Mike Breske come on down. You're the next contestant...

[WYCowboy]

Boise State went from a totally obscure JC team to BCS bowls - why, because everyone from their governor/legislature down to the players who sit the pine are totally behind their team. There are no slackers allowed and they have a great coaching staff.
That's what it takes to be successful.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Tom Burman, Dave Christensen, Gary Barta, Joe Glenn, it doesn't matter.

95% chance it won't matter who is in charge, Wyo will remain mediocre. Hate to be the one to break it to you, boys.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not one to assume things won't get better. When I was in school the Pokes had a top 10 football and a top 4 basketball program (at least at one point while I was in Laramie). I've witnessed a few top 25 rankings in both as well. That was during the mid 80's and early 90's. We've also had some good programs since....but football has stunk for the most part since Dimel (bad recruiter, but his teams were good).

What's to say it can't happen again? Just look at Utah State, they rose to a top 25 ranking and Wyoming has more going for it than Utah State. The reason I compare us to them is because I think you're a fan.

Go Pokes!!

 

[McPeachy]

Tom Burman, Dave Christensen, Gary Barta, Joe Glenn, it doesn't matter.

95% chance it won't matter who is in charge, Wyo will remain mediocre. Hate to be the one to break it to you, boys.

I believe you are way off base. We just haven't had the right President at UW (since Dubois), the right AD at UW (since Barta & staff - or maybe Cunningham?), nor the right coach at UW (since Roach).

Although some of our fanbase has, in fact, accepted mediocrity. They do think that 6 & 7 win seasons with a bowl game here and there, is just outstanding!

 

[HR_Poke]

Tom Burman, Dave Christensen, Gary Barta, Joe Glenn, it doesn't matter.

95% chance it won't matter who is in charge, Wyo will remain mediocre. Hate to be the one to break it to you, boys.

I believe you are way off base. We just haven't had the right President at UW (since Dubois), the right AD at UW (since Barta & staff - or maybe Cunningham?), nor the right coach at UW (since Roach).

Although some of our fanbase has, in fact, accepted mediocrity. They do think that 6 & 7 win seasons with a bowl game here and there, is just outstanding!

I think you guys are taking the accepting mediocrity thing too far. Everyone of the sunshine pumpers wants us to win and go to a BCS bowl game. But we would rather have a 5-6 win mediocre season than a constant rotating coaching staff that wins 1-2 games a year till we can find that diamond in the rough that has a Brady Hoke season and bails after one year. Boise has had it's level of success because Petersen has stayed and not taken better offers. Had he bailed the year after Hawkins left like most coaches do these days than Boise would be in the same place we are.

 

[McPeachy]

I think you guys are taking the accepting mediocrity thing too far. Everyone of the sunshine pumpers wants us to win and go to a BCS bowl game. But we would rather have a 5-6 win mediocre season than a constant rotating coaching staff that wins 1-2 games a year till we can find that diamond in the rough that has a Brady Hoke season and bails after one year. Boise has had it's level of success because Petersen has stayed and not taken better offers. Had he bailed the year after Hawkins left like most coaches do these days than Boise would be in the same place we are.

You have a point, certainly.

But after 13 - 17 - 25 years (depending on who you talk to) of mediocre-to-shitty football programs - maybe it would have been better to have higher standards and expectations of the football coaching staff, and have that revolving door. Who knows.

That said, Boise has really never had a losing coach / coaching staff (With the exception of one-season flashes in Nutt who bailed to Arkansas, and Mason, who was a interim):


1968–1975 Tony Knap 71 19 1 .786
1976–1982 Jim Criner 59 21 1 .735
1983–1986 Lyle Setencich 24 20 0 .545
1987–1992 Skip Hall 42 28 0 .600
1993–1996 Pokey Allen 24 15 0 .615
1996 Tom Mason* 1 9 .100
1997 Houston Nutt 5 6 .455
1998–2000 Dirk Koetter 26 10 .722
2001–2005 Dan Hawkins 53 11 .828
2006–Present Chris Petersen 89 10 .899

*Mason was the interim head coach for the first 10 games of the 1996 season while head coach Pokey Allen battled cancer.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

First, I'm not so sure that we have more going for us than Utah State. Second, just because Boise did it, doesn't mean everyone else can, too.

They found all the right pieces, they won the lottery, it all panned out.

Odds of everything falling into place perfectly like that aren't very high. My proof? Look at the 75% of college programs who are in our shoes. Occasional good years, tons of mediocrity.

And we had a Top 4 basketball program in the 80s? You sure about that?

