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Not as bad as we think.

kansasCowboy

kansasCowboy

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Yeah, we won35-32. Yeah, it was closer than expected. But why? Why do we expect these games to be blowouts or easily handled wins. FCS team do recruit really well. WSU is a top program in the FCS level. The Big Sky is one if not the best league in the FCS. So why do we think we'll kill these teams? Because were supposed to? I don't think so. And if you've noticed, none of these FCS schools think so either!
Oregon State who was projected to go bowling this year just got beat by Sacramento St. 29-28.
Eastern Washington took Washington (who is also projected to go bowling again this year) to the wire 27-30.
Eastern Kentucky almost beat K- State in Manhattan today 7-10.
Richmond beat Duke today 23-21.
Iowa State came back in the end to beat UNI 20-19.
Louisville struggled with Murray St a couple nights back but won 21-9.
And Tulane struggles with SE Louisiana 47-33.
We've seen the upsets in years past as well. App State beating Michigan in the Big House, Jacksonville St beating Ole miss last year. It happens, so why is it the end of the world after one game for us? Our O played great. our new freshman QB played lights out.Especially when we put up numbers like we did without having to open up the playbook. our D struggled. They did get better throughout the year last year. i see them getting better again. I'm not writing this season off after one game. And you all shouldn't either.

Besides those of you complaining on a different thread about BGSU beating up idaho, you do realize that Idho had lost their top RB from last year starting Qb, 3/4 of their top WR's and several OL and D. So was Idaho expected to beat BGSU?
 
Haha.

We'll see.......give it a few weeks. WSU is in the bottom half of the BSC this year. Wyoming still looking at 2-10 or 3-9 IMO. Glaring issues seem to have only gotten worse.
 
Were any of the teams listed as having barely escaped an FCS team conference contenders? I'm going to be lazy and not look it up, but go ahead anyway and say "NO."

This is a bad result. I don't think it can be defended.
 
Lost Poke said:
Were any of the teams listed as having barely escaped an FCS team conference contenders? I'm going to be lazy and not look it up, but go ahead anyway and say "NO."

This is a bad result. I don't think it can be defended.
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Are we a conference contender? Last I remember we predicted 6th. And amazingly not all these FCS teams are supposed to be tops in there conference either. Exception, Eastern Washington.
I gotta be honest, even Cal Poly and South Dakota St both played pretty well against AF and SDS. What were those scores? 49-21 and 37-20. These teams don't just back down, it's not just a money game to them anymore. And I will say, I think Weber st is far better than Cal Poly or South Dakota.

Now, Texas St, just got their ass handed to them by Tech 52-10. So let's see how we fair against them before we write this season off. Besides I think this last game might have embarrassed our D a little so let's see if that is incentive enough to wake them up. Plus, does it mean that TCU losing to Perennial loser big Twelve team Baylor, who is in the bottom of the league every year, mean that TCU is going to only have 4 or 5 wins this year? I doubt it.
I'm still going anywhere between 5 to 7 wins this year.
 
kansasCowboy said:
Yeah, we won35-32. Yeah, it was closer than expected. But why? Why do we expect these games to be blowouts or easily handled wins. FCS team do recruit really well. WSU is a top program in the FCS level. The Big Sky is one if not the best league in the FCS. So why do we think we'll kill these teams? Because were supposed to? I don't think so. And if you've noticed, none of these FCS schools think so either!
Oregon State who was projected to go bowling this year just got beat by Sacramento St. 29-28.
Eastern Washington took Washington (who is also projected to go bowling again this year) to the wire 27-30.
Eastern Kentucky almost beat K- State in Manhattan today 7-10.
Richmond beat Duke today 23-21.
Iowa State came back in the end to beat UNI 20-19.
Louisville struggled with Murray St a couple nights back but won 21-9.
And Tulane struggles with SE Louisiana 47-33.
We've seen the upsets in years past as well. App State beating Michigan in the Big House, Jacksonville St beating Ole miss last year. It happens, so why is it the end of the world after one game for us? Our O played great. our new freshman QB played lights out.Especially when we put up numbers like we did without having to open up the playbook. our D struggled. They did get better throughout the year last year. i see them getting better again. I'm not writing this season off after one game. And you all shouldn't either.

