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Next Year

BeaverPoke said:
I think the goals should be: 20 wins, ABOVE .500 in MWC play, MWC Tourney Championship, Adams being named MWC POY, and Adams getting drafted.
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I like your optimism, I just hope you're not calling the team a failure next year if we fall short of a tourney championship.
 
Reminds me of the old cliché: "today is the first day of the rest of your life".

Assuming kids start paying attention to CBB (at a level deeper than their 1 favorite team) at about 8th grade, the entire recruiting classes only know Wyoming for 20+ win seasons and consistent post-season appearances. They don't know or care about what our RPI was during those years. We have finally shed our horrific past, laid a foundation, and now the construction can begin.

We will see what kind of house Shyatt builds over the next 3 years. His first task was putting out the dumpster fire, getting rid of the dumpster, and then putting pieces in place for a real program.

We haven't "arrived" yet, but phase 1 is complete and a job well done.
 
BeaverPoke said:
Here is my break down on players.

Returning Starter: Josh Adams

Likely candidates to start: Herndon, McManamen,

Has potential to start or heavily contribute: Barnes, Conway, Washington, Tyrell Williams, Morris Marshall, Justin James.

This team has the ability to win a lot of games depending on how the OOC scheduling is, how Adams takes control of a team, how much of a true leader Adams becomes, how teams play him, and how much our players step up.

I feel that this coming season will show how good of coaches and recruiters we have at Wyoming. The freshman should be talented to contribute immediately. The sophomores should be a mix of talented (Trey) and developed (Barnes) to contribute. The juniors should be developed enough to play at a high level (McManamen and Morris). Our lone senior, providing we don't get any graduate players, will be marked as a potential player of the year in the MWC.

We will be a new team, different style, different tempo, etc.

There is this idea of that Shyatt has been building something. Think about it, every coach at Wyoming is always just building to get his style in play. McClain (after Bailey left), Schroyer, Shyatt part 2. Glenn, Christensen, Bohl. They never get there (I know it's too early for Bohl, just pointing out how we are building for his style).

But now? It's been built. We had the seniors. We won a freaking MWC CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! We went DANCING!
It's been built. Wyoming and Shyatt have arrived. Now, it's time to stay there. Shyatt built it up throughout the last 4 seasons. We never really get this far. Coaches get fired before then. It's time to see if the coaches built something sustainable or not.

If Wyoming makes the Dance again, I think we have a GREAT coach because there is no way Adams could do it by himself (unless of course we go like 10-20 and win the MWC Tourney).
If Wyoming goes sub-.500 then we may have an issue.
I expect somewhere inbetween.
I would love to win another MWC Championship (regular or Tourney) and go Dancing again, but I am mostly interested to see how the team competes and transitions with new players, and see how we do in MWC play.

I think the goals should be: 20 wins, ABOVE .500 in MWC play, MWC Tourney Championship, Adams being named MWC POY, and Adams getting drafted.
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No mention of Lieberman or Gorski? I think those two will be major contributor next year unless they decide to redshirt. Lieberman, man, I can't understand what happened. He basically won us the CSU game with his play in the first half and then we don't see him the rest of the season. I still think every single minute Bentz played should have gone to Lieberman.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
Reminds me of the old cliché: "today is the first day of the rest of your life".

Assuming kids start paying attention to CBB (at a level deeper than their 1 favorite team) at about 8th grade, the entire recruiting classes only know Wyoming for 20+ win seasons and consistent post-season appearances. They don't know or care about what our RPI was during those years. We have finally shed our horrific past, laid a foundation, and now the construction can begin.

We will see what kind of house Shyatt builds over the next 3 years. His first task was putting out the dumpster fire, getting rid of the dumpster, and then putting pieces in place for a real program.

We haven't "arrived" yet, but phase 1 is complete and a job well done.
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Agree. I will still hold to 6-12 to 9-9 next year come conf play. I took some time last night and looked up the returners for each conf team, and what talent they all have coming back. Just looking at it right now (pre transfers and maybe leaving early to go pro) this is how I stack the ranks for next year:

1. SDSU- always top talent and very well coached. Even when they seem to be down
2. FSU- they return everybody! And they have been on the cusp the last few years
3. BSU- Drimic and 3/5 starters return, along with a solid recruiting class
4. UNLV- as bad as we think they are, they will return some of the top talent in the league
5. USU- they have everything in place, now it just depends on who they get for a coach
6. UNM- they are very deep and return Neal from injury
7. WYO- EXTREMELY YOUNG. Adams the only true talent, stacked with more raw potential than any other team
8. CSU- still have some good players, and lost key players like WYO, Shy gets the nod over Eust. In coaching
9. AFA- brings back good talent in Kocur and Graham. They always play tougher than they look
10. Nev- West and Coleman lead the way. Have the potential to be really good, their docking comes from coaching and recruiting
11. SJS- they bring back 4/5 starters. A lot of talent, and a decent recruit coming in. The will be leaps and bounds better