 

[HR_Poke]

First, I'm not so sure that we have more going for us than Utah State. Second, just because Boise did it, doesn't mean everyone else can, too.

They found all the right pieces, they won the lottery, it all panned out.

Odds of everything falling into place perfectly like that aren't very high. My proof? Look at the 75% of college programs who are in our shoes. Occasional good years, tons of mediocrity.

And we had a Top 4 basketball program in the 80s? You sure about that?

Exactly. And my worry is that if we play the rotating coach game ticket sales and attendance tank. Then how do we expect to attract any decent coach when we can barely afford to keep the lights on.

 

[stymeman]

let's hire Vic Koenning or Dana Dimel, they were Defensive minds, were they not....(tongue in cheek of course)

 

[SDPokeFan]

Let's face it, fellas. The big win over Air Force, combined with the close loss at Nebraska, gave us a false illusion of what this team is, which is just another shitty team in a long, seemingly unending line of shitty teams Wyoming has turned out since Joe Tiller left. It's a broken record every year. An potentially explosive, yet inconsistent offense, a horrible, horrible defense (seriously...why can't we ever get better at defense? Of all the problems this team has, this is the one that is slowly driving me insane) terrible offensive line play and zero pass rush. We got borderline D1 players that in all likelihood should be placing FCS football. That is why I continue to say Wyoming should move down to FCS and dominate. That, or we can continue to field piss poor FBS teams and hope we pull a 7-5 or 6-6 season out of our ass every five years and go to the Dunder-Mifflin Paper Bowl. At this point I figure DC and Tormey must have naked photos of Burman doing something. How they still have jobs is beyond me.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Let's face it, fellas. The big win over Air Force, combined with the close loss at Nebraska, gave us a false illusion of what this team is, which is just another shitty team in a long, seemingly unending line of shitty teams Wyoming has turned out since Joe Tiller left. It's a broken record every year. An potentially explosive, yet inconsistent offense, a horrible, horrible defense (seriously...why can't we ever get better at defense? Of all the problems this team has, this is the one that is slowly driving me insane) terrible offensive line play and zero pass rush. We got borderline D1 players that in all likelihood should be placing FCS football. That is why I continue to say Wyoming should move down to FCS and dominate. That, or we can continue to field piss poor FBS teams and hope we pull a 7-5 or 6-6 season out of our ass every five years and go to the Dunder-Mifflin Paper Bowl. At this point I figure DC and Tormey must have naked photos of Burman doing something. How they still have jobs is beyond me.

I don't agree at all. That move will completely alienate the Wyoming fan base. We need better leadership. We've been a top dog in the past and can be again in the future.

We're 4-3 not 0-7. We just came out flat and got steam rolled. But games like that lead to posts like yours. I am not a bandwagon fan, so am still thinking this season isn't lost.

Go Pokes!!

 

[McPeachy]

Let's face it, fellas. The big win over Air Force, combined with the close loss at Nebraska, gave us a false illusion of what this team is, which is just another shitty team in a long, seemingly unending line of shitty teams Wyoming has turned out since Joe Tiller left. It's a broken record every year. An potentially explosive, yet inconsistent offense, a horrible, horrible defense (seriously...why can't we ever get better at defense? Of all the problems this team has, this is the one that is slowly driving me insane) terrible offensive line play and zero pass rush. We got borderline D1 players that in all likelihood should be placing FCS football. That is why I continue to say Wyoming should move down to FCS and dominate. That, or we can continue to field piss poor FBS teams and hope we pull a 7-5 or 6-6 season out of our ass every five years and go to the Dunder-Mifflin Paper Bowl. At this point I figure DC and Tormey must have naked photos of Burman doing something. How they still have jobs is beyond me.

I don't agree at all. That move will completely alienate the Wyoming fan base. We need better leadership. We've been a top dog in the past and can be again in the future.

We're 4-3 not 0-7. We just came out flat and got steam rolled. But games like that lead to posts like yours. I am not a bandwagon fan, so am still thinking this season isn't lost.

Go Pokes!!