Besides those of you complaining on a different thread about BGSU beating up idaho, you do realize that Idho had lost their top RB from last year starting Qb, 3/4 of their top WR's and several OL and D. So was Idaho expected to beat BGSU?
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I couldn't agree more kansascowboy. To me a win is a win. I know the coaches and players will go back and work to correct the mistakes that were made last night and improve. We all knew this season was going to be a roller-coaster ride, although I'm not sure we expected it to be caused by the defense. The offense was a pleasant surprise with how well they played,and they'll have their times when they struggle. At that point is when the defense will have to rise up and carry the team.
This season could be very similar to DC's first season, where the Pokes will play with most teams and will have to eek out most of their wins. I also think that Weber St. is a much better team than most of us thought. Let's just sit back and relax we have Texas St. coming in next week and another chance for the team to grow and improve.
 
The D looked terrible, the secondary was non-existant, too many times the Weber defenders walked right into the backfield and the freshman QB had no time. Folks, Weber is a middle of the pack Big Sky school. What I saw last night was not good. Hopefully something will happen in practice that will get this team performing better. Another tight game against Texas State and it really looks like it could be another long, long season.
 
kansasCowboy said:
Lost Poke said:
Were any of the teams listed as having barely escaped an FCS team conference contenders? I'm going to be lazy and not look it up, but go ahead anyway and say "NO."

This is a bad result. I don't think it can be defended.
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Are we a conference contender? Last I remember we predicted 6th. And amazingly not all these FCS teams are supposed to be tops in there conference either. Exception, Eastern Washington.
I gotta be honest, even Cal Poly and South Dakota St both played pretty well against AF and SDS. What were those scores? 49-21 and 37-20. These teams don't just back down, it's not just a money game to them anymore. And I will say, I think Weber st is far better than Cal Poly or South Dakota.

Now, Texas St, just got their ass handed to them by Tech 52-10. So let's see how we fair against them before we write this season off. Besides I think this last game might have embarrassed our D a little so let's see if that is incentive enough to wake them up. Plus, does it mean that TCU losing to Perennial loser big Twelve team Baylor, who is in the bottom of the league every year, mean that TCU is going to only have 4 or 5 wins this year? I doubt it.
I'm still going anywhere between 5 to 7 wins this year.
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So we agree then. No chance of conference contention. Not a good team.
 
So we agree then. No chance of conference contention. Not a good team.
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Were you expecting us to contend for the conference this year? Seriously? If so, then there needs to bit of a reality check. The talent and speed on this team keeps improving with each year of DC's recruits, but we are still too young to make a run on the conference.
 
We played 11 true freshman last night. 2 of them at cornerback and another at lb and 1 at safety. It showed. O looks much improved to me although we missed picking up their blitz. Wr routes were far superior to last year and smith gives the wr more time before he tucks and runs like we saw last year. We really need to be better against the run with the DE. They got blown off the ball and the OLB did not get there in time.

I give the O a B and the D a D. Need real improvement on the D especially on the off tackle runs


My take anyway
 
I'm sorry, but there comes a time to just acknowledge that a bad team is just flat out a bad team!!! That is what Wyoming is.....a bad team. 3-9......here come the Pokes. This is CDC's worst installment yet. The Cowboys might threaten to have the nations worst defense this year. Time to get real.
 
Bah. Still 11 more games to play. Much can change in that time. I'm not impressed that we just about dropped one to an FCS team, nor that our defense gave up 314 yards passing and 227 yards rushing.

I'm also not impressed that the Weber defense stopped us. We should have easily had 3 or 4 more touch downs.

Its early in the season. I'm not ready to strike a match to my season tickets yet.
 
Here is my take, for what it's worth:

Offense
They appear to be improved over last year. However, it's important to remember that Weber State is likely the worst defense we will face all year. Brett Smith was impressive. It is obvious that DC puts an emphasis on recruiting game changing QB's. I'm cautiously optimistic about what I saw out of the O-line. That was a really bad front seven they faced though, and we will know more about how much they improved once we get further along in the season.

Defense
Whoa. That is the worst Cowboy defense I can ever recall seeing. We have decent players on that side of the ball. The problem is that they are playing out of position. Mark Nzeocha belongs at safetey. So does Ghaali Muhammad. Korey Jones is not a DE, whether he is in a 3-point stance or standing up. Devyn Harris is an outside linebacker, not a middle linebacker...at least not a MLB in a 4-3. Eddie Yarborough would make a nasty MLB. Problem is...it's too late to make a whole bunch of position changes once the season has already begun. All that speed on defense and still getting our asses kicked. That spells disaster for the Pokes this season.
 
