3. We have gotten pressure against most QBs, even Oregon's and MSU's, we flushed both out of the pocket several times, but they either found an open target or scrambled and got some yards.stymeman said:and do we even have a sack against the opponents ourselves??? sure hope this rights itself
McPeachy said:22 QB Sacks after 5 games (only 2 teams worse in FBS football) and 39 TFL.
Looking at that - it is quiet amazing we are 3 & 2 TBH. Add in the 9 TO's, and look again. 3 & 2. Wow.
Or when Colby learns to get rid of the ball when he feels the pressure.Wyo2dal said:McPeachy said:22 QB Sacks after 5 games (only 2 teams worse in FBS football) and 39 TFL.
Looking at that - it is quiet amazing we are 3 & 2 TBH. Add in the 9 TO's, and look again. 3 & 2. Wow.
Can't just blame that on the OL, The OL is better than we realize. Receivers are failing at getting separation and we already know the QB issue no reason to beat a dead horse.
Sacks will keep piling up until any resemblance of a passing game comes to fruition.
JimmyDimes said:Or when Colby learns to get rid of the ball when he feels the pressure.Wyo2dal said:McPeachy said:22 QB Sacks after 5 games (only 2 teams worse in FBS football) and 39 TFL.
Looking at that - it is quiet amazing we are 3 & 2 TBH. Add in the 9 TO's, and look again. 3 & 2. Wow.
Can't just blame that on the OL, The OL is better than we realize. Receivers are failing at getting separation and we already know the QB issue no reason to beat a dead horse.
Sacks will keep piling up until any resemblance of a passing game comes to fruition.
joshvanklomp said:Everyone expected injuries to our starting RT and RG?
Great post for QB stats.NowherePoke said:JimmyDimes said:Or when Colby learns to get rid of the ball when he feels the pressure.Wyo2dal said:McPeachy said:22 QB Sacks after 5 games (only 2 teams worse in FBS football) and 39 TFL.
Looking at that - it is quiet amazing we are 3 & 2 TBH. Add in the 9 TO's, and look again. 3 & 2. Wow.
Can't just blame that on the OL, The OL is better than we realize. Receivers are failing at getting separation and we already know the QB issue no reason to beat a dead horse.
Sacks will keep piling up until any resemblance of a passing game comes to fruition.
This is really his biggest issue. The lack of pocket presence has led to quite a few unnecessary negative plays (sacks and fumbles).
It's interesting, because if you look at Colby's passing statistics only, they aren't bad really.
Just for the heck of it (bye weeks suck), I went back and looked at our QB production over the last 11 years (why 11? because that's how far back the ESPN.com stats go and I am too lazy to look any further) and here are the relevant stats for the top QB each year:
2014: Kirkegaard (through 4 games): QB Rating = 126.1, TD/INT ratio = 5/4, YPA = 7.3, -113 yds rushing
2013: Smith: QB rating = 139.2, TD/INT ratio = 29/11, YPA = 7.23, 573 yds rushing
2012: Smith: QB rating = 157.6, TD/INT ratio = 27/6, YPA = 8.58, 248 yds rushing
2011: Smith: QB rating = 124.6, TD/INT ratio = 20/11, YPA = 6.32, 710 yds rushing
2010: ACS: QB rating = 123.3, TD/INT ratio = 9/8, YPA = 6.75, 392 yds rushing
2009: ACS: QB rating = 116, TD/INT ratio = 10/5, YPA = 6, 366 yds rushing
2008: Committee (Sween/Crum/Stutzriem): QB rating = 91.7, TD/INT ratio = 8/17, YPA = 5.1, 57 yds rushing
2007: Sween: QB rating = 108.9, TD/INT ratio = 12/17, YPA = 5.65, -121 yds rushing
2006: Sween: QB rating = 118.5, TD/INT ratio = 9/8, YPA = 6.15, -88 yds rushing
2005: Bramlet: QB rating = 125.4, TD/INT ratio = 16/18, YPA = 7.27, 109 yds rushing
2004: Bramlet: QB rating = 123, TD/INT ratio = 12/13, YPA = 7.21, 209 yds rushing
Takeaways:
1. Brett Smith was awesome
2. DC knew a thing or two about QBs (unfortuantley he knew nothing about game management or defense)
3. The 2008 QB play got Joe Glenn fired
4. Kirkegaard's stats are remarkably similar to the 2004-2006 statistics put together by Bramlet and Sween. The primary difference is that Kirkegaard take more sacks (has far more negative rushing yardage). If he could improve his pocket presence and reduce sacks and forced fumbles by turning those plays into incomplete passes, he would be on the same level as the QB play in those years.
