to be a positive ambassador and a salesman for the community and region.

Recruiting is one thing, being proud to be a Wyoming Cowboy and showing it on multiple levels is another...

It is not about vacations or recruiting, it is about taking part in the community you live in and collect a paycheck from. When community events are going on DC gets out of town, he is not well liked by the fans and is not approachable. The one thing that Joe Glenn did was take part in the community and made himself part of Laramie. I am not saying DC has to be at everything that goes on in Laramie but he should do something to endear himself to the community.
 
DINOCOSTA said:
PokePride.com said:
BackHarlowRoad said:
DINOCOSTA said:
PokePride.com said:
I think DC proved last night that he really does not want to be in Laramie, you never sit on the ball and play for OT. He is also out of town anytime he can get out of town. You need to be part of a community if you are the head coach of the football team.

My question...

Can Larry Shyatt coach football?

Is this really true? Can anyone substantiate this claim?

If this is true...wow.

It's called recruiting?

What should we do? Require our next HC to not take out of town vacations?

I agree with this, a coach in a place like Laramie (or any college town) needs to not only be the coach, but he needs to be a positive ambassador and a salesman for the community and region.

Recruiting is one thing, being proud to be a Wyoming Cowboy and showing it on multiple levels is another...

It is not about vacations or recruiting, it is about taking part in the community you live in and collect a paycheck from. When community events are going on DC gets out of town, he is not well liked by the fans and is not approachable. The one thing that Joe Glenn did was take part in the community and made himself part of Laramie. I am not saying DC has to be at everything that goes on in Laramie but he should do something to endear himself to the community.

Just curious. Given the fact you are such a supporter of Wyoming and you moved to Wyoming and you have your show you say is the most listened to on the network, how many season tickets do you have? If you don't, how many guys do you buy tickets to attend? Are you in the booster club?
 
You guys calling for the coach's head after a tough loss crack me up. The Pokes show themselves as competitive with arguably the best team in the conference, and your response is to run off the coach?
 
Poke in Billings said:
You guys calling for the coach's head after a tough loss crack me up. The Pokes show themselves as competitive with arguably the best team in the conference, and your response is to run off the coach?
I believe DC to be a great preparation and practice coach but I believe he is a complete choke job when it comes to important game time decisions. Its possible he also doesn't realize how it affects his players but for christs sake, show some faith in your team! It's his job to keep them inspired and his terrible decisions have got to take it's toll on them. I knew the second he decided to take a knee in regulation, we had lost. He basically admitted defeat to his own team and the opponents.
 
Poke in Billings said:
You guys calling for the coach's head after a tough loss crack me up. The Pokes show themselves as competitive with arguably the best team in the conference, and your response is to run off the coach?

This!
 
DC has a chance to be above .500 in his total record after four years running a program. His four year winning percentage is very similar to Joe Tiller's four year mark. Now I am not saying he is Joe Tiller (i.e. top 25 ranked team during one of those 4 yrs) but I think it is worth a shot to keep him for the 5th & possibly 6th year.

I also can't say I like taking a knee to go to overtime, but I believe we have a legit shot at getting to six wins. It would still be a dissappointing season, but a little adversity could help the team grow for next year.Brett Smith is badass so I still feel that our future is bright in the upcoming games and seasons.
 
I would like to see DC succeed in Laramie but I would also like for him to make sure he makes himself part of the Laramie community.

I did not like the taking a knee last night but I don't think we should fire him for it either. He does need to show some guts sometimes as this is not the first time his team has taking a knee instead of playing for a score but every other time has been going into the half not at the end of the game.
 
bladerunnr said:
Cowboyz,

I'm going to take a little exception to your post. Glenn inherited some talent. Bramlett was the best qb we had in the Glenn era. Glenn and staff recruited terrible offensive talent. I think the whole Utah episode where he guaranteed a win and we got blasted 50-0 was embarrassing. We were awful Glenn's last 2 years in the conference.

We are far more entertaining now imo. Last year was a successful year. We lost only 2 conference games and if Smith doesn't get hurt, we might beat tcu. I think DC deserves this year and next year as well. I'm sorry we gave him the extension, however. Letting the clock run out last night was ridiculous. Some of his decisions leave me scratching my head. However, the talent on the offense is better than weve seen here since the mid 90's. We gave Glenn 7 years, which was about 2 too many. DC deserves 4 years, considering 2 have been pretty good.

I'm frustrated like everyone else. But changing coaches doesnt guarantee success. csewe is finding that out right now.
If there was someone out there that would be a big step up, then the equation changes. But after Vic and Glenn, I'm ok with DC thru 2013.
Sorry, I shouldn't have said team, I meant the program as a whole. Saying team sounds like I'm talking about the players only.

By entertaining, once again, I meant the entire Wyoming football experience, not just the actual games. Having said that, if you're entertained by a one win team at this point in the season, then I see your point of keeping him around.

We don't have to look at CSU to see that a coaching change doesn't guarantee success, we can look at our own program. My fear is that we are going to give DC 2 years too many as well.
 
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