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[Landlordos7]

* Disclaimer * - I'm yet to watch or read anything in regards to the game except for statistics. Got home at midnight last night and have been moving ever since.

So hats off to you guys. I don't know if we fell asleep, or if you found a hell of a second wind or what, but right when it seemed we were going to blow it open the Cowboys said no. That was an inspired effort and though my score prediction had Nebraska winning big, there was kind of a feeling of, "this isn't surprising at all" in regards to the grit displayed. So just a couple of things, sorry if these have been rehashed like I said, I haven't read anything:


1. I did happen to glance and see a lot of definitive statements about Brett being superior to Taylor. I won't disagree with that or agree with it, just because I don't see the point or the legitimacy in comparing the two, but I would honestly ask what leads you all to that conclusion? He had larger numbers by a long shot, but he also threw the ball 20 more times while Taylor had the better qualitative stats. Like I said, not disagreeing, just wondering where that's coming from.

2. Speaking of the above, looks like it was a draw per the conditions of my individual bet with Mr. Peachy. However, I'll pony up the money regardless. I'd like to explain that I made that bet not because I wanted to prove Brett isn't a good quarterback, I most definitely think he is and he proved that last night, but more to show that Taylor is also a damn fine quarterback in his own right, and I will take comfort in being right about my prediction that he would have a better completion percentage and passer rating Hopefully he won over some of the Wyoming contingent with his play.

3. Overall it was a great, albeit a bit weird, game. Wyoming fans seemed to really be enjoying themselves and seemed like enjoyable people in their own right from what I could tell. The pacing and flow of the game seemed atypical but maybe that's because I don't get to many in person. Hope those of you that made the trip were treated right (let me know) and I'll be rooting for the Cowboys the rest of the year.


#GBR

 

[BeaverPoke]

We think Smith is better because he will be a better NFL qb. In college you can get any good athlete to play "quarterback" where he can run all over people, especially when your team recruits better athletes than 90% of the schools you face. Martinez, like Tebow (in college) are superior athletes to almost everybody on the field. They have better athletes on their team than the other team. They have WR's who can get open so they don't have to be accurate. Martinez can not make the clutch throws Smith can. He can not break down a pass defense the way Smith can. Plus with Nebraska, every team you face is scared you are going to run it down their throats, so they plan on that, then when Martinez throws it catches people off guard. With Smith, defenses are scared he is going to throw it, so they plan on that, yet he still makes the throws.
Who is going to be a better NFL qb when the teams have athletes of the same size and skill on each and every team? Smith. Hands down. That is why we think, and everyone outside Lincoln thinks Smith is a better qb.
Think of it this way, if Nebraska has Smith, and Wyo has Martinez, Nebraska win by 21 at least last night.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

I'd like to explain that I made that bet not because I wanted to prove Brett isn't a good quarterback, I most definitely think he is and he proved that last night, but more to show that Taylor is also a damn fine quarterback in his own right, and I will take comfort in being right about my prediction that he would have a better completion percentage and passer rating Hopefully he won over some of the Wyoming contingent with his play.

I like people who keep their word, even in a place where you can get away with not doing so (like the Internet).

Just thought I'd point out that Brett DID have the better Passer Rating (168.3 vs Martinez' 162.3).

Anyway, it was an entertaining game, and for SoS reasons, I obviously hope Nebraska wins all its games.

 

[Landlordos7]

I'd like to explain that I made that bet not because I wanted to prove Brett isn't a good quarterback, I most definitely think he is and he proved that last night, but more to show that Taylor is also a damn fine quarterback in his own right, and I will take comfort in being right about my prediction that he would have a better completion percentage and passer rating Hopefully he won over some of the Wyoming contingent with his play.

I like people who keep their word, even in a place where you can get away with not doing so (like the Internet).

Just thought I'd point out that Brett DID have the better Passer Rating (168.3 vs Martinez' 162.3).

Anyway, it was an entertaining game, and for SoS reasons, I obviously hope Nebraska wins all its games.

Are they adjusting how the ratings are calculated? I've literally seen three different sets of numbers - and last night on ESPN I would bet my life that Taylor's was higher.

Now they're both weird - 78.3 to 63.5, Smith in favor of course.

Edit: Those are the ratings according to the box score. That statistics spreadsheet has the numbers you referenced. Da eff is going on?

Either way, be proud of your boy - that's literally the best passing performance the Pelini-era Huskers have given up, including the years with Suh, Amukamara, Dennard, etc.