Yes, I believe FSU will be up in the top of the league next year. They kind of remind me of WYO this year. A lot of teams were lucky to get by them last year. And they did finish 10-8. I think they will build on that.
A lot of these could easily be interchangeable, but this is my overall perspective of them. Things could change between now and the start of the season.
WYO young players will have their work cut out for them every single conf game. Even SJS and Nev are no pushovers.
And even at looking at this I still see 6-12 to 9-9. That is still very good for being the team that lost the most talent and playmakers.
20 wins? I definitely question, and I think can only be seen through brown and gold glasses. But then again, coach Shy has done more with less talent before...
 
kansasCowboy said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
Reminds me of the old cliché: "today is the first day of the rest of your life".

Assuming kids start paying attention to CBB (at a level deeper than their 1 favorite team) at about 8th grade, the entire recruiting classes only know Wyoming for 20+ win seasons and consistent post-season appearances. They don't know or care about what our RPI was during those years. We have finally shed our horrific past, laid a foundation, and now the construction can begin.

We will see what kind of house Shyatt builds over the next 3 years. His first task was putting out the dumpster fire, getting rid of the dumpster, and then putting pieces in place for a real program.

We haven't "arrived" yet, but phase 1 is complete and a job well done.
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Agree. I will still hold to 6-12 to 9-9 next year come conf play. I took some time last night and looked up the returners for each conf team, and what talent they all have coming back. Just looking at it right now (pre transfers and maybe leaving early to go pro) this is how I stack the ranks for next year:

1. SDSU- always top talent and very well coached. Even when they seem to be down
2. FSU- they return everybody! And they have been on the cusp the last few years
3. BSU- Drimic and 3/5 starters return, along with a solid recruiting class
4. UNLV- as bad as we think they are, they will return some of the top talent in the league
5. USU- they have everything in place, now it just depends on who they get for a coach
6. UNM- they are very deep and return Neal from injury
7. WYO- EXTREMELY YOUNG. Adams the only true talent, stacked with more raw potential than any other team
8. CSU- still have some good players, and lost key players like WYO, Shy gets the nod over Eust. In coaching
9. AFA- brings back good talent in Kocur and Graham. They always play tougher than they look
10. Nev- West and Coleman lead the way. Have the potential to be really good, their docking comes from coaching and recruiting
11. SJS- they bring back 4/5 starters. A lot of talent, and a decent recruit coming in. The will be leaps and bounds better

Yes, I believe FSU will be up in the top of the league next year. They kind of remind me of WYO this year. A lot of teams were lucky to get by them last year. And they did finish 10-8. I think they will build on that.
A lot of these could easily be interchangeable, but this is my overall perspective of them. Things could change between now and the start of the season.
WYO young players will have their work cut out for them every single conf game. Even SJS and Nev are no pushovers.
And even at looking at this I still see 6-12 to 9-9. That is still very good for being the team that lost the most talent and playmakers.
20 wins? I definitely question, and I think can only be seen through brown and gold glasses. But then again, coach Shy has done more with less talent before...
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Who has the most incoming freshman talent? UNLV? UNM? SDSU? We have to be close. Our class looks legit
 
kansasCowboy said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
Reminds me of the old cliché: "today is the first day of the rest of your life".

Assuming kids start paying attention to CBB (at a level deeper than their 1 favorite team) at about 8th grade, the entire recruiting classes only know Wyoming for 20+ win seasons and consistent post-season appearances. They don't know or care about what our RPI was during those years. We have finally shed our horrific past, laid a foundation, and now the construction can begin.

We will see what kind of house Shyatt builds over the next 3 years. His first task was putting out the dumpster fire, getting rid of the dumpster, and then putting pieces in place for a real program.

