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Missouri AD on Scheduling

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Post: #1Mizzou AD: we won't play non-P5 on the road anymore
Tod Palmer ‏@todpalmer · 18m
Alden: Future road games for football would be Power 5 teams, not Toledo, UCF or Arkansas State.

FBSchedules.com ‏@FBSchedules · 7m
RT @Dave_Matter: Alden: Mizzou will eventually phase out of playing noncon road games at non-power 5 schools.



I wonder if the Wyo series will hold up. I hope we cancel going there if they won't come here. Other p5 to play on the road that are better for us then playing Missouri
 
If they do cancel it, may as well cancel our game with them. Look to a school that isn't playing for the "let's not leave our state for OOC" conference. Think a school like K-State would be open to it?
 
Eventually all of the "P5" will follow and that is the sad reality. I don't think we will be seeing to many more Texas and Nebraskas at home :( . BYU's hand will be forced as no way will independence be possible in 5 years for them.
 
It's coming, I posted on it before G5 commissioners need to get their shit together the end is near P5 are going to completely segregate away from G5. You think FBS vs FCS is bad this is going to be the worst thing college football has seen.
 
Wyo2dal said:
It's coming, I posted on it before G5 commissioners need to get their shit together the end is near P5 are going to completely segregate away from G5. You think FBS vs FCS is bad this is going to be the worst thing college football has seen.
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Yeah it's going to get ugly. Really ugly.
 
Wonder how they square this with the concept of "amateur athletics"? :lol:


"Big Time" college athletics is such an ingenious scam when you think about it. Labor is very cheap and artificially kept at a low rate and there are really no shareholders or equity holders that expect a financial return on their investment. That means that management can effectively capture all profits.

This structure has been in place for a while, but what has really moved the needle is the impact of technology on the entertainment market. Historically, the entertainment market (TV primarily) has been an advertiser driven revenue model. With the conversion to digitally available content, most TV, movies, etc. can be watched without advertisements or with a high likelihood of the advertisements being ignored (DVR). The single largest exception has been live sporting events. Since finding a return has become so difficult for advertisers they have funneled their marketing funds towards live sporting events. This has created an enormous demand for most sports properties.

In professional leagues such as the NFL and NBA this results not only in massive profits for the ownership groups, but also rapidly increasing salary caps as the percentage shared with players is usually set (something like 53% or something). Intercollegiate athletics has neither of these. No owners to pay and athlete compensation remains flat (or indexed to tuition inflation, which is high but nowhere near the rate of inflation in media revenue for sports properties). That allows management (coaches and administrators) to capture those gains.

The really amazing thing is that the consumers of this entertainment (I am included in this group) have such a high level of brand loyalty that we will actually go as far as to brag about how much we are paying our coaches. How insane is that? What possible benefit is there to me, the University of Wyoming, or the student-athletes that Dave Christensen made over a million dollars?

Anyway, UW is no different than Missouri really. We refuse to play on the road at FCS schools (which is a good decision I believe), and they have decided to refuse to play at other FBS schools outside of the P5 leagues. Probably a good decision as well. Due to the value of their media rights, home games are worth some serious coin. How is Pinkel going to get to $5M a year if they can't schedule 8 home games? :whistle:
 
Problem is the SoS for a shitty P5 will be better than a top G5 so they don't need to worry about it.
 
I still think the non Greedy Bastards (non,P-5) should just quit playing the bastards all together, whether it be at home or on the road. If the small schools keep trying to be part of the elite union, it just plays into their hands.

Everyone complains about what a bunch of buttholes the p-5 is but when the chance arises (including wyoming) they jump to be included.
 
Interestingly, the playoff we all so badly wanted (myself included) will eventually kill us off or at least relegate us to second class citizens. Well, even more so.
 
This is such a complicated area anymore. Much of traditional TV is starting to die off as someone else mentioned above. The Advertising revenue is there for sports and thats why many people keep their cable tv packages.

Personally,while I haven't put a bunch of thought into it, I would do something like this.

1.) the G5 schools - declare our own playoff system. Do something decent like 16 spots, reserve 3 or 4 of those for all other divisions (FCS, Div2, P5, etc). if you can field a good team at any level, you have a chance to play in the national championship.

2.) Declare the G5 schools the true National Champions among the collegiate levels.

3.) Look to software open source and internet open collaboration to provide solutions to getting the product out there. GNU/Linux doesn't make any direct money off of the software the thousands of people write, and Wikipedia doesn't make any direct money off the articles they have created (yes, this is quite the over simplification of the issue but bear with me).

