National Title game....

[WestWYOPoke]

Using transitive property and a bowl game result to argue for UCF is just silly. Reality is, UCF schedule was soft, ranked in the triple digits actually. 10-12 teams run the table against their schedule. Like it or not, the deck is stacked against Group of 5 teams. They have very little margin for error and going undefeated in conference play is the bare minimum they have to do to prove themselves. Playing Austin Peay, Florida International and Maryland isn't going to cut it outside of a major conference.

Loads of teams could have run the table against UCF's schedule, like Alabama and Georgia, oh wait...

What point are you trying to make here?

He's saying that UCF beat Auburn, who beat both Alabama and Georgia. So he is effectively saying that Alabama and Georgia couldn't go undefeated against one of the teams that UCF beat.

 

[Poke in New England]

Playing Austin Peay, Florida International and Maryland isn't going to cut it outside of a major conference.

I get what you are trying to say here, but you do realize Maryland is in a 'major conference', right?

They suck, but they are in P5.

I do realize. But when you have one or two consistently middling P5 teams on your schedule as your "premier" games, you run the risk of them being garbage.

Boise State on the other hand:

2006: Oregon State (W 45-0)
Fiesta Bowl: No. 10 Oklahoma (W 43-42 OT)

2007: at Washington (L 10-24)

2008: at No. 12 Oregon (W 37-32)

2009: No. 14 Oregon (W 19-8)

2010: No. 6 Virginia Tech (W 33-30)
Oregon State (W 37-24)

2011: No. 22 Georgia (W 35-21)
Las Vegas Bowl: Arizona State (W 56-24)

2012: at No. 13 Michigan State (L 13-17)
Las Vegas Bowl: Washington (W 28-26)

2013: at Washington (L 6-38)
Hawaii Bowl: Oregon State (L 23-28)

2014: vs. No 19 Ole Miss (L 13-35)
Fiesta Bowl: No. 11 Arizona (W 38-30)

2015: Washington (W 16-13)
at Virginia (W 56-14)

2016: Washington State (W 31-28)
at Oregon State (W 38-24)
Cactus Bowl: Baylor (L 12-31)

2017: No. 20 Washington State (L 44-47)
Virginia (L 42-23)
Las Vegas Bowl: Oregon (W 38-28)

 

[Poke in New England]

Using transitive property and a bowl game result to argue for UCF is just silly. Reality is, UCF schedule was soft, ranked in the triple digits actually. 10-12 teams run the table against their schedule. Like it or not, the deck is stacked against Group of 5 teams. They have very little margin for error and going undefeated in conference play is the bare minimum they have to do to prove themselves. Playing Austin Peay, Florida International and Maryland isn't going to cut it outside of a major conference.

Loads of teams could have run the table against UCF's schedule, like Alabama and Georgia, oh wait...

What point are you trying to make here?

He's saying that UCF beat Auburn, who beat both Alabama and Georgia. So he is effectively saying that Alabama and Georgia couldn't go undefeated against one of the teams that UCF beat.

Again, using the exhibition game to argue playoff implications is invalid. Their "schedule" refers to the regular season, after which the playoff is selected. Alabama, Georgia and many others run the table against UCF's regular season schedule.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Using transitive property and a bowl game result to argue for UCF is just silly. Reality is, UCF schedule was soft, ranked in the triple digits actually. 10-12 teams run the table against their schedule. Like it or not, the deck is stacked against Group of 5 teams. They have very little margin for error and going undefeated in conference play is the bare minimum they have to do to prove themselves. Playing Austin Peay, Florida International and Maryland isn't going to cut it outside of a major conference.

Loads of teams could have run the table against UCF's schedule, like Alabama and Georgia, oh wait...

What point are you trying to make here?

He's saying that UCF beat Auburn, who beat both Alabama and Georgia. So he is effectively saying that Alabama and Georgia couldn't go undefeated against one of the teams that UCF beat.

Again, using the exhibition game to argue playoff implications is invalid. Their "schedule" refers to the regular season, after which the playoff is selected. Alabama, Georgia and many others run the table against UCF's regular season schedule.

It's semantics, I know, but it wasn't an exhibition game, it was a Bowl game, they are not the same thing. And I don't think they are trying to use Auburn as an example of why they should be in the playoff, they are using it as an example of why they should be considered national champs.

