jbeiermann
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SnowyRange
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It's nearly the opposite, actually.
BeaverPoke
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SnowyRange said:
Not necessarily.
Either one of three options:
A- Bohl built such a great program, it is still maintaining elite success. Bohl is legit.
B- NDSU continuing to win shows that Bohl wasn't the key to that program and Bohl may not be legit.
C- Somewhere between A and B.
Hopefully it's closer to A. But I doubt it.
SnowyRange
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Fair enough on the options, and I know you doubt it's A.
But, leaving Bohl out of it (as of course time will tell on him), my point was that very good college coaches build programs, they don't merely coach up some given group of kids, which is why their programs continue with success after they leave.
joshvanklomp
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Why would you doubt it, other than the fact you have a personal agenda against Bohl?BeaverPoke said:
NDSU's continued success shouldn't diminish Bohl's impact on the program. Or do you believe Florida State continuing to win shows that Bowden wasn't the key to that program and may not be legit?
I'm thinking it's in between, the kids here are not getting outstanding coaching looks like and I think that ndsu happen to run across some players that can get it done , idk if it's just by chance or recruiting, it will be clear after next football season. Ndsu has always had strong teams with winning records since div2 they have only had a few years with more losses then wins and they were quite some time ago , Bohl had 4 championships in 10 years ..... new coach has had 2 in 2 years.
BeaverPoke
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joshvanklomp said:
Lol
NebraskaCowboy
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Personally, I believe the success that they have had recently can be attributed to Coach Bohl. Don't forget Wentz was one of his recruits. He implemented a system and few changes have been made which has helped lead to continued success. I know you people don't like the word process but even Dabo Swinney made a comment about how it's all a process. While these first two years haven't been fun, next year will be a better indication of things to come.
joshvanklomp
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They were a good program at the Division II level. Bohl turned them into a dynasty at the FCS level.Hampshire said:
He didn't have any. I believe the worst he went was 4-8. That said, he didn't follow a spread coach and many other things.
The NDSU coaches haven't changed much since Bohl left. They are still following much of the plan he put in place. The true determining factor will be after 5 years after Bohl left. If they are capable of executing his plan, they will be successful. How successful? I don't know. If they are just riding things out, things should start falling apart for them in the next year or two.
I don't know if CB will get it done at Wyoming. Certainly they pay the coaches more than they did at NDSU. But the situation he inherited coming into Wyoming is a completely different one than at NDSU.
The NDSU coaches haven't changed much since Bohl left. They are still following much of the plan he put in place. The true determining factor will be after 5 years after Bohl left. If they are capable of executing his plan, they will be successful. How successful? I don't know. If they are just riding things out, things should start falling apart for them in the next year or two.
I don't know if CB will get it done at Wyoming. Certainly they pay the coaches more than they did at NDSU. But the situation he inherited coming into Wyoming is a completely different one than at NDSU.
So ya cb took over a successful program and they grew together, so here it sure has been a rough start , sometimes you need to do creative things and really coach kids up to be competitive , I believe that we do have the athletes to be competitive and should of the last few years , I see so many people blaming it on the athletes. ......I sure do not think that's the problem at all. The coaches should say the same but they will not.
I believe Bohl's system can work at Wyoming, the question in my mind is can the defensive coaches he has now implement his system enough for it to be effective?
Someone I know who was very close to the team and Bohl at NDSU told me that Bohl's greatest attribute is evaluating talent that gets overlooked by other programs.
Carson Wentz was a no star recruit from Bismarck, ND, and was not heavily recruited by other schools.
"It wasn’t until past the midway point of his senior year at Century before Missouri Valley Football Conference schools like Southern Illinois, South Dakota State, North Dakota and NDSU contacted him, Wingenbach said.
“Even then, it was lukewarm, more of an inquiry,” he said.
The heat turned up when Central Michigan of the FBS Mid-American Conference entered the picture. CMU head coach Dan Enos was formerly an offensive coordinator at NDSU.... But by the time Central Michigan was about to offer, Carson said he made up his mind. NDSU was the place."
Someone I know who was very close to the team and Bohl at NDSU told me that Bohl's greatest attribute is evaluating talent that gets overlooked by other programs.
Carson Wentz was a no star recruit from Bismarck, ND, and was not heavily recruited by other schools.
"It wasn’t until past the midway point of his senior year at Century before Missouri Valley Football Conference schools like Southern Illinois, South Dakota State, North Dakota and NDSU contacted him, Wingenbach said.
“Even then, it was lukewarm, more of an inquiry,” he said.
The heat turned up when Central Michigan of the FBS Mid-American Conference entered the picture. CMU head coach Dan Enos was formerly an offensive coordinator at NDSU.... But by the time Central Michigan was about to offer, Carson said he made up his mind. NDSU was the place."
JimmyDimes
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Agreed. The guys who just won the title for the 5 straight time were Bohl recruits....unless NDSU is winning with underclassmen. And with all the youth in the Wyoming program, the only way to go from here is UP.NebraskaCowboy said:
Go Pokes!!
LanderPoke
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The next three two or three season for the Bison will tell if it's Bohl or not. Give it time for Bohl's mark to wash off. Too hard to tell right now.
