Mountain West Conference Question

[Bryoming]

Nothing. But that isn't what is transpiring here. My adult daughter doesn't want to compete with she/him/they/them. My adult daughter wants to compete against the best in her biological gender. Same with most of the SJSU players that play with the tranny...their hands are forced a bit, right?

I guess you can say their hands are forced, but on the same note they are able to transfer to a different program if the program they are playing for or conference they're playing in doesn't align with their beliefs. The point I'm trying to make is just that. They're adults. They can make their own decisions.

 

[PAPoke]

Any father worth a shit, would NEVER let his daughter compete athletically at this level - or within certain sports, against biological males. This isn't co-ed softball beer league. Protect women's sports and keep the attention seeking she/him/they/them's in their lane.

I disagree with this take. I would support my daughter in whichever decision she made. I both respect and support the players and teams who are choosing to play SJSU and also respect and support the players who are opting out, for whatever reason. This idea of "letting" my adult daughter do anything doesn't go very far where I'm from.

 

[PAPoke]

I guess you can say their hands are forced, but on the same note they are able to transfer to a different program if the program they are playing for or conference they're playing in doesn't align with their beliefs. The point I'm trying to make is just that. They're adults. They can make their own decisions.

I am sympathetic to the players who don't want to play with (or against) someone whose biological identity doesn't align with theirs. Players certainly have their choices in where they play.

Sure, they could transfer, but that is the same thing we told these players when conference realignment happened. Non-revenue sports, especially women's sports got the short end of the stick. They often to choose to play closer to home, in places where family/friends can support them.

 

[McPeachy]

I guess you can say their hands are forced, but on the same note they are able to transfer to a different program if the program they are playing for or conference they're playing in doesn't align with their beliefs. The point I'm trying to make is just that. They're adults. They can make their own decisions.

It is more than a belief though...especially in 2024. WTF has the our "world" come to, that we as a culture are accepting biological males decisions and motivations to play physical sports against biological women (swimming, volleyball, tennis, etc.) - when it truly / purely makes a massive difference. Without a doubt.

 

[McPeachy]

I disagree with this take. I would support my daughter in whichever decision she made. I both respect and support the players and teams who are choosing to play SJSU and also respect and support the players who are opting out, for whatever reason. This idea of "letting" my adult daughter do anything doesn't go very far where I'm from.

Ya, well, I am not letting my daughter shower in the same shower with a tranny who has a boner (see swimming example for proof). Sorry man. I see this different, and will stand by my belief that men should play against men. Maybe there needs to be a tranny league, so that trannies can compete with other trannies, and we won't have to worry about who is man, who is women, and the biological disadvantages therein.

 

[PAPoke]

Ya, well, I am not letting my daughter shower in the same shower with a tranny who has a boner (see swimming example for proof). Sorry man. I see this different, and will stand by my believe that men should play against men. Maybe there needs to be a tranny league, so that trannies can compete with other trannies, and we won't have to worry about who is man, who is women, and the biological disadvantages therein.

The comment that I bolded is an interesting one, and something I've thought about. With the "rise" in athletes who identify as trans, I wonder if the NCAA will just compel them to play in the men's league. I don't see anyone creating a new "other/open" division in nonrevenue sports.

 

[laxwyo]

all one has to do is a few different thought experiments and take this to its logical conclusion. The logical conclusion is a team made mostly of “trans” women or other rare chromosomal defects which biological males are making up the majority of the team or league. Now ask yourself, “is this good for women’s sports”. If you’re fine with it, you’re a dirtbag. Using, “they’re adults and they can transfer” is also one of the more inconsistent answers to this predicament. How can you reconcile title IX and your answer? I know for a fact you don’t hold the same beliefs when it comes to sexual assault and universities. Should the women just transfer because they’re adults? Maybe have a little consistency to how you apply your belief system. I actually don’t disagree with you. I think title IX should be abolished and let the free market decide. But alas, the shitty federal government gets their fingers into everything.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Nothing. But that isn't what is transpiring here. My adult daughter doesn't want to compete with she/him/they/them. My adult daughter wants to compete against the best in her biological gender. Same with most of the SJSU players that play with the tranny...their hands are forced a bit, right?

