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Montana Game

Great point in the Missoulian's gamer:

James, who missed two late freebies in a 1-point loss to Montana State last year, atoned this season. He hit them both to give Wyoming the lead, 73-72.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/montana-men-s-basketball-wyoming-edges-grizzlies/article_a517ddd4-91e2-5fe2-a111-3e6d85de6d9e.html
 
I'm worried about Lieberman running point. I feel like he could be a liability instead of a asset. He always goes left doesn't have a right move.

Against MWC opponents they are going to trap and cause a big mess for us. During the game the announcers commented on that a lot and after watching the game again I see it as being bad later in the year.


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Wyo2dal said:
I'm worried about Lieberman running point. I feel like he could be a liability instead of a asset. He always goes left doesn't have a right move.

Against MWC opponents they are going to trap and cause a big mess for us. During the game the announcers commented on that a lot and after watching the game again I see it as being bad later in the year.

I would feel better about Lieberman if he was used more like McManamen or Aka Gorski. I think he's a better shooter than he's given credit for, but we don't run plays often for him to come off screens or curls to get open looks. I don't think he has the handles or quite enough quickness to be a "true point guard". To me a point guard is someone who has the quickness, handles, and athleticism to be able to create scoring opportunities off the dribble for teammates. The guy I was hoping to see fill that role currently plays football.

The last 4 years, even tho he wasn't really labeled as a point guard, Josh Adams to me was the guy who created opportunities and made things happen to open things up for other guys. How many of Nance and Cooke's dunks were created because of Josh's ability to penetrate, draw the help defense, and athleticism to dish it to them for the easy slam. Last year Josh was more of a scoring point guard, because we leaned so heavily on him to carry the offensive load.

In my opinion the last "true point guard" that Wyoming's had was Jay Straight, and that's been quite a few years ago. Brandon Ewing was in the point guard mold as well, but was relied upon more as a scorer than a creator. I'd say on Ewing's team, Brad Jones actually fit the point guard role better, even tho Ewing was probably labeled as the "point".

On this team, the closest thing to a true point guard I think is Cody Kelley. Given his size limitation, it's hard to know how effective he will/can be creating for others when the guys guarding him are going to be bigger and longer.

I really don't think having a true point guard is necessary either, as long as the Pokes can get the ball up the floor and get into their offense, or push the ball in transition effectively, it doesn't matter who does it, or what the "labels" are as long as it gets done. Putting in the effort on the defensive end of the floor will lead to easy offense anyway. :D

Last night down the stretch of the second half and late in the game, Herndon was the guy bringing the ball up and being used as the "point guard" in the offense. Justin James did it quite a bit as well, and neither of those guys fit the mold, so to speak, but they got it done!
 
Thought it was a great win overall. Still have a ways to go. Lots of sloppy play that needs cleaned up. When JJ came in at first I was disappointed because he hadn't seemed like he had improved in the offseason. Lots of sloppy play and bad shots and getting burned on defense. But then he came around and played great, he will be a major key to this team(still want to see more from him defensively, he didn't play horrible there but I have high expectations for him defensively).
Pretty impressive given some of who will be our major contributors sat out much of the game. Lieberman and Naughton with fouls and Adams with an injury. I think we have shown we can adapt to different situations and lineups as we need to. Very impressed with Dalton, he is skinny but he gets after rebounds. JMac doing a great job getting to the line.
Not worried about Lieberman running the point. He gets the ball up the court and into the offense then becomes a spot up shooter for the most part but need others(JJ, Adams) to create something off the dribble. We swung the ball around the outside and settled for a not great shot too much last night.
 
LanderPoke said:
Gorski with 36 minutes? oof. Too many for him. Maybe if Adams is healthy he take some minutes from him.
Gorski has been the most consistent scorer so far.... He has improved greatly in the first two games.... Who would you replace him with?

EDIT: Scratch that last sentence. I misread your initial comment.

Aka Gorski is:
2nd on the team in Minutes Played at 62 minutes or 31 per game (McManimal is averaging 33.5)
2nd on the team in Points Scored at 28 or 14 per game (McManinam is averaging 14.5)
1st on the team in Assists at 7 or 3.5 per game
1st on the team in 3PM at 7 or 3.5 a game (7 THREES MADE IN 2 GAMES!)

He is also 3rd in steals and hasn't committed a turnover. I think he has more than earned his minutes.
 
