Next year

[calpoke25]

By keeping Shroyer around for another year it creates an even bigger problem, as to how much progress is enough for him to stay the next year? What if they win 5 games in conference? Thats progress? Even though that is still unacceptable the Administration could keep him around for yet another year on the grounds of making "progress"...

Next year, whoever the coach is, they need to find 8 wins in this conference, minimum.

 

[JimmyDimes]

By keeping Shroyer around for another year it creates an even bigger problem, as to how much progress is enough for him to stay the next year? What if they win 5 games in conference? Thats progress? Even though that is still unacceptable the Administration could keep him around for yet another year on the grounds of making "progress"...

Next year, whoever the coach is, they need to find 8 wins in this conference, minimum.

I think the bar should be set high for Schroyer, if he is still the coach. I think a minimun of 20 wins and a post season appearance in nothing less than the NIT...otherwise we need a change.

Excuses or not, this team was undermanned this year. Injuries are the blame for the loss of Afam and the less than stellar play of Waddell. With Afam (who will be the 2nd best player on our team next year), a healthy Waddell, a seasoned Jackson, a couple sharpshooting recruits, and a guy who pulled down 16 boards a game in JC (led the JC ranks), Heath will have no excuses.

On the bright side, if Heath can pull 20 wins out of his ass next year, the year after could be special since we only lose Thiam.

 

[Poke Around]

Let us not forget that part of the reason we have been so short-handed is that Schroyer and his butt buddy haven't done a very good job of evaluating make of players and as a result we have had six players that they have recruited in three years quit. If those six were still here we would have had two mores seniors, three more juniors and a sophomore on the team this year. If you say the players weren't good enough and so it wouldn't make a difference then that underscores a lack of ability of Schroyer and his little slick-haired partner to evlauate talent necessary to compete at this level.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Let us not forget that part of the reason we have been so short-handed is that Schroyer and his butt buddy haven't done a very good job of evaluating make of players and as a result we have had six players that they have recruited in three years quit. If those six were still here we would have had two mores seniors, three more juniors and a sophomore on the team this year. If you say the players weren't good enough and so it wouldn't make a difference then that underscores a lack of ability of Schroyer and his little slick-haired partner to evlauate talent necessary to compete at this level.

5th grade humor aside, you are correct in Schroyer's ability to evaluate talent. Linskens, Diakite, Mazatlon, and a couple of others weren't D1 material. You say quit, I say were asked to leave. And I would just as soon take our lumps now than have a crappy team with junior and seniors who couldn't play. Now we have Sylla, who should also be asked to leave. However, Jackson and Afam are budding stars in this league. And a healthy Waddell is better than what we saw most of this year.

 

[Poke Around]

Let us not forget that part of the reason we have been so short-handed is that Schroyer and his butt buddy haven't done a very good job of evaluating make of players and as a result we have had six players that they have recruited in three years quit. If those six were still here we would have had two mores seniors, three more juniors and a sophomore on the team this year. If you say the players weren't good enough and so it wouldn't make a difference then that underscores a lack of ability of Schroyer and his little slick-haired partner to evlauate talent necessary to compete at this level.

5th grade humor aside, you are correct in Schroyer's ability to evaluate talent. Linskens, Diakite, Mazatlon, and a couple of others weren't D1 material. You say quit, I say were asked to leave. And I would just as soon take our lumps now than have a crappy team with junior and seniors who couldn't play. Now we have Sylla, who should also be asked to leave. However, Jackson and Afam are budding stars in this league. And a healthy Waddell is better than what we saw most of this year.

Not arguing the fact that the players couldn't play, and if that is the reason they were asked to leave, let us remember that they were asked to come to Wyoming by the same people who told them to leave so that leaves me wondering about the ability of the people who are recruiting to evaluate the talent needed to play at this level.

 

[Cheywypoke]

First of all, all of the injuries this year definitely hurt the Cowboys. Whatever the reason, bad luck, poor strength and conditioning program, whatever, it appears that Schroyer is trying to make lemonade out of lemons with his "I'm excited," talk. And to some extent, maybe a few players -- Harrison, Jackson, Dermody (who is now gone) -- got some extra minuted because of the injuries and improved. For the Cowboys to build on the shakey foundation laid this year several things need to happen. Sylla needs to be gone and his scholarship needs to go to someone who can provide quality minutes. There's about a 30 percent chance (the quality minutes guy, not Sylla leaving) of that happening. Next, Muojeke needs to come back healthy and produce like he did early in the season. Thiam needs to improve and drastically; he has potential but lacks consistency. I think Harrison can become a valuable sixth or seventh man, who can provide quality minutes when needed. He just needs to embrace that role. M'Baye needs to find a place at the end of the bench and stay there. While Luster hasn't lived up to the hype, he does appear to be a leader. How he is in the locker room, I don't know, but I like the fact that he called out his teammates for the effort against Air Force. We need Brian Gibson, the supposed JC rebounding machine, to end up being the second coming of Dennis Rodman. If he is, he will be a starter. Cruz has to be the player that Schroyer and his JC coach say he is. He needs to be a sharpshooter. If he is, Schroyer needs to find a way to get him some open looks and often. Unfortunately, and I hate to agree with let alone quote Dave Montgomery from KFBC, he said, "None of our recruits are people that other teams are taking notice of and saying, 'did you see who Wyoming got." Montgomery's right, which means that we may have a recruit(s) coming in that spend most of there time on the bench, or worse yet, asked to leave after next year. Could there be improvment next year, sure, but will it be enough for the fans to feel good about Schroyer staying on as coach.

