That would explain why there isn't much coaching going on I guess......and actually the program was built before bohl took over there he just continued the direction ov the program and I'm sure did help it during the way , but I love when coaches come in and turn a program around with players that might not be exactly what the coach is looking for......that's coaching , and I thought that's what we were getting but it is going to be a complete tear down of the program then it will have to be pieced together.
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SDPokeFan
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That could be Wyoming. But we're happy being 2-10 each year in FBS. I happened to watch the North Dakota State/Jacksonville State game. On ESPN. Have been hearing about NDSU for a week since. But I thought they were irrelevant? Must have been nice to storm the field after that game. As a Wyoming fan, none of us will ever know that feeling unless we celebrate the New Mexico Bowl we qualify for in seven years.
BeaverPoke
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laxwyo said:
With what McPeachy alluded to, we are CU, and NDSU is Boise State. Yeah, it's building a program, but the wrong program.
ragtimejoe1
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NDSU was/is a top level FCS school. Among the best facilities, budgets, etc. in that division. The program had sustained success prior to Bohl and sustained success after Bohl.
What does that mean about Bohl at Wyoming? Nothing.
Bohl doesn't have experience building a program from nothing or handicapped with low budgets, low visibility school (relative to peers--remember NDSU is and has been a big dog in those lower divisions for awhile), etc.
Bohl's tenure at NDSU isn't that predictive (either way) of his chances at success here. He isn't a guaranteed failure or guaranteed success. After he completes his 4th year we'll know if the Bohl experiment is working or not.
What does that mean about Bohl at Wyoming? Nothing.
Bohl doesn't have experience building a program from nothing or handicapped with low budgets, low visibility school (relative to peers--remember NDSU is and has been a big dog in those lower divisions for awhile), etc.
Bohl's tenure at NDSU isn't that predictive (either way) of his chances at success here. He isn't a guaranteed failure or guaranteed success. After he completes his 4th year we'll know if the Bohl experiment is working or not.
joshvanklomp
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NDSU had ZERO success prior to Bohl at the FCS level.ragtimejoe1 said:
JimmyDimes
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He also took them up a division.....like them going from FCS to FBS.....and built a winner there. This was unprecedented because they played in a division below FCS until moving up in 2008. And I'll throw in 7-3 on the road against FBS teams.laxwyo said:
Just another example of fans not liking Bohl and not giving him any credit. Haters are going to hate applies here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Bohl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ragtimejoe1
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Even when they moved up, NDSU had facilities and budgets equivalent to the upper end of FCS. Bohl's hurdle with the move up was much smaller than moving WYO to the upper end of the MWC. That and the winning infrastructure was well established at NDSU. It would be like taking the Florida Gators, UCLA, Mich State, or such on a NC run. Definitely a big accomplishment but not nearly like taking Kansas on a NC run.
NDSU to WYO is an apples to oranges comparison.
Bohl has not had to deal with or win while handicapped with limitations that are found at WYO.
Like I said, that doesn't mean anything, really. He was/is a solid hire. He chose his path to rebuild and now we see if it works.
His NDSU tenure just doesn't mean much in terms of predictive value of his success at WYO--good or bad.
NDSU to WYO is an apples to oranges comparison.
Bohl has not had to deal with or win while handicapped with limitations that are found at WYO.
Like I said, that doesn't mean anything, really. He was/is a solid hire. He chose his path to rebuild and now we see if it works.
His NDSU tenure just doesn't mean much in terms of predictive value of his success at WYO--good or bad.
WestWYOPoke
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SDPokeFan said:
Right...cuz in the fantasy world you live in where we drop a division, every coach and player would definitely stay on the team and not GTFO immediately.
Does NDSU have top facilities? They don't even own their own stadium, do they? They certainly can't practice in it every day.
PokeOLoco
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At the FCS level I think they're pretty good, there's a lot of crappy programs with crappy stadiums (or fields) that average 4,000 per game. I don't believe they or UND own their own stadium, they are more local/regional entertainment venues. someone correct me if I'm wrong.
ragtimejoe1
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Fargodome is owned by Fargo, so if your "facilities grade" is dependent on ownership then, no, they don't have good facilities.
In terms of FCS venues, it consistently ranks highly. 2 examples:
http://www.stadiumjourney.com/news/01-15-2014/541/2013-fcs-college-football-stadium-rankings/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/05/31/in-fcs-huddle-road-trip-to-best-fcs-stadiums.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In terms of FCS venues, it consistently ranks highly. 2 examples:
http://www.stadiumjourney.com/news/01-15-2014/541/2013-fcs-college-football-stadium-rankings/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/05/31/in-fcs-huddle-road-trip-to-best-fcs-stadiums.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ragtimejoe1 said:
Facilities is much more than just a football stadium.. as we've seen in the MW, having a training center, indoor practice facility, etc are what make or break teams.. not sure NDSU has any of that.
ragtimejoe1
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MrTitleist said:
I've peripherally seen (been by, seen photos, etc.) of NDSU facilities and they seemed decent. Do most other FCS schools have IPFs and such? The football stadium is about the only thing I've seen ranked for FCS-like schools.
I have never been under the impression that NDSU was doing more with less. Am I wrong?
ragtimejoe1 said:
FCS schools are trending that way.. at least, the high end schools. Many schools are poor and barely get 500-2000 people at their home games. The Big Sky runs the gamut.. at the top, Montana/MSU average 25,000 and 17,000 at their home games, at the bottom Southern Utah and Northern Colorado average around 1000-2000. Montana is building a HATC like complex, construction underway.. only a $14 million dollar complex compared to Wyoming's $44 million.
Conferences like the NEC, MEAC have poor ($$$) teams, terrible attendance. Big Sky, MVFC, and CAA are the FCS equivalent to SEC, ACC, PAC12.
I would probably say a little both to your second statement.
