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Mike Leach Next Maryland Coach...

It seems kind of weird to me to fire the ACC coach of the year, but then again look at how weak the ACC was this year.....or any year for that matter haha
 
IMO, I don't think Leach will survive at Maryland.. the ACC and Leach's O don't really seem like a fit, plus the DC media will eat Leach for lunch if he starts gettin' crazy.
 
MrTitleist said:
IMO, I don't think Leach will survive at Maryland.. the ACC and Leach's O don't really seem like a fit, plus the DC media will eat Leach for lunch if he starts gettin' crazy.

100% agree.

Leach would be a perfect fit in Laramie if Buchanan & Burman ever get their heads outta their asses!!! :tickedoff: :brick:
 
Wyokie said:
MrTitleist said:
IMO, I don't think Leach will survive at Maryland.. the ACC and Leach's O don't really seem like a fit, plus the DC media will eat Leach for lunch if he starts gettin' crazy.

100% agree.

Leach would be a perfect fit in Laramie if Buchanan & Burman ever get their heads outta their asses!!! :tickedoff: :brick:

No media to cover him, always a good thing!!!
 
Wyokie said:
MrTitleist said:
IMO, I don't think Leach will survive at Maryland.. the ACC and Leach's O don't really seem like a fit, plus the DC media will eat Leach for lunch if he starts gettin' crazy.

100% agree.

Leach would be a perfect fit in Laramie if Buchanan & Burman ever get their heads outta their asses!!! :tickedoff: :brick:

Are you suggesting that Burman should trade our high school quality coaching staff for Leach? To me it seems no one wants to hire anyone under them that might challenge their authority.
 
cowboyz said:
Wyokie said:
MrTitleist said:
IMO, I don't think Leach will survive at Maryland.. the ACC and Leach's O don't really seem like a fit, plus the DC media will eat Leach for lunch if he starts gettin' crazy.

100% agree.

Leach would be a perfect fit in Laramie if Buchanan & Burman ever get their heads outta their asses!!! :tickedoff: :brick:

Are you suggesting that Burman should trade our high school quality coaching staff for Leach? To me it seems no one wants to hire anyone under them that might challenge their authority.

We should just trade Buchanan and Burman to anybody in exchange for people who actually gives a rat's ass about Wyoming athletics. Problem is no one within the state government wants to get rid of Buchanan and in turn Buchanan probably sees no reason to fire Burman, etc.....

Hate to say it, guys, but the real blame for this entire mess is the state government and the governor. People we elected (for those still living in Wyoming)!
 
What? The state appropriates nearly $1 Billion to the University every two years. Yes. That is Billion with a big ol' stinkin' "B" on it and the state government and Governor don't like UW? Sorry, that don't wash. Also, nevermind that pesky Hathaway Scholarship that is helping keep kids in state to go to UW and NCAR and the GE test facility and the millions they have busted their butt to attract from industry to fund the Energy School - all which will bring more folks to UW.

And if we are simply talking athletics, remember the tens of MILLIONS in matching funds for athletics facilities and to enhance coaches salaries also came from the state. And if you believe that a governor - or frankly even a legislator - should be meddling with who is hired as a coach...I'd suggest you might have some misplaced priorities. My guess is that Dave - and soon Matt - and the Legislature are a little more focused on what we are getting for our money (another BILLION with a B) in terms of k-12 education, how we are going to fund Medicaid (yet another Billion with a B) and how we are going to keep the feds from shutting down coal and oil and gas development (which are central to the equation of how we get those Billions to fund UW, health care, education and the like).

Sorry to go off. I love UW and the Pokes as much as anyone else, but to suggest that state government has turned a blind eye to UW is a little much. I would venture a guess to say that Buchanan might have some other things going on too. Sure the AD is his guy and sure, the AD should be held to account for what has or has not happened on his watch. My guess is that he is and will be going forward - as should the coaches he hired. For my part, I am hoping we win some more bball games - but don't think we will win many, in which case Burman should can Schroyer (should have done it last year, but I don't think they had the cash, especially with the 10% reductions they had to make with the tanking economy at the time). I am also hopeful, and actually confident, that DC will win. And again (to quote McClain) - if he doesn't win, something should be done.
 
LawPoke said:
What? The state appropriates nearly $1 Billion to the University every two years. Yes. That is Billion with a big ol' stinkin' "B" on it and the state government and Governor don't like UW? Sorry, that don't wash. Also, nevermind that pesky Hathaway Scholarship that is helping keep kids in state to go to UW and NCAR and the GE test facility and the millions they have busted their butt to attract from industry to fund the Energy School - all which will bring more folks to UW.