 

[fromolwyoming]

I'd like to explain that I made that bet not because I wanted to prove Brett isn't a good quarterback, I most definitely think he is and he proved that last night, but more to show that Taylor is also a damn fine quarterback in his own right, and I will take comfort in being right about my prediction that he would have a better completion percentage and passer rating Hopefully he won over some of the Wyoming contingent with his play.

I like people who keep their word, even in a place where you can get away with not doing so (like the Internet).

Just thought I'd point out that Brett DID have the better Passer Rating (168.3 vs Martinez' 162.3).

Anyway, it was an entertaining game, and for SoS reasons, I obviously hope Nebraska wins all its games.

Are they adjusting how the ratings are calculated? I've literally seen three different sets of numbers - and last night on ESPN I would bet my life that Taylor's was higher.

Now they're both weird - 78.3 to 63.5, Smith in favor of course.

Edit: Those are the ratings according to the box score. That statistics spreadsheet has the numbers you referenced. Da eff is going on?

Either way, be proud of your boy - that's literally the best passing performance the Pelini-era Huskers have given up, including the years with Suh, Amukamara, Dennard, etc.

Well, just point this out. Smith has been to the Manning Passing Academy the last 2 years, trained with Drew Brees, and while with Drew Brees trained with, crap, he's a big name QB coach in the NFL and I can't remember the name. But he got his pic taken with them and twittered it out. Its on here somewhere, but maybe someone else can remember the name.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I'd like to explain that I made that bet not because I wanted to prove Brett isn't a good quarterback, I most definitely think he is and he proved that last night, but more to show that Taylor is also a damn fine quarterback in his own right, and I will take comfort in being right about my prediction that he would have a better completion percentage and passer rating Hopefully he won over some of the Wyoming contingent with his play.

I like people who keep their word, even in a place where you can get away with not doing so (like the Internet).

Just thought I'd point out that Brett DID have the better Passer Rating (168.3 vs Martinez' 162.3).

Anyway, it was an entertaining game, and for SoS reasons, I obviously hope Nebraska wins all its games.

Are they adjusting how the ratings are calculated? I've literally seen three different sets of numbers - and last night on ESPN I would bet my life that Taylor's was higher.

Now they're both weird - 78.3 to 63.5, Smith in favor of course.

Edit: Those are the ratings according to the box score. That statistics spreadsheet has the numbers you referenced. Da eff is going on?

Either way, be proud of your boy - that's literally the best passing performance the Pelini-era Huskers have given up, including the years with Suh, Amukamara, Dennard, etc.

The passer rating stuff is very weird now lol. What is the difference between QBR and Raw QBR?
Oh I don't know if you forgot but Georgia's Aaron Murray had a little bit better of a day against you guys in the bowl game last season, like 35 more yards, but still I get your point, Smith lit up the Nebraska secondary, that does NOT get lit up often.
Speaking of "lighting things up". The hippies from Boulder should be lighting things up a lot tonight as they just beat the sheep of CSU. Got to celebrate their only win of the year!

 

[BeaverPoke]

olwyoming, it was Jeff Garcia, the former SF 49ers QB that he trained with while with Brees.

The Mannings, other elite college QBs, Drew Brees, Jeff Garcia, and not to mention his father played QB at Oregon back in the day. Smith has surrounded himself with some great QBs, and even better people in the recent past.

 

[Landlordos7]

The passer rating stuff is very weird now lol. What is the difference between QBR and Raw QBR?
Oh I don't know if you forgot but Georgia's Aaron Murray had a little bit better of a day against you guys in the bowl game last season, like 35 more yards, but still I get your point, Smith lit up the Nebraska secondary, that does NOT get lit up often.
Speaking of "lighting things up". The hippies from Boulder should be lighting things up a lot tonight as they just beat the sheep of CSU. Got to celebrate their only win of the year!

Aaron Murray - 18/33 (54.5%) for 427 yards - 5 TD - 2 INT
Brett Smith - 29/43 (67.4%) for 383 yards - 4 TD - 1 INT

Brett had by far the better game. We had Murray destined for the "QB Graveyard" and he literally got the stats padded on 4 undefendable throws, but looked average otherwise.

Also fromolwyoming, was your post in response to why you think Brett is better? Martinez has been to the Manning academy the last few summers as well, in addition to offseason training with Steve Calhoun. Blah blah blah he's good too

 

[fromolwyoming]

The passer rating stuff is very weird now lol. What is the difference between QBR and Raw QBR?
Oh I don't know if you forgot but Georgia's Aaron Murray had a little bit better of a day against you guys in the bowl game last season, like 35 more yards, but still I get your point, Smith lit up the Nebraska secondary, that does NOT get lit up often.
Speaking of "lighting things up". The hippies from Boulder should be lighting things up a lot tonight as they just beat the sheep of CSU. Got to celebrate their only win of the year!