You realize biological gender is an oxymoron right? Gender is a social construct, biology is science. Details matter.

 

[laxwyo]

You realize biological gender is an oxymoron right? Gender is a social construct, biology is science. Details matter.

of course you know that everyone is talking about biological sex of the player and not the gender they claim to be? It's literally the whole point of the conversation. They don't want males competing with females. Gender should be irrelevant since it's "a social construct". speaking of oxymoron, aren't you basically defending the term male woman?

 

[WestWYOPoke]

aren't you basically defending the term male woman?

Uh no...I just said that biological gender is an oxymoron. Had he said biological sex, I would have no problem with that. Hence why I said that details matter.

 

[ZapPoke]

Are gender and sex the same? Usage Guide


The words sex and gender have a long and intertwined history. In the 15th century gender expanded from its use as a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species, a meaning sex has had since the 14th century; phrases like "the male sex" and "the female gender" are both grounded in uses established for more than five centuries. In the 20th century sex and gender each acquired new uses. Sexdeveloped its "sexual intercourse" meaning in the early part of the century (now its more common meaning), and a few decades later gender gained a meaning referring to the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex, as in "gender roles."

The change to the definition of gender is rather recent and is purely due to the rampant psychological issues experienced by a certain segment of the population.

 

[McPeachy]

I guess you can say their hands are forced, but on the same note they are able to transfer to a different program if the program they are playing for or conference they're playing in doesn't align with their beliefs. The point I'm trying to make is just that. They're adults. They can make their own decisions.

Ah, the old "peanut allergy" story. If 1 kid of 100 has a peanut allergy, that means no more peanuts for the other 99, you must sacrifice for the one person, like it or not.

 

[McPeachy]

You realize biological gender is an oxymoron right? Gender is a social construct, biology is science. Details matter.

Symantics.

 

[PAPoke]

Some new information about the situation. Doesn't seem like it was as unanimous from the athletes as was earlier reported.

Wyoming volleyball coach worried about political pressure to forfeit vs. San Jose State

Boise State, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada have all decided not to play San Jose State.

www.usatoday.com

Political Pressure Forced Wyoming Women's Volleyball to Forfeit to SJSU Against Player's Wishes

The associate head coach for Wyoming, Becky Baker, expressed concerns in her emails to fellow coaches that the decision to forfeit was politically pressured and not in line with the team’s wishes.

www.athleticbusiness.com

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/sjsu-wyoming-volleyball-trans-19902156.php

What's led to schools forfeiting to San Jose State volleyball team? Emails shed light on process

Emails obtained by USA TODAY reveal the timeline and fallout of Boise State's decision to forfeit against San Jose State's women's volleyball team.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Bryoming]

Some new information about the situation. Doesn't seem like it was as unanimous from the athletes as was earlier reported.

Wyoming volleyball coach worried about political pressure to forfeit vs. San Jose State

Boise State, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada have all decided not to play San Jose State.

www.usatoday.com

Political Pressure Forced Wyoming Women's Volleyball to Forfeit to SJSU Against Player's Wishes

The associate head coach for Wyoming, Becky Baker, expressed concerns in her emails to fellow coaches that the decision to forfeit was politically pressured and not in line with the team’s wishes.

www.athleticbusiness.com

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/sjsu-wyoming-volleyball-trans-19902156.php

What's led to schools forfeiting to San Jose State volleyball team? Emails shed light on process

Emails obtained by USA TODAY reveal the timeline and fallout of Boise State's decision to forfeit against San Jose State's women's volleyball team.

www.usatoday.com

Taking an anonymous vote of the players was absolutely the correct way to do this. This should have been transparently communicated since day one. All of this "pressure from above" BS shouldn't even be part of the conversation when the players themselves voted not to play.