 

[cowboyz]

Using transitive property and a bowl game result to argue for UCF is just silly. Reality is, UCF schedule was soft, ranked in the triple digits actually. 10-12 teams run the table against their schedule. Like it or not, the deck is stacked against Group of 5 teams. They have very little margin for error and going undefeated in conference play is the bare minimum they have to do to prove themselves. Playing Austin Peay, Florida International and Maryland isn't going to cut it outside of a major conference.

Loads of teams could have run the table against UCF's schedule, like Alabama and Georgia, oh wait...

What point are you trying to make here?

He's saying that UCF beat Auburn, who beat both Alabama and Georgia. So he is effectively saying that Alabama and Georgia couldn't go undefeated against one of the teams that UCF beat.

Again, using the exhibition game to argue playoff implications is invalid. Their "schedule" refers to the regular season, after which the playoff is selected. Alabama, Georgia and many others run the table against UCF's regular season schedule.

There are probably way more than 10 or 12 teams that could run UCF's schedule, but would they? You'd think Texas would, but they lost to Maryland, UCLA could, but they dropped one to Memphis, maybe Texas Tech, nope, lost to USF. The point is you can only play your conference and those that offer you or accept your offer. It's not like the AD of UCF can call the AD at Ohio State, request a game and have it granted. They usually work so far in advance and you are not sure who will be good or not when you schedule the game. Did UCF schedule Maryland when they were 10-2 and won their conference, or when they were 2-10 and in last place? UCF's future schedule has Texas, Georgia Tech, Pitt, all former National Champs. They don't seem to be going for the mid-level teams, but it's not like they are holding the cards. The solution is a play-off system that gets every conference winner involved. Until then it's a play-off of the teams from conferences that are generally better than all the others. In BB at least all of the conferences have a chance and little schools like Villanova can come through with a National Championship or two. Hell, even Wyoming won one.

I'd like to see a play-off with all 10 conference winners involved. The independents can either join a football conference or take their ball and go home, as they'd not have a path to the play-offs. Ten teams doesn't work, so there could be a fair system where 4 conference Champions take turns each year with a play-in and the other 6 get a bye. After that, 8 teams remain and finish the play-off. I can't imagine the P5 teams would agree to a round robin of play-in games so they could instead do the ranking they love of the 10 teams and put themselves at the top and have the lower conferences do the play-in games. In either scenario every conference Champ gets a shot. Then again, I can't imagine the P5 teams agreeing to anything like this, so it won't happen. But every Champ would have a chance at the title. Even take it to 16 teams so the SEC can load up with teams.

Until every conference Champ has a shot at the NC, I have no problem with UCF claiming it this year. In NCAA BB an undefeated season guarantees you the National Championship. Very clean.

 

[DVDA]

The solution is making the NCAA about competitive balance/amateurism and splitting the conferences up into 16 conferences with a balance of the top end P5 schools to G5 schools and granting each conference one playoff spot. The winners of each conference get a bid to the tournament which ends with a championship that every team had an opportunity to win.

 

[Wyo2dal]

It'll never happen but if they just followed suit from the FCS who has been doing the tournament style for a long time and it's entertaining and it's possible for a Cinderella story.

This all boils down to money plain and simple. You have it you're golden and you don't you're no one.

 

[CheyenneGunslinger]

Since there is no criteria other than "the best 4 teams".....Are we going to say that AL is not the favorite to win? I think it should go to 8...but then....UCF still wouldn't have got in.

Conf champs? They obviously aren't equal so what do you do there?

Auburn beat both of the teams but lost to GA in their second meeting.....could argue they should have been in. Then they get beat by UCF.

Alabama might not of deserved to get in but they just beat the #1 team and will be favored to beat GA.

Makes it frustrating but very interesting as well. No problem seeing two SEC teams play if they are the best teams. And both of those teams won. GA beat OU (which should have won) and AL beat Clemson so...............it leaves us talking....media heads talking...$$$$$$ :twocents:

It's hard to argue that Alabama isn't the # 1 team in the country. Clemson is a very good football team and Bama slapped them around like they were redheaded step children. The only way Clemson scored 6 points was because Bama fumbled on their own 20 yard line but couldn't advance the ball an inch, in fact, I think they lost yardage and had to settle for a field goal.