 

[JimmyDimes]

I'm not sure who were on our recruits. I know Montana offered Cruz and he was the MVP of his JC region last year as a freshman. I saw some video on him from the recent Region 9 tourney and the guy can shoot. He can get the ball off quick and hits over 47% from the 3. He also needs some work on defense. And screw Montgomery if he doesn't think a 16 plus board a game guy or a 3 point shooting specialist can't help. I don't think we need superstars, we need roll players. Guys who can shoot and guys who can rebound. We have Jackson and Afam (if he comes back strong) to be our play makers. Both guys have shown the ability to drive at will. With Cruz and Hudson waiting to draina three, I hope they learn to pass too.

Things can get better. It would be preferrable to have a new coach. Without a new coach, there will be no excuses.

 

[ELKMT]

I don't think juco stats mean a whole lot. Manzano had better stats then anyone and he was his regions player of the year. I just don't trust the stats and if were not competing with any quality programs for these recruits then are they really going to be good? I also have no faith in health's judgement of talent. He didn't even give our best player (Desmar) a ton of minutes until the injuries/players leaving. I hope these players are quality players but I just don't put much into juco stats.

 

[JimmyDimes]

I don't think juco stats mean a whole lot. Manzano had better stats then anyone and he was his regions player of the year. I just don't trust the stats and if were not competing with any quality programs for these recruits then are they really going to be good? I also have no faith in health's judgement of talent. He didn't even give our best player (Desmar) a ton of minutes until the injuries/players leaving. I hope these players are quality players but I just don't put much into juco stats.

I agree a person can't rely on JUCO stats to determine how they will play at the next level. But, I will say a shooter is a shooter regardless. If a kid can shoot 47% from behind the arc in JUCO, I think he will shoot pretty well at the D1 level too. Dermody had plenty of wide open shots and coudn't hit them consistently. A person who shoots 47% from the arc will be able to make those shots consistenty.

The rebounder led JUCO ball. That might not translate into, but he can rebound (he is a 6'9" with a big body vs someone like Thiam who is 6'9" and weighs less than 200 lbs.).

In regards to Manzano, he scored a lot, but shot a poor percentage. Plus, he was like every other player Heath has recruited....a slasher. Now we have two proven slashers in Jackson and Afam.

 

[Aaron]

My worry about Cruz is if Heath changes his shit like he has in the past. Look at Platt. He has the oddest shot Ive ever seen before but could hit a lot of shots and once he was told to change his form he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

 

[Poke Around]

Can't wait to see which players becoming Schroyer's whipping boys in practice next year and whether they will endure is constant vulgarity filled verbal attacks.

 

[TheRealUW]

Can't wait to see which players becoming Schroyer's whipping boys in practice next year and whether they will endure is constant vulgarity filled verbal attacks.

This is major college sports. If you are an athelete, you better be prepared to take some verbal abuse. This team needs to develop some mental toughness anyways. If they can't handle a little verbal heat, then I don't want them on our team. I don't care how many points they score or if they can shoot 75% from half court. You can't depend on those types of players when times get tough.

Hell, I was watching Kentucky play today and John Calapari was within inches of several players faces screaming like a maniac. He even sent a player to the locker room when he had something to say back. If you win, all that screaming is called "tough-nosed, disciplined coaching". When you lose, it quickly becomes "verbal abuse". Funny how that works.

PS No, I am not supporting Schroyer as a coach. He sucks and deserves to be fired.

 

[Poke Around]

Can't wait to see which players becoming Schroyer's whipping boys in practice next year and whether they will endure is constant vulgarity filled verbal attacks.

This is major college sports. If you are an athelete, you better be prepared to take some verbal abuse. This team needs to develop some mental toughness anyways. If they can't handle a little verbal heat, then I don't want them on our team. I don't care how many points they score or if they can shoot 75% from half court. You can't depend on those types of players when times get tough.

Hell, I was watching Kentucky play today and John Calapari was within inches of several players faces screaming like a maniac. He even sent a player to the locker room when he had something to say back. If you win, all that screaming is called "tough-nosed, disciplined coaching". When you lose, it quickly becomes "verbal abuse". Funny how that works.

PS No, I am not supporting Schroyer as a coach. He sucks and deserves to be fired.

Couldn't disagree more. There is a huge difference between tough-nosed, disciplined coaching and verbal abuse. it startgs with in tough-nosec discplined coaching there is fricking coaching, not just vulgar outbursts from some bully loudmouth. And if you think there is any coaching going on this Schroyer and slick-Willie then you haven't watched this team for three years. And if you ever talked to those around the program they will tell you what Schroyer does is finding a whipping boy and he berates him until he quits. Then he finds the next victim. It's like he has to single out one player show he can show everybody how tough he is. It would be nice if he could show everybody some semblance to a plan. It would be nice if he would shout out coaching instructions during games. Hell, he keeps trying to help the refs do their jobs. Maybe they should help him do his because the refs are a lot better at what they are paid to do than he is.

 

[Dread_Pirate_Cowboy]

We are stuck with Shroyer until we can afford his buyout. With the athletic department taking cuts, there's no way we are buying out 3 years of his contract. Therefore, the best indicator of the future success of our basketball team is coal and natural gas prices. If they are up this year, we have money next year, and we can hire a basketball coach. If they stay down, look for a couple more years of Heath. Wish he'd stop making all the excuses and just say "Hey, you're stuck with me."

 

[WYCowboy]

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