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Nance expected back to start fall practice,

Cowboy Junky

Cowboy Junky

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I sure hope Larry and his family lean more towards caution. Brett Smith should prove to Larry Nance exactly what's at stake if you rush off to the league early. It's very possible you end up an unsigned free agent that's cut a week after camp starts.

If I were Nance, I would have already decided: I would be red-shirting.

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If he's 100% there's no need to redshirt. With just the ACL being torn and no other damage a 6 month time frame sounds about right. If he's ready to go there's no reason for him to sit out.
 
I am sure he will make the right decision, but it sounds like everything is on schedule to be ready by the start of practice which is a very good sign. If they were talking about him possibly being ready by the time the season tipped off or shortly after I would be planning on a redshirt, but since he should be ready before the start of practice it should be fine.

Obviously you never know, but if Larry is Larry this will be a big season.
 
NowherePoke said:
I am sure he will make the right decision, but it sounds like everything is on schedule to be ready by the start of practice which is a very good sign. If they were talking about him possibly being ready by the time the season tipped off or shortly after I would be planning on a redshirt, but since he should be ready before the start of practice it should be fine.

Obviously you never know, but if Larry is Larry this will be a big season.
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I agree. That's what makes this so difficult. If Larry comes back it's likely we're going to challenge for a MWC title next year and a bid to the big dance.

Still, even if he's 99 percent of a healthy Larry, he should redshirt. It sucks to have to be patient for another year, but I would prefer it to Larry coming back and not being as good as he was last year. In my mind, that's the worst case scenario, as he would probably not get drafted with a redshirt to burn.
 
As I see it, the problem is getting back into shape. You can't do a hell of a lot when you are relatively immobile, so you are losing a lot of conditioning. Then there is the danger of trying to come back too fast, putting stress not only on your injury, but on other body parts. Redshirt and come back slowly. Get your degree and spend your last year in grad school (which I have found was easier than undergrad)
 
Cowboy Junky said:
Still, even if he's 99 percent of a healthy Larry, he should redshirt.
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I don't know if I can say that anyone who has undergone reconstructive surgery of any kind actually returns to a full 100% of their original self. Not in terms of elite athletic performance. Enough to still succeed, though? Absolutely.
 
I have never seen an athlete return the following season and return to form. Maybe Adrian Peterson? Can't remember. Tommy John from year before is always a no no for fantasy pitchers
 
There's a big difference between trying to come back from ACL surgery in 8 months and coming back in 1 year and 8 months. I would bet it dramatically increases your performance, longevity, range of motion, strength.....

I've got a bad feeling this is going to be Brett Smith part deux. Nance will try to come back next year, his performance will slip, he won't win Player of the Year of receive MWC first team recognition, and he won't get drafted.

This shouldn't even be a question. He should take the extra year and take his time to ensure he's as good as he can be going into his senior season.

I know it's not a popular choice amongst our fan base or with Larry Nance Jr. himself, but it just seems like the smartest thing he could do for his future.
 
Cowboy Junky said:
There's a big difference between trying to come back from ACL surgery in 8 months and coming back in 1 year and 8 months. I would bet it dramatically increases your performance, longevity, range of motion, strength.....

I've got a bad feeling this is going to be Brett Smith part deux. Nance will try to come back next year, his performance will slip, he won't win Player of the Year of receive MWC first team recognition, and he won't get drafted.

This shouldn't even be a question. He should take the extra year and take his time to ensure he's as good as he can be going into his senior season.

I know it's not a popular choice amongst our fan base or with Larry Nance Jr. himself, but it just seems like the smartest thing he could do for his future.
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CJ, there is such a thing as overreacting and being overly cautious to these things. Generally by people who have not experienced such injuries themselves. If the doctors say Nance is healing pretty quickly, that's not a cause for alarm. It means that to go along with his already strong legs, he is doing the PT with extra vigor. I garuntee, the physical therapists, who send reports to the doctor regularly, know what they are doing and would not be advancing him along like they are if they did not think he was healing at a fast rate.

It is not unheard of for someone to get a few weeks ahead of schedule when it comes to surgery, even ACL. The PTs won't force him into anything if they see that Nance's knee could not take it.
 
fromolwyoming said:
Cowboy Junky said:
There's a big difference between trying to come back from ACL surgery in 8 months and coming back in 1 year and 8 months. I would bet it dramatically increases your performance, longevity, range of motion, strength.....

I've got a bad feeling this is going to be Brett Smith part deux. Nance will try to come back next year, his performance will slip, he won't win Player of the Year of receive MWC first team recognition, and he won't get drafted.

This shouldn't even be a question. He should take the extra year and take his time to ensure he's as good as he can be going into his senior season.

I know it's not a popular choice amongst our fan base or with Larry Nance Jr. himself, but it just seems like the smartest thing he could do for his future.
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CJ, there is such a thing as overreacting and being overly cautious to these things. Generally by people who have not experienced such injuries themselves. If the doctors say Nance is healing pretty quickly, that's not a cause for alarm. It means that to go along with his already strong legs, he is doing the PT with extra vigor. I garuntee, the physical therapists, who send reports to the doctor regularly, know what they are doing and would not be advancing him along like they are if they did not think he was healing at a fast rate.