Now, I realize that comparing a QB to Corey Bramlet and Karsten Sween is not exactly the highest of praise, but I would argue that 2004 and 2006 were the two best teams we have had over the last 15 years and they got it done with decent defense (especially in 2006) and a balanced offense. This is what Bohl is trying to get from this team. Personally, I don't think our defense is anywhere as good as those teams (especially 2006), but the MWC is a much weaker league than it was in those days.
Obviously Colby has had his struggles, but I think we are judging him somewhat harshly since our most recent frame of reference was Brett Smith. From a broader perspective, Colby's play has been closer to average/mediocre rather than subpar.
Wyo2dal said:What I take from that list of 11 years of QB's is - Colby -113 yds rushing this is his only issue. It's my only real complaint the rest are nit picking dumb shit.
He just doesn't have that QB clock, Like you watch other QB's and they are about to get sacked that 6th sense of " pocket awareness based on time " kicks in and they just avoid sacks and scramble or throw it away.
Colby does not have that at all. He only throws it away when he can see a sack coming if he doesn't see the sack it's going to be a sack or sack and fumble. He just doesn't feel pressure at all, Maybe a few more games and he will start feeling it but I dunno you play QB all your life you should already feel it.
Wow, Sween really did suck. I don't remember him being that bad outside of his last year.NowherePoke said:JimmyDimes said:Or when Colby learns to get rid of the ball when he feels the pressure.Wyo2dal said:McPeachy said:22 QB Sacks after 5 games (only 2 teams worse in FBS football) and 39 TFL.
Looking at that - it is quiet amazing we are 3 & 2 TBH. Add in the 9 TO's, and look again. 3 & 2. Wow.
Can't just blame that on the OL, The OL is better than we realize. Receivers are failing at getting separation and we already know the QB issue no reason to beat a dead horse.
Sacks will keep piling up until any resemblance of a passing game comes to fruition.
This is really his biggest issue. The lack of pocket presence has led to quite a few unnecessary negative plays (sacks and fumbles).
It's interesting, because if you look at Colby's passing statistics only, they aren't bad really.
Just for the heck of it (bye weeks suck), I went back and looked at our QB production over the last 11 years (why 11? because that's how far back the ESPN.com stats go and I am too lazy to look any further) and here are the relevant stats for the top QB each year:
2014: Kirkegaard (through 4 games): QB Rating = 126.1, TD/INT ratio = 5/4, YPA = 7.3, -113 yds rushing
2013: Smith: QB rating = 139.2, TD/INT ratio = 29/11, YPA = 7.23, 573 yds rushing
2012: Smith: QB rating = 157.6, TD/INT ratio = 27/6, YPA = 8.58, 248 yds rushing
2011: Smith: QB rating = 124.6, TD/INT ratio = 20/11, YPA = 6.32, 710 yds rushing
2010: ACS: QB rating = 123.3, TD/INT ratio = 9/8, YPA = 6.75, 392 yds rushing
2009: ACS: QB rating = 116, TD/INT ratio = 10/5, YPA = 6, 366 yds rushing
2008: Committee (Sween/Crum/Stutzriem): QB rating = 91.7, TD/INT ratio = 8/17, YPA = 5.1, 57 yds rushing
2007: Sween: QB rating = 108.9, TD/INT ratio = 12/17, YPA = 5.65, -121 yds rushing
2006: Sween: QB rating = 118.5, TD/INT ratio = 9/8, YPA = 6.15, -88 yds rushing
2005: Bramlet: QB rating = 125.4, TD/INT ratio = 16/18, YPA = 7.27, 109 yds rushing
2004: Bramlet: QB rating = 123, TD/INT ratio = 12/13, YPA = 7.21, 209 yds rushing
Takeaways:
1. Brett Smith was awesome
2. DC knew a thing or two about QBs (unfortuantley he knew nothing about game management or defense)
3. The 2008 QB play got Joe Glenn fired
4. Kirkegaard's stats are remarkably similar to the 2004-2006 statistics put together by Bramlet and Sween. The primary difference is that Kirkegaard take more sacks (has far more negative rushing yardage). If he could improve his pocket presence and reduce sacks and forced fumbles by turning those plays into incomplete passes, he would be on the same level as the QB play in those years.
Now, I realize that comparing a QB to Corey Bramlet and Karsten Sween is not exactly the highest of praise, but I would argue that 2004 and 2006 were the two best teams we have had over the last 15 years and they got it done with decent defense (especially in 2006) and a balanced offense. This is what Bohl is trying to get from this team. Personally, I don't think our defense is anywhere as good as those teams (especially 2006), but the MWC is a much weaker league than it was in those days.
Obviously Colby has had his struggles, but I think we are judging him somewhat harshly since our most recent frame of reference was Brett Smith. From a broader perspective, Colby's play has been closer to average/mediocre rather than subpar.
ragtimejoe1 said:I know our line is not great, but honestly, I thought it might have been a little worse. I said it before, but all the way around, I think the POKES are a little better than expected.