Aaron Murray - 18/33 (54.5%) for 427 yards - 5 TD - 2 INT
Brett Smith - 29/43 (67.4%) for 383 yards - 4 TD - 1 INT

Brett had by far the better game. We had Murray destined for the "QB Graveyard" and he literally got the stats padded on 4 undefendable throws, but looked average otherwise.

Also fromolwyoming, was your post in response to why you think Brett is better? Martinez has been to the Manning academy the last few summers as well, in addition to offseason training with Steve Calhoun. Blah blah blah he's good too

Just pointing out why he's been getting better and better. That's all.

 

[BeaverPoke]

No offense to Martinez, because I like watching him play, he is exciting as hell, but who would you rather have coaching you, Drew Brees or Calhoun? Lol.
Martinez is a good, but not great college QB. Has a chance to break tons of Nebraska records. Too many turnovers.
You know, had he not thrown that pick, Wyo wouldn't have had a chance to come back. Not only that, but didn't he get the ball stripped from him on that 4th down attempt? I think it was first called a failed conversion, but then I heard he would have had the yards but the ball was stripped. I didn't see it so I could be totally wrong on that part.
But if that is true, and had Wyoming won, then all the anti-Martinez people would be saying it's his turnovers that costed the game.

 

[Landlordos7]

No offense to Martinez, because I like watching him play, he is exciting as hell, but who would you rather have coaching you, Drew Brees or Calhoun? Lol.
Martinez is a good, but not great college QB. Has a chance to break tons of Nebraska records. Too many turnovers.
You know, had he not thrown that pick, Wyo wouldn't have had a chance to come back. Not only that, but didn't he get the ball stripped from him on that 4th down attempt? I think it was first called a failed conversion, but then I heard he would have had the yards but the ball was stripped. I didn't see it so I could be totally wrong on that part.
But if that is true, and had Wyoming won, then all the anti-Martinez people would be saying it's his turnovers that costed the game.

I was at the game so I don't have much to say on either of those that is educated. The 4th down conversion looked like, regardless of how far he got, the play should have been ruled dead before he was stripped. The interception was bizarre, and looked like either a mental mistake on Taylor's part not knowing where his receiver was going or on the receiver's part where TM expected him to be in a different place. All this from my spot in south stadium, though.

I'm done on my soap box. Taylor played a fine game (those end zone passes were dirrrty) and I hope he opened the eyes of some more critical Wyo fans but if not that's okay, we know who we have and we love the kid

(Also, not sure how this forum operates as far as legality proceedings, but if anyone knows of any torrents of the game I'm really eager to rewatch and also use for highlight video purposes).

 

[BeaverPoke]

No offense to Martinez, because I like watching him play, he is exciting as hell, but who would you rather have coaching you, Drew Brees or Calhoun? Lol.
Martinez is a good, but not great college QB. Has a chance to break tons of Nebraska records. Too many turnovers.
You know, had he not thrown that pick, Wyo wouldn't have had a chance to come back. Not only that, but didn't he get the ball stripped from him on that 4th down attempt? I think it was first called a failed conversion, but then I heard he would have had the yards but the ball was stripped. I didn't see it so I could be totally wrong on that part.
But if that is true, and had Wyoming won, then all the anti-Martinez people would be saying it's his turnovers that costed the game.

I was at the game so I don't have much to say on either of those that is educated. The 4th down conversion looked like, regardless of how far he got, the play should have been ruled dead before he was stripped. The interception was bizarre, and looked like either a mental mistake on Taylor's part not knowing where his receiver was going or on the receiver's part where TM expected him to be in a different place. All this from my spot in south stadium, though.

I'm done on my soap box. Taylor played a fine game (those end zone passes were dirrrty) and I hope he opened the eyes of some more critical Wyo fans but if not that's okay, we know who we have and we love the kid

(Also, not sure how this forum operates as far as legality proceedings, but if anyone knows of any torrents of the game I'm really eager to rewatch and also use for highlight video purposes).

Like I've said before I like Martinez, and think he is exciting to watch, but I was pointing out the fact that his turnovers are a huge downfall to his game.

I've always liked Martinez so what he did in the game didn't really open my eyes to anything as I have watched him play on TV quite a few times before.