TheRealUW said:
Here is my take, for what it's worth:

Offense
They appear to be improved over last year. However, it's important to remember that Weber State is likely the worst defense we will face all year. Brett Smith was impressive. It is obvious that DC puts an emphasis on recruiting game changing QB's. I'm cautiously optimistic about what I saw out of the O-line. That was a really bad front seven they faced though, and we will know more about how much they improved once we get further along in the season.

Defense
Whoa. That is the worst Cowboy defense I can ever recall seeing. We have decent players on that side of the ball. The problem is that they are playing out of position. Mark Nzeocha belongs at safetey. So does Ghaali Muhammad. Korey Jones is not a DE, whether he is in a 3-point stance or standing up. Devyn Harris is an outside linebacker, not a middle linebacker...at least not a MLB in a 4-3. Eddie Yarborough would make a nasty MLB. Problem is...it's too late to make a whole bunch of position changes once the season has already begun. All that speed on defense and still getting our asses kicked. That spells disaster for the Pokes this season.
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Didn't TCU put on a big clinic a few years ago and taught Boise State some defensive formations? We should have sent someone down for that.
 
J-Rod said:
I'm sorry, but there comes a time to just acknowledge that a bad team is just flat out a bad team!!! That is what Wyoming is.....a bad team. 3-9......here come the Pokes. This is CDC's worst installment yet. The Cowboys might threaten to have the nations worst defense this year. Time to get real.
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You're a dumbass!
 
J-Rod said:
laxwyo said:
You're a dumbass!
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I'm a dumbass for pointing out reality? Truth hurts, doesn't it?
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You're definitely acting like something. Seriously, read what I wrote in the thread that "theman" posted a while back on why we wouldn't succeed. National Perception, I think is what it was called. It will show you where we actually are right now. No we are not a top caliber team, but we're not the worst out there either. It's important to actaully realize what DC stepped into before he was hired here.I wrote this last week in a different thread that hold true to what is being said now. Don't blame DC. You'll see who to blame.

"As I recall, theman, Joe Glenn was in a downward spiral at Wyoming and DC inherited what was left over from Glenn, which was? No QB's, No RB's, No WR's, Hardly any OL. Why do you think we played a crap load of freshman his first year here?
Glenn's last two season's show why we struggle now. 5-7 no passing game, ran our offense under our only strength, Moore and Seldon. D played pretty crappy as well.
Glenn's last year 4-8. No passing at all. played 4 Qb's in one freaking game. Only offense was again Moore and Seldon. D played worse.
Why we are where we are today. Glenn's recruiting went stalemate three years before we got rid of him. His supposed best recruits were Sween, Bolling and Terry. none of them amounted to much.
We overachieved in DC's first year. thankfully we got to and won a bowl, but remember we were predicted last for a reason. The ball bounced the right way for us a lot in that year.
Last year was more like people predicted it would be. We were still very young, still playing incoming freshman and we did not overachieve. Plus, it was our toughest schedule to date.
This year, we are young in less area's, but still young in important area's QB, WR, OL. But do i believe we have a helluva lot more talent in those area's than we did when DC first arrived? Yes!
Joe Glenn played this place like Dana Dimel did, just without the success that Dimel had. Once Dimel was ready to leave he took his emphasis off recruiting. Same as Good ol Joe.
So, can you actually blame DC for lack of wins, when he's playing with one of the youngest teams in the nation? I'd say he's done damn well!
Remember Koenning came in to coach a team with hardly any good players, thanks to Dimel. Koenning recruited and recruited the best he could. He struggled for three years to get 5 wins. Whose fault? Dimel's. Glenn came in and began winning with Koenning's recruits. Honestly, if we would have stuck with Vic for two more years I think we would've been winning again. Probably had a btter record in the span that Glenn was here too.
So DC steps in from a mess made by the previous coach in Glenn. Glenn's emphasis was not on recruiting the last two years he was here. I remember him saying in a post game quote, "None of the coaching staff will be going out on the road to recruit this bye week, instead we will stay with the team, and love them up. they need it." What the Hell is that? That's not focusing on the future of a program!
So DC comes into another mess just like Koenning. He has faired better and has focused wholeheartedly on recruiting. So, in the end, we are on the right path. DC is doing it right.
Plus, you can't say DC is worse than Glenn for what the scores looked like against Utah, BYU and the rest of the league. Glenn (his last three years) lost to BYU 0-44, 10-35, 7-55. Beat Utah once 31-15, lost 7-40 and 0-50. UNM won 14-10, lost 0-24 and 3-20. And TCU won 24-21 (TCU was 8-5 breaking in a new QB), Lost 7-54 and 3-26.
DC's numbers aren't that much worse even look better in some area's. Lost to BYU 0-52, 20-25. Lost to Utah 10-22, 0-40. UNM won 37-13, lost 31-34. And TCU lost 10-45, 0-45.
In the end, I just don't see any of your rants as valid yet again!"
Now learn where the program is, and why changing coaches every three to six years screws us over even worse. The more turnover, the harder it is to produce. Common sense people! Give the guy his due. He did win a bowl for you. or have you forgotten already. he's brought in the schools best recruiting class, or have you forgotten already? He's played against a lot of top teams in the country or did you forget that already? Things will turn around. But I will guarantee that if we continue to go through coaches we will never improve and will never get better. When it comes to football, there is no such thing as a quick fix. Never! I've said it before and I'll remind you again. Frank Beamer, one of our top coaches in the country had 6 straight bad years at VT before he began winning. How much you want to bet that he had several fans like you calling for his head and saying, "Why have we kept this guy around? He's not capable of winning!" yet, here they are today always in the top 25 always heard about. I want that. i want a Frank Beamer to come and help our program, not constantly fire coaches after three or four years. The more turnover you have the harder it will be to win. There is no such thing as a damn quick fix! For all of you to be pissed because we are not at the same level as boise or TCU, Get over yourselves! :thumbdown:
 
