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WYO1016 said:This is going to be big. The question is, does it help or hurt paying players, like the big programs in the NCAA want to do? I can see the side of the argument that you need money to eat and such, but that's nothing a part time job couldn't take care of. I know of a ton of athletes that work for the Brown & Gold in Laramie, and they've never been paid for work they didn't do. Paying college players is bullshit. If they want money, they can work like the rest of us.
WYO1016 said:This is going to be big. The question is, does it help or hurt paying players, like the big programs in the NCAA want to do? I can see the side of the argument that you need money to eat and such, but that's nothing a part time job couldn't take care of. I know of a ton of athletes that work for the Brown & Gold in Laramie, and they've never been paid for work they didn't do. Paying college players is bullshit. If they want money, they can work like the rest of us.
jarhead said:As the father of a kid who is playing college football I can tell you that there is no way in hell he could work, go to school, and meet the demands of a division one college football program. I am not real sure where I stand on this issue but my son, a non-scholarshipped athlete, could not hold a full time or even a part time job. Sure he works a little in the summer but there is no way during the academic school year that he could work. Bottom line....there isn't enough hours in the day to do all three! So here is the debate: colleges make millions of dollars a year and they are going to force their players, the means of this income, to live in poverty? doesn't seem right does it? Even a scholarshipped athlete who gets the allowance has a hard time making it. I don't know what the answer is but I do know it is next to impossible to work and play football in college.
McPeachy said:jarhead said:As the father of a kid who is playing college football I can tell you that there is no way in hell he could work, go to school, and meet the demands of a division one college football program. I am not real sure where I stand on this issue but my son, a non-scholarshipped athlete, could not hold a full time or even a part time job. Sure he works a little in the summer but there is no way during the academic school year that he could work. Bottom line....there isn't enough hours in the day to do all three! So here is the debate: colleges make millions of dollars a year and they are going to force their players, the means of this income, to live in poverty? doesn't seem right does it? Even a scholarshipped athlete who gets the allowance has a hard time making it. I don't know what the answer is but I do know it is next to impossible to work and play football in college.
You bring up some great points.
I feel student athletes should be paid, while going to college, yes. But I also feel that the pay, needs to be equal (and regulated) from one institution to the next. Wyoming, Notre Dame, U$C, Buffalo, Eastern Michigan, Idaho, etc., all pay equal amounts - say $2000 a month during the school year. By not enforcing such, the gap widens (as your last post infers) and the haves become even more "having" and the have nots go out of business. Further, similarly as to what you mentioned, the profitability of certain schools needs to be evaluated.
OrediggerPoke said:If athletes are allowed to be paid, Wyoming will NOT be in the top division and the gap will certainly widen. Remember that Title IX will require that female athletes be paid as well. Payments will be required not only for revenue generating sports but for many non-revenue generating sports (there is no other way to balance out the payments). Let's say 75 football players receive approx $15,000/year. In order to balance the equation, 75 women athletes will also receive $15,000/year. The TOTAL COST: 2.25 million per year. While that number is insignificant to the PAC 12/Big 10, that number is massive compared to our athletic budget/revenue.
Honestly, I don't know where I stand on the issue because I don't think it is fair that some schools make so much money off of their players. But, it is clear that payments to players will mean a move down for Wyoming.
McPeachy said:OrediggerPoke said:If athletes are allowed to be paid, Wyoming will NOT be in the top division and the gap will certainly widen. Remember that Title IX will require that female athletes be paid as well. Payments will be required not only for revenue generating sports but for many non-revenue generating sports (there is no other way to balance out the payments). Let's say 75 football players receive approx $15,000/year. In order to balance the equation, 75 women athletes will also receive $15,000/year. The TOTAL COST: 2.25 million per year. While that number is insignificant to the PAC 12/Big 10, that number is massive compared to our athletic budget/revenue.
Honestly, I don't know where I stand on the issue because I don't think it is fair that some schools make so much money off of their players. But, it is clear that payments to players will mean a move down for Wyoming.
Maybe it should be pay during season versus annual pay? And yes, you are correct, all athletes would "get" it, female golfers would get the same $2K that football players get.
That said, Wyoming could afford it. Hell, the state gives away more than twice that in Hathaway every year. (Wish I could find a link to that claim).![]()
OrediggerPoke said:McPeachy said:OrediggerPoke said:If athletes are allowed to be paid, Wyoming will NOT be in the top division and the gap will certainly widen. Remember that Title IX will require that female athletes be paid as well. Payments will be required not only for revenue generating sports but for many non-revenue generating sports (there is no other way to balance out the payments). Let's say 75 football players receive approx $15,000/year. In order to balance the equation, 75 women athletes will also receive $15,000/year. The TOTAL COST: 2.25 million per year. While that number is insignificant to the PAC 12/Big 10, that number is massive compared to our athletic budget/revenue.
Honestly, I don't know where I stand on the issue because I don't think it is fair that some schools make so much money off of their players. But, it is clear that payments to players will mean a move down for Wyoming.
Maybe it should be pay during season versus annual pay? And yes, you are correct, all athletes would "get" it, female golfers would get the same $2K that football players get.
That said, Wyoming could afford it. Hell, the state gives away more than twice that in Hathaway every year. (Wish I could find a link to that claim).![]()
We could afford it as a State but almost guarantee that we wouldn't.
thirtyseven said:College Athletes are paid already!!!!
Tuition, Books, Food, Shelter, Tutors, ect...
I had to pay for all of that out of my pocket and the athletes want to complain they don't have money to go buy a video game? Cry me a river. Get a job in the summer if you want some spending money. Don't bitch that you are not getting spending money when you get more than all the other college students.
I do think that some money should go to the athletes for merchandise b/c we know many times the player is the one moving the merchandise so they should get a cut of it.
zappinpoke said:I talked to a couple players after a game a few years back and was told they got around $1100 per month stipend
jarhead said:thirtyseven said:College Athletes are paid already!!!!
Tuition, Books, Food, Shelter, Tutors, ect...
I had to pay for all of that out of my pocket and the athletes want to complain they don't have money to go buy a video game? Cry me a river. Get a job in the summer if you want some spending money. Don't bitch that you are not getting spending money when you get more than all the other college students.
I do think that some money should go to the athletes for merchandise b/c we know many times the player is the one moving the merchandise so they should get a cut of it.
Did you play football in college? The point is they don't have time to be a part of the football program, go to school, and work. College football today does not have an off season. My son was in Laramie all year! Fall season, winter conditioning and workouts, spring camp, and summer weightlifting conditioning and seven on seven workouts. Not to mention he was taking a full load of classes at the same time. Do they buy a video game now and then? Probably, but more often than not they are living off of Ramen noodles because they don't have a dollar to their name. But they bleed brown and gold for our entertainment and so the school can finance all of the other activities that generate zero revenue.
thirtyseven said:College Athletes are paid already!!!!
Tuition, Books, Food, Shelter, Tutors, ect...
I had to pay for all of that out of my pocket and the athletes want to complain they don't have money to go buy a video game? Cry me a river. Get a job in the summer if you want some spending money. Don't bitch that you are not getting spending money when you get more than all the other college students.
I do think that some money should go to the athletes for merchandise b/c we know many times the player is the one moving the merchandise so they should get a cut of it.