We haven't "arrived" yet, but phase 1 is complete and a job well done.
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Agree. I will still hold to 6-12 to 9-9 next year come conf play. I took some time last night and looked up the returners for each conf team, and what talent they all have coming back. Just looking at it right now (pre transfers and maybe leaving early to go pro) this is how I stack the ranks for next year:

1. SDSU- always top talent and very well coached. Even when they seem to be down
2. FSU- they return everybody! And they have been on the cusp the last few years
3. BSU- Drimic and 3/5 starters return, along with a solid recruiting class
4. UNLV- as bad as we think they are, they will return some of the top talent in the league
5. USU- they have everything in place, now it just depends on who they get for a coach
6. UNM- they are very deep and return Neal from injury
7. WYO- EXTREMELY YOUNG. Adams the only true talent, stacked with more raw potential than any other team
8. CSU- still have some good players, and lost key players like WYO, Shy gets the nod over Eust. In coaching
9. AFA- brings back good talent in Kocur and Graham. They always play tougher than they look
10. Nev- West and Coleman lead the way. Have the potential to be really good, their docking comes from coaching and recruiting
11. SJS- they bring back 4/5 starters. A lot of talent, and a decent recruit coming in. The will be leaps and bounds better

Yes, I believe FSU will be up in the top of the league next year. They kind of remind me of WYO this year. A lot of teams were lucky to get by them last year. And they did finish 10-8. I think they will build on that.
A lot of these could easily be interchangeable, but this is my overall perspective of them. Things could change between now and the start of the season.
WYO young players will have their work cut out for them every single conf game. Even SJS and Nev are no pushovers.
And even at looking at this I still see 6-12 to 9-9. That is still very good for being the team that lost the most talent and playmakers.
20 wins? I definitely question, and I think can only be seen through brown and gold glasses. But then again, coach Shy has done more with less talent before...
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I'm not sure Caesar G. is coming back. I think he might be in too much trouble academically.
 
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
Who has the most incoming freshman talent? UNLV? UNM? SDSU? We have to be close. Our class looks legit
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We have a 3*, a 2*, a JuCo, and 2 unranked guys.

SDSU has a 4* and a 2*.

UNLV has a 4* (#3 SF in the country) and a 3*

New Mexico has three 3*

Fresno has a 3*

CSU has a 3*, a Juco, and 2 unranked guys. Very similar to our class, just not replacing as many guys.

Utah State has a 3* and an unranked guy.

San Jose State has a 4*, a 3*, and an unranked guy.

Nevada has an unranked guy.

Boise has a 4* and a 3*

Air Force has two 2* and 5 unranked.
 
BeaverPoke said:
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
Who has the most incoming freshman talent? UNLV? UNM? SDSU? We have to be close. Our class looks legit
Click to expand...

We have a 3*, a 2*, a JuCo, and 2 unranked guys.

SDSU has a 4* and a 2*.

UNLV has a 4* (#3 SF in the country) and a 3*

New Mexico has three 3*

Fresno has a 3*

CSU has a 3*, a Juco, and 2 unranked guys. Very similar to our class, just not replacing as many guys.

Utah State has a 3* and an unranked guy.

San Jose State has a 4*, a 3*, and an unranked guy.

Nevada has an unranked guy.

Boise has a 4* and a 3*

Air Force has two 2* and 5 unranked.
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The only place I haven't seen James a 3* is on Scout...and they haven't given him any stars yet. Conway and James are the top two on paper. But the other guys should be pretty good too. What I do know is in Shyatt's 4 seasons, aside from the injuries, he has had his teams competing at the top of the conference. I expect some growing pains, but think the talent coming in is better than the outgoing talent. Right now I think we finish around 4th.
 
BeaverPoke said:
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
Who has the most incoming freshman talent? UNLV? UNM? SDSU? We have to be close. Our class looks legit
Click to expand...

We have a 3*, a 2*, a JuCo, and 2 unranked guys.

SDSU has a 4* and a 2*.

UNLV has a 4* (#3 SF in the country) and a 3*

New Mexico has three 3*

Fresno has a 3*

CSU has a 3*, a Juco, and 2 unranked guys. Very similar to our class, just not replacing as many guys.

Utah State has a 3* and an unranked guy.

San Jose State has a 4*, a 3*, and an unranked guy.

Nevada has an unranked guy.

Boise has a 4* and a 3*

Air Force has two 2* and 5 unranked.
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Our unranked guy is considered to be the start of our class, though.
 
JimmyDimes said:
BeaverPoke said:
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
Who has the most incoming freshman talent? UNLV? UNM? SDSU? We have to be close. Our class looks legit
Click to expand...

We have a 3*, a 2*, a JuCo, and 2 unranked guys.

SDSU has a 4* and a 2*.

UNLV has a 4* (#3 SF in the country) and a 3*

New Mexico has three 3*

Fresno has a 3*

CSU has a 3*, a Juco, and 2 unranked guys. Very similar to our class, just not replacing as many guys.

Utah State has a 3* and an unranked guy.

San Jose State has a 4*, a 3*, and an unranked guy.

Nevada has an unranked guy.