Some good post-game comments. I also only listened and watched gametracker for stats. Good to see JJ come around and show what he can do. WYO needs his offensive ability -- particularly inside the arc. With Naughton in very early foul trouble last night (first two minutes), I'm really disappointed that a big body like Barnes hasn't developed to the point where Edwards feels comfortable putting him in the game to bang down low.

Solid road win over the #2 media pick in the Big Sky. Take it and run. Pokes need to pick it up on the defensive end, though. Montana shot 49.1% from the field and 56.4% (22 for 39) from inside the arc. NOT GOOD.
 
POKE FAN said:
Some good post-game comments. I also only listened and watched gametracker for stats. Good to see JJ come around and show what he can do. WYO needs his offensive ability -- particularly inside the arc. With Naughton in very early foul trouble last night (first two minutes), I'm really disappointed that a big body like Barnes hasn't developed to the point where Edwards feels comfortable putting him in the game to bang down low.

Solid road win over the #2 media pick in the Big Sky. Take it and run. Pokes need to pick it up on the defensive end, though. Montana shot 49.1% from the field and 56.4% (22 for 39) from inside the arc. NOT GOOD.
They put on a display against our bigs. Herndon and Dalton did not look great against the smaller defenders most of the night.

Edwards and the players will need to get this figured out and I expect they will.
 
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
POKE FAN said:
Some good post-game comments. I also only listened and watched gametracker for stats. Good to see JJ come around and show what he can do. WYO needs his offensive ability -- particularly inside the arc. With Naughton in very early foul trouble last night (first two minutes), I'm really disappointed that a big body like Barnes hasn't developed to the point where Edwards feels comfortable putting him in the game to bang down low.

Solid road win over the #2 media pick in the Big Sky. Take it and run. Pokes need to pick it up on the defensive end, though. Montana shot 49.1% from the field and 56.4% (22 for 39) from inside the arc. NOT GOOD.
They put on a display against our bigs. Herndon and Dalton did not look great against the smaller defenders most of the night.

Edwards and the players will need to get this figured out and I expect they will.

Agreed, Barnes didn't play at all that I recall, and really could've used Naughton's size. Gutty win no doubt and I agree Edwards and co will adjust to hopefully shore up the defense a bit. I will say tho that the game wouldn't have been very close had we been able to hit anything at all in the 2nd half. The fact the pokes shot as poorly as they did in the 2nd half and still pulled it out speaks volumes.
 
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
POKE FAN said:
Some good post-game comments. I also only listened and watched gametracker for stats. Good to see JJ come around and show what he can do. WYO needs his offensive ability -- particularly inside the arc. With Naughton in very early foul trouble last night (first two minutes), I'm really disappointed that a big body like Barnes hasn't developed to the point where Edwards feels comfortable putting him in the game to bang down low.

Solid road win over the #2 media pick in the Big Sky. Take it and run. Pokes need to pick it up on the defensive end, though. Montana shot 49.1% from the field and 56.4% (22 for 39) from inside the arc. NOT GOOD.
They put on a display against our bigs. Herndon and Dalton did not look great against the smaller defenders most of the night.

Edwards and the players will need to get this figured out and I expect they will.
I'll take your word for it on in-game performance. I hope they get it figured out quickly. Offensively, we also took more shots from outside the arc (28) than inside the arc (25). An old-school hoops fan like me gets a little disturbed at numbers like that. Live by the three, die by the three. At least we have several guys who can drain the long ball with some consistency, when needed.
 
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
LanderPoke said:
Gorski with 36 minutes? oof. Too many for him. Maybe if Adams is healthy he take some minutes from him.
Gorski has been the most consistent scorer so far.... He has improved greatly in the first two games.... Who would you replace him with?

EDIT: Scratch that last sentence. I misread your initial comment.

Aka Gorski is:
2nd on the team in Minutes Played at 62 minutes or 31 per game (McManimal is averaging 33.5)
2nd on the team in Points Scored at 28 or 14 per game (McManinam is averaging 14.5)
1st on the team in Assists at 7 or 3.5 per game
1st on the team in 3PM at 7 or 3.5 a game (7 THREES MADE IN 2 GAMES!)

He is also 3rd in steals and hasn't committed a turnover. I think he has more than earned his minutes.
I don't think it's fair to throw season stats at me, yet, when one game was against Western state. I just don't think he's got the conditioning, quickness, defensive ability, rebounding ability or ability to get his own shot to play 35 a game. I think he should be around 25-27 min a game.
 