But if you want to know why we think Smith is better, read what I said above when you originally asked the question. I feel like I broke it down trying to be as fair as possible.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

White also dropped an easy interception early in the game where Martinez hit him right in the numbers, pretty much.

 

[StickNnod]

All true...but TM didn't run around like a dingaling, squander the last 11 seconds of the game and then throw the ball out of bounds. Must be the after-effects of the twenty-odd concussions that will probably prevent BS from ever playing in the NFL.

I believe this gives the edge to Taylor.

 

[Wyo2dal]

All true...but TM didn't run around like a dingaling, squander the last 11 seconds of the game and then throw the ball out of bounds. Must be the after-effects of the twenty-odd concussions that will probably prevent BS from ever playing in the NFL.

I believe this gives the edge to Taylor.

Really? Might be the most retarded thing I have ever read LOL sore winners are a joke. Smith is a better QB than Martinez will ever be plain and simple.

Brett Smith

or

Taylor Martinez

If you can't look at those numbers alone, not even including the fact that Smith runs circles around Martinez with his scrambling then you are just blind. You take your mini Tebow that can run and throw interceptions ( and can not make it in the NFL ) and i'll take Brett Smith who clearly has better pocket presence and will make it in the NFL.

 

[BeaverPoke]

All true...but TM didn't run around like a dingaling, squander the last 11 seconds of the game and then throw the ball out of bounds. Must be the after-effects of the twenty-odd concussions that will probably prevent BS from ever playing in the NFL.

I believe this gives the edge to Taylor.

Hahahaha 1 play with 11 seconds left in a hail Mary situation where a DB tackled one of the Wyo WR's is the deciding factor???????

Are you joking or are you really that dumb?
So Smith outplays Martinez by a long shot all game INCLUDING not turning the ball over twice in the 4th quarter to a team who is desperately trying to make a comeback, but because Smith runs out of time at the end Martinez is a better qb?
Do you guys really think he is that good? I mean REALLY?

 

[one-smooth-poke]

All true...but TM didn't run around like a dingaling, squander the last 11 seconds of the game and then throw the ball out of bounds. Must be the after-effects of the twenty-odd concussions that will probably prevent BS from ever playing in the NFL.

I believe this gives the edge to Taylor.

Hahahaha 1 play with 11 seconds left in a hail Mary situation where a DB tackled one of the Wyo WR's is the deciding factor???????

Are you joking or are you really that dumb?
So Smith outplays Martinez by a long shot all game INCLUDING not turning the ball over twice in the 4th quarter to a team who is desperately trying to make a comeback, but because Smith runs out of time at the end Martinez is a better qb?
Do you guys really think he is that good? I mean REALLY?

How pathetic are the Bug Eaters when, 1-2 days after the game, where they claimed they would destroy us by 50+ points, that they are still on our board pleading their case. Goes to show that Wyoming was the better team, the Martinez was well below the level of Smith and they want to rehash the game and live in the old Glory Days. Guess what, its Monday, and Nebraska is still overrated and they still suck.

 

[BeaverPoke]

All true...but TM didn't run around like a dingaling, squander the last 11 seconds of the game and then throw the ball out of bounds. Must be the after-effects of the twenty-odd concussions that will probably prevent BS from ever playing in the NFL.

I believe this gives the edge to Taylor.

Hahahaha 1 play with 11 seconds left in a hail Mary situation where a DB tackled one of the Wyo WR's is the deciding factor???????

Are you joking or are you really that dumb?
So Smith outplays Martinez by a long shot all game INCLUDING not turning the ball over twice in the 4th quarter to a team who is desperately trying to make a comeback, but because Smith runs out of time at the end Martinez is a better qb?
Do you guys really think he is that good? I mean REALLY?

How pathetic are the Bug Eaters when, 1-2 days after the game, where they claimed they would destroy us by 50+ points, that they are still on our board pleading their case. Goes to show that Wyoming was the better team, the Martinez was well below the level of Smith and they want to rehash the game and live in the old Glory Days. Guess what, its Monday, and Nebraska is still overrated and they still suck.

The excuses are the worst part!
But....but.....but.... Martinez was hurt and his mental toughness is good and and and...
Like they are the only team to deal with injuries. Especially when they talk about how much bigger they were than our players before the game.

If there was 1 more minute on the clock we tie it up if there were 2 more we win. They had no answer for Smith.
And to resort to saying Martinez is better because of the final play of the game....are you kidding me?