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Not that we'll win another game but

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ragtimejoe1

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Not bowl eligible now. I know it wasn't in question, but pbj couldn't even get to November with the hopes of bowl eligibility. Other than the 2020 year which I don't exclude other than there weren't as many games, you have to go back to Bohl's 2nd year. Neither DC nor Glenn will have a season this bad even in a MUCH tougher conference.

So much for avoiding attrition, blowing up the program, yadda yadda yadda.

What a freaking disaster.
 
It is like watching cancer metastasize. Can you image the atmosphere in the locker room, at practice? These kids must be so down. And their parents and families? There is so much negativity around that program. The Mountain West conference debacle is just more cancer. Everyone has given up.
 
bladerunnr said:
Just wait till the season is over and an exodus begins like we've never seen before.
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Man, hopefully the kids really do like him and he goes in there after the season and tells them about how much he really let them down. I really like our WRs now that we’re getting the ball to King, Durr, Stevenson etc. hopefully knowing that they actually have a qb can keep them here.
 
laxwyo said:
Man, hopefully the kids really do like him and he goes in there after the season and tells them about how much he really let them down. I really like our WRs now that we’re getting the ball to King, Durr, Stevenson etc. hopefully knowing that they actually have a qb can keep them here.
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Hopefully he doesn't matter after this season. Wishful thinking I know.

Honestly, we're probably splitting hairs over 2 to 4 wins next year regardless.
 
Wonder if King will play again this year. He got his bell absolutely rung on what I feel was at least border line a cheap shot. He looked like he was out cold.
 
laxwyo said:
Man, hopefully the kids really do like him and he goes in there after the season and tells them about how much he really let them down. I really like our WRs now that we’re getting the ball to King, Durr, Stevenson etc. hopefully knowing that they actually have a qb can keep them here.
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I fear Bouknight bolts from this dumpster fire and the WRs follow him out the door.
 
Well, unless a booster wants to pay several millions to buy out contracts, Burman kind of has to live with this decision for 2 years. We don’t have the luxury of just firing someone without breaking the bank and with the freedom caucus waiting to cut funding altogether for UW, we’re really screwed. I had high hopes for Sawvel, but I started to question everything once Bohl Jr. was promoted to DC. The timing of everything has Craig’s influence all over how the dominoes fell in my opinion. I think he knew exactly what was in the cupboard after Peasley, he couldn’t find another hidden gem like Allen running his pro style offense in this new era of college football, and he knew the defense was going to have a weak secondary. So he waited until December to announce retirement, knowing that a coaching search would be difficult and that he would offer his insight to who should take the reins. Hmmmm, hire the DC…that leaves an opening for his boy to get a promotion. Coincidence? At this point, mass defections might not have been all that bad if it would have meant hiring someone with actual head coaching experience! Woulda, coulda, shoulda…
Bottom line, the Pokes won several games last year by luck, so the 9-4 argument is sort of moot to me.
 
I’m not sure we will lose a lot of players in the portal. Production hasn’t been great, and many boosters will be cautious with their money. I can’t think of many players on this team who will truly benefit from the portal. I’m hoping we get a coach with a vision, and a few new portal players who want to play for a “ real” coach.
 
phxpoke said:
I’m not sure we will lose a lot of players in the portal. Production hasn’t been great, and many boosters will be cautious with their money. I can’t think of many players on this team who will truly benefit from the portal. I’m hoping we get a coach with a vision, and a few new portal players who want to play for a “ real” coach.
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The number who potentially go to the portal might not be that many, but with a slim margin of better players all it would take would be a few select players who leave that don’t get replaced with even better prospects ready to play day one to spell disaster.

The predominant recruiting strategy under Bohl was get the player here, redshirt the player and get at least 2 years of productive play time. If Bohl got 3+ years the player was a diamond. The problem was we have had too many holes here and there to cover we didn’t have enough of those diamonds to be much more than a game above .500 in MWC play in good years and often at .500 or below when the number of the diamonds were thin.

I don’t have a good feeling that Sawville will be able to bring in difference maker talent ready for prime time and it will show next season with the potential for it to be ugly if we lose just a few players who show promise now.