FarmerPoke said:
Agreed, Barnes didn't play at all that I recall, and really could've used Naughton's size. Gutty win no doubt and I agree Edwards and co will adjust to hopefully shore up the defense a bit. I will say tho that the game wouldn't have been very close had we been able to hit anything at all in the 2nd half. The fact the pokes shot as poorly as they did in the 2nd half and still pulled it out speaks volumes.
Barnes did not get in the game.
 
LanderPoke said:
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
LanderPoke said:
Gorski with 36 minutes? oof. Too many for him. Maybe if Adams is healthy he take some minutes from him.
Gorski has been the most consistent scorer so far.... He has improved greatly in the first two games.... Who would you replace him with?

EDIT: Scratch that last sentence. I misread your initial comment.

Aka Gorski is:
2nd on the team in Minutes Played at 62 minutes or 31 per game (McManimal is averaging 33.5)
2nd on the team in Points Scored at 28 or 14 per game (McManinam is averaging 14.5)
1st on the team in Assists at 7 or 3.5 per game
1st on the team in 3PM at 7 or 3.5 a game (7 THREES MADE IN 2 GAMES!)

He is also 3rd in steals and hasn't committed a turnover. I think he has more than earned his minutes.
I refuse to accept your stats because they directly contradict my opinion.
Fixed that last comment for you....

What we think as fans is irrelevant. So far Edwards has put faith in Aka Gorski and he has performed at a level consistent with JMac and to remove his production for anyone, AT THIS POINT, would be detrimental.
 
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
LanderPoke said:
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
LanderPoke said:
Gorski with 36 minutes? oof. Too many for him. Maybe if Adams is healthy he take some minutes from him.
Gorski has been the most consistent scorer so far.... He has improved greatly in the first two games.... Who would you replace him with?

EDIT: Scratch that last sentence. I misread your initial comment.

Aka Gorski is:
2nd on the team in Minutes Played at 62 minutes or 31 per game (McManimal is averaging 33.5)
2nd on the team in Points Scored at 28 or 14 per game (McManinam is averaging 14.5)
1st on the team in Assists at 7 or 3.5 per game
1st on the team in 3PM at 7 or 3.5 a game (7 THREES MADE IN 2 GAMES!)

He is also 3rd in steals and hasn't committed a turnover. I think he has more than earned his minutes.
I refuse to accept your stats because they directly contradict my opinion.
Fixed that last comment for you....

What we think as fans is irrelevant. So far Edwards has put faith in Aka Gorski and he has performed at a level consistent with JMac and to remove his production for anyone, AT THIS POINT, would be detrimental.
ha, ok. We if/when Gorski's three ball isn't going down he offers very little in my opinion. Just one fan's opinion, though.
 
LanderPoke said:
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
LanderPoke said:
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
LanderPoke said:
Gorski with 36 minutes? oof. Too many for him. Maybe if Adams is healthy he take some minutes from him.
Gorski has been the most consistent scorer so far.... He has improved greatly in the first two games.... Who would you replace him with?

EDIT: Scratch that last sentence. I misread your initial comment.

Aka Gorski is:
2nd on the team in Minutes Played at 62 minutes or 31 per game (McManimal is averaging 33.5)
2nd on the team in Points Scored at 28 or 14 per game (McManinam is averaging 14.5)
1st on the team in Assists at 7 or 3.5 per game
1st on the team in 3PM at 7 or 3.5 a game (7 THREES MADE IN 2 GAMES!)

He is also 3rd in steals and hasn't committed a turnover. I think he has more than earned his minutes.
I refuse to accept your stats because they directly contradict my opinion.
Fixed that last comment for you....

What we think as fans is irrelevant. So far Edwards has put faith in Aka Gorski and he has performed at a level consistent with JMac and to remove his production for anyone, AT THIS POINT, would be detrimental.
ha, ok. We if/when Gorski's three ball isn't going down he offers very little in my opinion. Just one fan's opinion, though.
Well duh.....The same can be said for most everyone on this team.... James got beat repeatedly off the dribble last night. If his shots don't go down his value is greatly diminished. Herndon still doesn't know how to play tall. When his shots aren't falling his value is GREATLY diminished. Maybe no one should average more than 25 minutes.
 

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