kansasCowboy said:
You're definitely acting like something. Seriously, read what I wrote in the thread that "theman" posted a while back on why we wouldn't succeed. National Perception, I think is what it was called. It will show you where we actually are right now. No we are not a top caliber team, but we're not the worst out there either. It's important to actaully realize what DC stepped into before he was hired here.I wrote this last week in a different thread that hold true to what is being said now. Don't blame DC. You'll see who to blame.
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What the hell are we arguing about? I've been stating everything you said for months!!! Hell.....years!!!! You can drown this with sugar and glossy it up all you like, at the end of the day this can be summed up as saying Wyoming is simply not a good football team. I've been saying this all off-season while most Wyoming fans felt a 6-9 win season was on hand. They couldn't be further from it. There are going to be some serious bumps in the road this year, maybe worse than last year. Giving up 32 points to WSU is awful, and only putting up 35 points on an FCS team that ranked 81st in total defense last year isn't great either. The Cowboys are a bad football team, are they not? I got hammered this off-season for calling it like it is, and what do you know.....Wyoming did exactly what I thought they would. It took a 4th-and-11 miracle for them to prevent the ultimate disaster. But I'm a dumbass, right? Some fans seriously need to get real.
 
Here's the thing, J-Rod.. they won.. and put up 35 points with a true freshman running the offense. The defense was bad, but they made stops when it really counted. However, I'm going to beat you over the head with your own stats because you're not right. Weber was actually 107 in total defense.. hence why a young Cowboy offense was able to put up 35 points. However, while making your points you failed to leave out one detail.. Weber was 7th in total offense last year and returned some valuable playmakers, including a very seasoned offensive line who inflicted their will on many teams last year. Wyoming was 92 in total defense last year and returned quite a few of its starters. I think you can look around the threads here and see that many people on this site weren't claiming a multiple TD win vs. Weber, and I think the UW beat writers even said the same thing, they expected a close game. So I don't know why you're coming over here and thumping your chest telling us how bad our team is.. how about we let the season play out because we've got a lot of winnable games on this slate and if this defense can stop some drives better than it did last night there's no reason why 6-7 wins isn't possible.
 
MrTitleist said:
Here's the thing, J-Rod.. they won.. and put up 35 points with a true freshman running the offense. The defense was bad, but they made stops when it really counted. However, I'm going to beat you over the head with your own stats because you're not right. Weber was actually 107 in total defense.. hence why a young Cowboy offense was able to put up 35 points. However, while making your points you failed to leave out one detail.. Weber was 7th in total offense last year and returned some valuable playmakers, including a very seasoned offensive line who inflicted their will on many teams last year. Wyoming was 92 in total defense last year and returned quite a few of its starters. I think you can look around the threads here and see that many people on this site weren't claiming a multiple TD win vs. Weber, and I think the UW beat writers even said the same thing, they expected a close game. So I don't know why you're coming over here and thumping your chest telling us how bad our team is.. how about we let the season play out because we've got a lot of winnable games on this slate and if this defense can stop some drives better than it did last night there's no reason why 6-7 wins isn't possible.
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I guess we'll see, huh? I'm not here to thump my chest.....and there are lots of reasons to think 6-7 wins won't happen. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're just putting lipstick on a pig. I agree, lets see how the season goes.....then get back to me.
 
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