It is not unheard of for someone to get a few weeks ahead of schedule when it comes to surgery, even ACL. The PTs won't force him into anything if they see that Nance's knee could not take it.
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Regardless of what the PT's are telling him, I have a hard time believing that he isn't going to have a better recovery if he takes the extra year. If anyone can say with a reasonable amount of certainty that an extra year ISN'T going to help him, then I'll shut up about it. I just find that next to impossible to believe that he isn't going to be a better basketball player if he takes his time and builds the strength in his leg for another year.

I'm not one of those people that doesn't have experience with ACL surgery. Two of my three brothers had ACL surgery and both of them would tell you that given the choice between 8 months and 20 months, they would chose 20 months if they didn't have to worry about losing eligibility.
 
You could be absolutely right, Junky. It's not going to happen though. Reason doesn't always work in the minds of athletes and coaches.

MDs and PTs also want to be able to say "We got so-and-so back in 6 months". It makes them look better, they get more referrals and make more money.
 
There's a bit of a fine line here. He may be recovering quickly, and may be ready to play in the fall. And that could be legitimate. And yes, taking the extra year could help make certain his knee is back in top form.

But taking a year away from the court isn't always a good thing, especially for someone who thrives on the competition of the game, like I think Nance does. Being away from the court for a year might do more harm than good to his game, and it may take longer to get back to game shape if he's gone for a year.

Plus, I think Shyatt is probably saying what most of us want to hear, knowing it may not come to pass. No one wants to hear today that Larry will sit out next year, and immediately lower our expectations for the season. I think most of us want to see Larry back and hopefully contend for a conference title.

I won't pretend to know the right answers, but I am a trained exercise physiologist and have worked in PT clinics with these types of injuries. It is possible that he could come back next season and be fine. But I'll trust that Larry, his dad, Coach Shyatt, and the medical team will advise Larry to do the right thing for him. I do think he's the kind of kid that will want to get back out there as quick as he can.

GO POKES!
 
If he is healthy and ready to go, then he should play. I'm betting on Nance coming back 100% and being first team all conference, as well as Pokes getting a NCAA tourney bid.
 
Are there any statistics about the frequency that this type of injury recurs in the same place after a repair?
 
I guess I don't get the Brett Smith comparison. Larry isn't planning to make an asinine choice to forgo his senior season
 
It's pretty simple. If he forgoes a redshirt, comes back early and then doesn't get drafted it will be deja vu all over again. He'll have bypassed an extra year in college to play in the d league.
 
Cowboy Junky said:
It's pretty simple. If he forgoes a redshirt, comes back early and then doesn't get drafted it will be deja vu all over again. He'll have bypassed an extra year in college to play in the d league.
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After 4 years he'll have graduated, and sitting on the bench for a whole year longer than what may be needed can also be detrimental.

I mean, damn, it's not even July and you're reacting to how he may not be 100% in 4 months, hell, you're overreacting if he IS 100% healthy. Chill out.
 
fromolwyoming said:
Cowboy Junky said:
It's pretty simple. If he forgoes a redshirt, comes back early and then doesn't get drafted it will be deja vu all over again. He'll have bypassed an extra year in college to play in the d league.
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After 4 years he'll have graduated, and sitting on the bench for a whole year longer than what may be needed can also be detrimental.

I mean, damn, it's not even July and you're reacting to how he may not be 100% in 4 months, hell, you're overreacting if he IS 100% healthy. Chill out.
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Who's over-reacting? I'm not saying he's going to do anything. I'm saying what I would do in his position, which is already declare a redshirt and take my time coming back.

The fan base and writers are the ones that are over-reacting. Everyone's getting excited that he's going to be back next fall. The closer it gets to next fall, the more of this crap that you'll see on the message boards, the more Larry will hear these conversations, and more crap media will be released saying everything is going to be all right. All it's going to do is put more pressure on him to play, even if he isn't ready too.

I'm just trying to keep the expectations bottled up a little bit, because there is a very real possibility that this can go all wrong.
 
Cowboy Junky said:
fromolwyoming said:
Cowboy Junky said:
It's pretty simple. If he forgoes a redshirt, comes back early and then doesn't get drafted it will be deja vu all over again. He'll have bypassed an extra year in college to play in the d league.
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After 4 years he'll have graduated, and sitting on the bench for a whole year longer than what may be needed can also be detrimental.

I mean, damn, it's not even July and you're reacting to how he may not be 100% in 4 months, hell, you're overreacting if he IS 100% healthy. Chill out.
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Who's over-reacting? I'm not saying he's going to do anything. I'm saying what I would do in his position, which is already declare a redshirt and take my time coming back.

The fan base and writers are the ones that are over-reacting. Everyone's getting excited that he's going to be back next fall. The closer it gets to next fall, the more of this crap that you'll see on the message boards, the more Larry will hear these conversations, and more crap media will be released saying everything is going to be all right. All it's going to do is put more pressure on him to play, even if he isn't ready too.

I'm just trying to keep the expectations bottled up a little bit, because there is a very real possibility that this can go all wrong.
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Knowing Larry, all of us and the media talking about him coming back won't matter one bit to him. A couple days after it happened he told me he would be back by the start of the year, he is motivated to play and he does have some history on his side. His dad, and his sister both had multiple ACL tears during their careers and both came back fro them at the same level they were before them, and came back in less than a year.
 
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