Boise has a 4* and a 3*

Air Force has two 2* and 5 unranked.
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The only place I haven't seen James a 3* is on Scout...and they haven't given him any stars yet. Conway and James are the top two on paper. But the other guys should be pretty good too. What I do know is in Shyatt's 4 seasons, aside from the injuries, he has had his teams competing at the top of the conference. I expect some growing pains, but think the talent coming in is better than the outgoing talent. Right now I think we finish around 4th.
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I pulled those numbers from ESPN, so apparently it's not just Scout that doesn't have James as a 3.

And yes, I expect Shyatt to continue to develop and perform at a high level, but Wyo finished 4th this season. I highly doubt we do just as well next year as we did this year.

Maybe the incoming talent will be better than this years outgoing talent when they are juniors or seniors, hell maybe even sophomores, but as freshmen? I doubt the incoming class (and RS-frosh) will be as good as Nance, Cooke, Grabau, and Hankerson were this last season.

It's not like we just got a Top 25 recruiting class or anything. Plus Shyatt is a development guy. Highly unlikely the freshman carry us the way the seniors just did. If they do, we better be going to the Final 4 their senior year.
 
we'll be down but not outta it, and yes i'm eagerly waiting to see what Larry does with this young group, can it start soon...already going thru withdrawls...lol
 
kansasCowboy said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
Reminds me of the old cliché: "today is the first day of the rest of your life".

Assuming kids start paying attention to CBB (at a level deeper than their 1 favorite team) at about 8th grade, the entire recruiting classes only know Wyoming for 20+ win seasons and consistent post-season appearances. They don't know or care about what our RPI was during those years. We have finally shed our horrific past, laid a foundation, and now the construction can begin.

We will see what kind of house Shyatt builds over the next 3 years. His first task was putting out the dumpster fire, getting rid of the dumpster, and then putting pieces in place for a real program.

We haven't "arrived" yet, but phase 1 is complete and a job well done.
Click to expand...

Agree. I will still hold to 6-12 to 9-9 next year come conf play. I took some time last night and looked up the returners for each conf team, and what talent they all have coming back. Just looking at it right now (pre transfers and maybe leaving early to go pro) this is how I stack the ranks for next year:

1. SDSU- always top talent and very well coached. Even when they seem to be down
2. FSU- they return everybody! And they have been on the cusp the last few years
3. BSU- Drimic and 3/5 starters return, along with a solid recruiting class
4. UNLV- as bad as we think they are, they will return some of the top talent in the league
5. USU- they have everything in place, now it just depends on who they get for a coach
6. UNM- they are very deep and return Neal from injury
7. WYO- EXTREMELY YOUNG. Adams the only true talent, stacked with more raw potential than any other team
8. CSU- still have some good players, and lost key players like WYO, Shy gets the nod over Eust. In coaching
9. AFA- brings back good talent in Kocur and Graham. They always play tougher than they look
10. Nev- West and Coleman lead the way. Have the potential to be really good, their docking comes from coaching and recruiting
11. SJS- they bring back 4/5 starters. A lot of talent, and a decent recruit coming in. The will be leaps and bounds better
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I like that list and pretty much agree with it. Wyo has a chance to climb it but Adams needs to be a legit star (16+ ppg) and we need A LOT of young players who haven't shown much yet to step up.
 
I'm so excited for next year!! So many unknowns, it's gonna be fun to go through the highs and lows.

God, I'm depressed thinking about how far Wyoming basketball is away from next season. These are gonna be a long 8 months. Oh well, at least burger king brought back chicken fries!
 
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
I can't freakin' wait for next season!!! I am curious, when will the university announce the upcoming schedule? Is there a deadline?
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Expect late July for the final schedule. Some teams that are on the schedule may be announced before then but the final dates and everything should be sometime between June and August.

2014-2015 schedule was announced July 31, 2014
2013-2014 OOC schedule was announced June 26, 2013
2012-2013 schedule was announced August 17, 2012
 
Pretty much a 75% rebuild in my opinion. But with what will probably be a similar OOC schedule, we should still get to the 20 win mark - which in a rebuild year is great.

I don't see anyone on the current roster, or coming in, that can fill the void left by 4 1/2 seniors.
 
McPeachy said:
Pretty much a 75% rebuild in my opinion. But with what will probably be a similar OOC schedule, we should still get to the 20 win mark - which in a rebuild year is great.

I don't see anyone on the current roster, or coming in, that can fill the void left by 4 1/2 seniors.
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Not in leadership. I agree completely. I think they can replace straight skill though. This is without a doubt the best recruiting class Wyoming has had in the last two decades, maybe ever....
 
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