When it looked like Microsoft would dominate it all, people formed together and started competing with them by volunteering their time. Encyclopedia Britannica, while far more accurate, has quite a bit less content than wikipedia. They certainly compete well with each other.

4.) Find models of sharing the media content and advertising revenue. The more faces the product and the advertisments get in front of, the more potential fans will jump aboard.

In the end game, in order to compete, we have to quit thinking so much about money and more about carrying on a tradition and building a prestigious product.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
Interestingly, the playoff we all so badly wanted (myself included) will eventually kill us off or at least relegate us to second class citizens. Well, even more so.
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This. And I am noticing that ESPN is developing (or perhaps furthering) a narrative advocating that the P5 play only each other and couching it as "scheduling consistency." Comment referred to a P5 vs P5 game and was along the lines of: "With the advent of the playoff system, scheduling consistency is now achievable and necessary to determine the best four teams."

I suspect that will become a common talking point going forward.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
Interestingly, the playoff we all so badly wanted (myself included) will eventually kill us off or at least relegate us to second class citizens. Well, even more so.
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This isn't the playoff that any of us wanted, We all hoped and dreamed that the play off system would resemble FCS.
 
Wyo2dal said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
Interestingly, the playoff we all so badly wanted (myself included) will eventually kill us off or at least relegate us to second class citizens. Well, even more so.
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This isn't the playoff that any of us wanted, We all hoped and dreamed that the play off system would resemble FCS.
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+1
 
All P5 schools are doing this.
MWC and MAC schools are the new FCS.
The Oregons and Wazzu's will surely let us go to their house so they can tune-up against us, but no way will they return the favor.
When was the last time we went to Cal Poly or Montana?
But as many have noticed, the gap between FBS and FCS is shrinking. But the gap between P5 and G5 in terms of players talents is shrinking even more.
We won't be able to beat P5 teams at home, but we can take them down on the road.
 
BeaverPoke said:
All P5 schools are doing this.
MWC and MAC schools are the new FCS.
The Oregons and Wazzu's will surely let us go to their house so they can tune-up against us, but no way will they return the favor.
When was the last time we went to Cal Poly or Montana?
But as many have noticed, the gap between FBS and FCS is shrinking. But the gap between P5 and G5 in terms of players talents is shrinking even more.
We won't be able to beat P5 teams at home, but we can take them down on the road.
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There isn't really any evidence to support the notion that the gap between FBS and FCS is shrinking. A quick glance shows that FBS went 42-2 in week 1 this year with the only wins being NDSU (whose incredible success drives most of that narrative and masks the overall futility of FCS opponents) and Bethune-Cookman over FIU.

See chart below (Source: http://www.footballgeography.com/history-of-fbs-i-a-vs-fcs-i-aa/)

The long term trends show two clear results:

1. FCS vs. FBS games are increasing in number.

2. FCS winning percentage is declining.

2013 was a bit of a blip, but if Week 1 is any indication the overall trend towards greater FBS dominance will continue. The absolute best seasons for FBS winning percentage were 2005, 2008, and 2009 (the most dominant). Those are all very recent. All the top seasons for FCS were a long time ago (30 years).

I would expect that you will see this trend continue and that you will see a similar trend for P5 vs. G5 as the stratification of college athletics continues.




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Triple-WY said:
This. And I am noticing that ESPN is developing (or perhaps furthering) a narrative advocating that the P5 play only each other and couching it as "scheduling consistency." Comment referred to a P5 vs P5 game and was along the lines of: "With the advent of the playoff system, scheduling consistency is now achievable and necessary to determine the best four teams."

I suspect that will become a common talking point going forward.
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Agreed. Ever since byu left, I was curious about ratings and have noticed that outside of top match-ups, there really isn't that much of a difference in ratings. byu for example had ratings similar to every other G5 member (or worse) and lower end P5 matchups.

You can book it that the new formula will almost reward a loss as long as the two teams were highly ranked.

I think you are exactly right about ESPN promoting that.
 
Wyo2dal said:
This isn't the playoff that any of us wanted, We all hoped and dreamed that the play off system would resemble FCS.
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No doubt, but we pushed it and there was no way in heck it was ever going to happen.

They gave us a better deal now, where we are guaranteed a spot in a big bowl. However, it is nothing more than a bridge deal. The auto-spot gets pulled the next time around and the split will be official.
 
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