And if we are simply talking athletics, remember the tens of MILLIONS in matching funds for athletics facilities and to enhance coaches salaries also came from the state. And if you believe that a governor - or frankly even a legislator - should be meddling with who is hired as a coach...I'd suggest you might have some misplaced priorities. My guess is that Dave - and soon Matt - and the Legislature are a little more focused on what we are getting for our money (another BILLION with a B) in terms of k-12 education, how we are going to fund Medicaid (yet another Billion with a B) and how we are going to keep the feds from shutting down coal and oil and gas development (which are central to the equation of how we get those Billions to fund UW, health care, education and the like).

Sorry to go off. I love UW and the Pokes as much as anyone else, but to suggest that state government has turned a blind eye to UW is a little much. I would venture a guess to say that Buchanan might have some other things going on too. Sure the AD is his guy and sure, the AD should be held to account for what has or has not happened on his watch. My guess is that he is and will be going forward - as should the coaches he hired. For my part, I am hoping we win some more bball games - but don't think we will win many, in which case Burman should can Schroyer (should have done it last year, but I don't think they had the cash, especially with the 10% reductions they had to make with the tanking economy at the time). I am also hopeful, and actually confident, that DC will win. And again (to quote McClain) - if he doesn't win, something should be done.

+1. I'm in almost complete agreement with this. If any blame should be meted out, it should go to the Trustees who totally bonered up the hiring of a new President with insisting that Buchanan be included in the finalists when the search firm they hired didn't have him on it. This caused those finalists to withdraw, if I recall it right, and thus we have Buchanan, and thus we have Burman. That's my :twocents: .
 
Brew_Poke said:
If any blame should be meted out, it should go to the Trustees who totally bonered up the hiring of a new President with insisting that Buchanan be included in the finalists when the search firm they hired didn't have him on it. This caused those finalists to withdraw, if I recall it right, and thus we have Buchanan, and thus we have Burman. That's my :twocents: .

O.K. then who appoints the Trustess?
 
Wyokie said:
Brew_Poke said:
If any blame should be meted out, it should go to the Trustees who totally bonered up the hiring of a new President with insisting that Buchanan be included in the finalists when the search firm they hired didn't have him on it. This caused those finalists to withdraw, if I recall it right, and thus we have Buchanan, and thus we have Burman. That's my :twocents: .

O.K. then who appoints the Trustess?
I don't think you can blame the Trustees' decisions on who appointed them.
 
Maybe there is a circuitous route to get some blame put on Dave and the legislature...but it is pretty far removed. Frankly, you can ask Matt to focus on whether we are breaking. 500 in hoops and competing with CSU. I will ask him to mind the till and see to it that our k-12 system is producing kids that compete with the Chinese.
 
LawPoke said:
What? The state appropriates nearly $1 Billion to the University every two years. Yes. That is Billion with a big ol' stinkin' "B" on it and the state government and Governor don't like UW? Sorry, that don't wash. Also, nevermind that pesky Hathaway Scholarship that is helping keep kids in state to go to UW and NCAR and the GE test facility and the millions they have busted their butt to attract from industry to fund the Energy School - all which will bring more folks to UW.

And if we are simply talking athletics, remember the tens of MILLIONS in matching funds for athletics facilities and to enhance coaches salaries also came from the state. And if you believe that a governor - or frankly even a legislator - should be meddling with who is hired as a coach...I'd suggest you might have some misplaced priorities. My guess is that Dave - and soon Matt - and the Legislature are a little more focused on what we are getting for our money (another BILLION with a B) in terms of k-12 education, how we are going to fund Medicaid (yet another Billion with a B) and how we are going to keep the feds from shutting down coal and oil and gas development (which are central to the equation of how we get those Billions to fund UW, health care, education and the like).

Sorry to go off. I love UW and the Pokes as much as anyone else, but to suggest that state government has turned a blind eye to UW is a little much. I would venture a guess to say that Buchanan might have some other things going on too. Sure the AD is his guy and sure, the AD should be held to account for what has or has not happened on his watch. My guess is that he is and will be going forward - as should the coaches he hired. For my part, I am hoping we win some more bball games - but don't think we will win many, in which case Burman should can Schroyer (should have done it last year, but I don't think they had the cash, especially with the 10% reductions they had to make with the tanking economy at the time). I am also hopeful, and actually confident, that DC will win. And again (to quote McClain) - if he doesn't win, something should be done.