The portal is a gamble with a good number of everyday players going nowhere. I have no doubt Sawville can get the numbers needed for a full roster from the portal, just not the players that will change anything in the W-L column. I have no confidence this staff will be able to lure better talent than what we currently have because they have been conditioned in a system where mediocrity rules as the basis to build a team upon.

I had a chance encounter with Joe Tiller right after a QB recruit with Wyoming ties had visited (the kid went to Miami FL). Joe said he could not afford to get players who needed 2-3 years to grow up and play at an average level. He said a redshirt was very valuable but as a RS-FR he expected the player to push for playing time and the player had to at least be a dependable special teams player. The player had to be able to push for a starting spot as a RS-SO and play backup as well as the starter. If the player was unable to perform until the junior or senior year as a dependable backup he would not be able to win many games and pursue a championship.

I am skeptical we see anything different from this coaching staff but a few promising players here and there who in this era will be able to transfer easily creating a continuous start over process.
 
Cowboy20 said:
Well, unless a booster wants to pay several millions to buy out contracts, Burman kind of has to live with this decision for 2 years. We don’t have the luxury of just firing someone without breaking the bank and with the freedom caucus waiting to cut funding altogether for UW, we’re really screwed. I had high hopes for Sawvel, but I started to question everything once Bohl Jr. was promoted to DC. The timing of everything has Craig’s influence all over how the dominoes fell in my opinion. I think he knew exactly what was in the cupboard after Peasley, he couldn’t find another hidden gem like Allen running his pro style offense in this new era of college football, and he knew the defense was going to have a weak secondary. So he waited until December to announce retirement, knowing that a coaching search would be difficult and that he would offer his insight to who should take the reins. Hmmmm, hire the DC…that leaves an opening for his boy to get a promotion. Coincidence? At this point, mass defections might not have been all that bad if it would have meant hiring someone with actual head coaching experience! Woulda, coulda, shoulda…
Bottom line, the Pokes won several games last year by luck, so the 9-4 argument is sort of moot to me.
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If Burman had any ability to identify good coaches there is not a chance he hires Sawvell no matter how much Craig Bohl or anybody else wanted him to do so. The problem was that he though Jay Sawvell was going to be a good coach. That is it. Everything else is either conjecture or window dressing. Endless forum discussion about Craig Bohl playing 4 dimensional chess to create an opportunity for his son may be enjoyable (for some), but it obscures Burman's failure to identify and retain talented coaches and to move on from bad coaches.
 
Well, he did hire Bohl, Shyatt, Mattinson, & several others in sports that don’t bring in revenue. While Shroyer, Edwards, and potentially Sawvel are a bust, I’m not sure it’s all on him. My only criticism of him as the AD is that he isn’t patient with a process or a search when there are openings. I think he jumps to solve the issue with a quick fix rather than setting up a process to find the right person. His way has worked probably better than half the time, but when it doesn’t, it’s BAD.
 
Cowboy20 said:
Well, he did hire Bohl, Shyatt, Mattinson, & several others in sports that don’t bring in revenue. While Shroyer, Edwards, and potentially Sawvel are a bust, I’m not sure it’s all on him. My only criticism of him as the AD is that he isn’t patient with a process or a search when there are openings. I think he jumps to solve the issue with a quick fix rather than setting up a process to find the right person. His way has worked probably better than half the time, but when it doesn’t, it’s BAD.
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This is about the most positive comment I've heard about Burman on this board...talk about damning with faint praise.
 
Even if he was, I am sick of treating these officials as if they are donating time to a middle school program on a Saturday morning and sacrificing for us. They are paid professionals and shouldn't be immune from being called out. Of course, that might not be politically smart. But who are they to be immune from public criticism when everyone else in the whole f'in world certainly isn't. Based upon the ESPN article, he said "we have had some horses ass officiating". Call those SOB's out when they make bullshit calls (and have replay to help). The block in the back was a bullshit call by a team of moronic refs. and umps. Good for Swavell for calling them out. More should do it more loudly.
 
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