I have not seen the budget figures for about 2 years, but unless the UW athletic budget has changed in that time CSU and UW are just about tied for the bottom of the MWC in the amount they are budgeted for their athletics. I don't care about CSU, but I do care about UW athletics.
Kudos for the Hathaway, NCAR, & GE, but those programs do nothing for UW Athletics. As for the facilities, I said before in my posts about the budget that I have no problem with the facilities here at UW. When you mention the Tens of Millions the legislature is giving UW in matching funds, you are only doing that because some private source is giving the other Tens of Millions. Look at the private donations some of the other universities in the MWC are getting compared to us. Sorry to go off, but this just doesn't wash. My question is: who does the Wyoming Legislature, the UW Board of Trustees, the UW President, and the AD work for?
 
LawPoke said:
Maybe there is a circuitous route to get some blame put on Dave and the legislature...but it is pretty far removed. Frankly, you can ask Matt to focus on whether we are breaking. 500 in hoops and competing with CSU. I will ask him to mind the till and see to it that our k-12 system is producing kids that compete with the Chinese.

We can easily compete with the Chinese in football, but they would kick our ass in basketball...
 
I disagree with you in terms of Hathaway, NCAR and GE not doing anything for UW athletics. The more attention and corporate support for UW - the better it is for UW and hence UW athletics. It might not mean a huge increase in revenue, but they help.

As for the matching funds, maybe you want it all to be on the backs of the private donors then - like most every other athletics program in the country? I prefer to get a two-fer where possible - and the two-fer is a function of state support. I guess I don't understand your objection to this sort of arrangement - UW benefits double. What am I missing?

I guess I don't know what you "let's raid the general fund to pay for athletics folks" want. At the end of it all, we are paying the bills and putting money aside so we, in Wyoming, don't have the tax burden others do. We all see "the state has a billion extra" in the press - but that really isn't the case. Sure, it would be cool for the state to kick 100 million to UW for coaches salaries - but who pays those higher salaries when state revenues decline ? To ignore the reality that revenues in WY are cyclical, at best, is to create a structural deficit just like our friends in Congress have done with the federal budget. Even then, there isn't 100 million of free money that isn't spoken for. Local governments are struggling to pay the bills and the cost of Medicaid and education only escalates. Sure, it would be awesome if the state underwrote full-scale improvements to the AA - but that request will compete with new labs, schools and other necessary state facilities. Now we could dip into the block grant to UW from the state, but then student programs on the rest of campus would have to go away - if that is your course, take the fight over physics going away and multiply it by 100 and you have a picture of how that might go over.
 
LawPoke said:
Maybe there is a circuitous route to get some blame put on Dave and the legislature...but it is pretty far removed. Frankly, you can ask Matt to focus on whether we are breaking. 500 in hoops and competing with CSU. I will ask him to mind the till and see to it that our k-12 system is producing kids that compete with the Chinese.

We don't really need kids that can compete with the Chinese. The only jobs Wyoming produces in large numbers deal with Natural Gas, Coal and Trona. Since they pay their miners probably nothing, it will be hard to compete. I'd rather see us do something to diversify the economy of the state. I believe Wyoming is 3rd in the amount of money spent per child for education behind New York and some other state. I think throwing more money at k-12 education would be wasteful. It has never been proven to improve quality. I do believe however, that throwing money at recruits like SMU did would be badass! Powerball for Wyoming athletics!
 
I agree. We do not need to put any more money toward k-12 in Wyoming. I'd actually argue for a reduction. Either way, the bill will be around $1 billion a year. And certainly, I want to educate kids so they can stay and work in Wyoming. But I think we, as a country and state, need to work to keep pace - if not stay ahead -of the chinese and others. To ignore what the rest of the world is doing and refuse to force greater accountability and strides from our schools is not a good thought.
 
wyopokes2 said:
It seems kind of weird to me to fire the ACC coach of the year, but then again look at how weak the ACC was this year.....or any year for that matter haha

I have nothing useful to add to this thread but man I like your sig.
 
MrTitleist said:
IMO, I don't think Leach will survive at Maryland.. the ACC and Leach's O don't really seem like a fit, plus the DC media will eat Leach for lunch if he starts gettin' crazy.

Why do you think the Leach O doesn't fit?
I like to think that the right recruits will make it good. Do you remember the 2008 Texas Tech team that ran the ball well? That makes for such a great balance to his pass first and pass heavy style.
 
Leach to Maryland is still a possibility, but if it doesn't work I wonder where else Leach could end up. I know the fans in Pullman are hell-bent on bringing him in to coach Washington State.
 

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