Truth is...UW wouldn't dominate at the FCS level. Lose the scholarships, structure (although it is weak right now), fan & booster support, state government support, budget decreases, etc., and UW would be another Northern Colorado - not dominating shit.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Let's face it, fellas. The big win over Air Force, combined with the close loss at Nebraska, gave us a false illusion of what this team is, which is just another shitty team in a long, seemingly unending line of shitty teams Wyoming has turned out since Joe Tiller left. It's a broken record every year. An potentially explosive, yet inconsistent offense, a horrible, horrible defense (seriously...why can't we ever get better at defense? Of all the problems this team has, this is the one that is slowly driving me insane) terrible offensive line play and zero pass rush. We got borderline D1 players that in all likelihood should be placing FCS football. That is why I continue to say Wyoming should move down to FCS and dominate. That, or we can continue to field piss poor FBS teams and hope we pull a 7-5 or 6-6 season out of our ass every five years and go to the Dunder-Mifflin Paper Bowl. At this point I figure DC and Tormey must have naked photos of Burman doing something. How they still have jobs is beyond me.

I don't agree at all. That move will completely alienate the Wyoming fan base. We need better leadership. We've been a top dog in the past and can be again in the future.

We're 4-3 not 0-7. We just came out flat and got steam rolled. But games like that lead to posts like yours. I am not a bandwagon fan, so am still thinking this season isn't lost.

Go Pokes!!

Truth is...UW wouldn't dominate at the FCS level. Lose the scholarships, structure (although it is weak right now), fan & booster support, state government support, budget decreases, etc., and UW would be another Northern Colorado - not dominating shit.

I've never understood why a move to FCS would automatically mean losing fan and booster support. Is it not still the University of Wyoming? Right now Wyoming is an FBS football program only in name, not results. You'll never convince me people wouldn't support a consistent winner at the FCS level (think along the lines of Montana, North Dakota State, etc.) when they bend over backwards to support the shit we put on the field now. It's that important to pump out our chests and say "We're FBS?!" I personally would rather have a team that wins, regardless of labels.

 

[McPeachy]

I've never understood why a move to FCS would automatically mean losing fan and booster support. Is it not still the University of Wyoming? Right now Wyoming is an FBS football program only in name, not results. You'll never convince me people wouldn't support a consistent winner at the FCS level (think along the lines of Montana, North Dakota State, etc.) when they bend over backwards to support the shit we put on the field now. It's that important to pump out our chests and say "We're FBS?!" I personally would rather have a team that wins, regardless of labels.

I can honestly tell you, I have grown up around FBS programs (Wyoming primarily), and passionately have been a fan of FBS football (again Wyoming) - to have Wyoming drop a level - or quit the FBS game - would be absolutely devastating to me. I would be so GD mad and stunned, I would drop my support for UW in a heartbeat. Selfish - probably yes. ASU here I come.

I guess if you had never grown up around a FBS team / program, or are a "new" fan to that team / program, and maybe don't know the history and tradition of that program, or quite honestly don't care about athletics in general, then I could possibly see your point.

 

[SDPokeFan]

I've never understood why a move to FCS would automatically mean losing fan and booster support. Is it not still the University of Wyoming? Right now Wyoming is an FBS football program only in name, not results. You'll never convince me people wouldn't support a consistent winner at the FCS level (think along the lines of Montana, North Dakota State, etc.) when they bend over backwards to support the shit we put on the field now. It's that important to pump out our chests and say "We're FBS?!" I personally would rather have a team that wins, regardless of labels.

I can honestly tell you, I have grown up around FBS programs (Wyoming primarily), and passionately have been a fan of FBS football (again Wyoming) - to have Wyoming drop a level - or quit the FBS game - would be absolutely devastating to me. I would be so GD mad and stunned, I would drop my support for UW in a heartbeat. Selfish - probably yes. ASU here I come.

I guess if you had never grown up around a FBS team / program, or are a "new" fan to that team / program, and maybe don't know the history and tradition of that program, or quite honestly don't care about athletics in general, then I could possibly see your point.

I grew up in history. I know the team's history well. I have followed them since I was a little boy. But I'm sick of living in the past. This program's history is all we have to hang our hats on. I have been saying for 15 years "It's going to get turned around." Guess what...it hasn't. Would you rather have a power FCS team that consistently goes deep in the playoffs, maybe wins a title or two, or an FBS team that wins 4 to 6 games every year?

 

[BeaverPoke]

If I had to choose between 4 and 6 wins a year or going deep in the playoffs, I'm all for FCS. But, I refuse to believe Wyoming is only a 4-6 win team. I want BCS Bowls.
Is it realistic? Hell no.
Is that my expectation? Damn right.

But wait, weren't there a bunch of people telling me I have low expectations for Wyo football? Hahaha!!!

 

[WyoBrandX]

I've never understood why a move to FCS would automatically mean losing fan and booster support. Is it not still the University of Wyoming? Right now Wyoming is an FBS football program only in name, not results. You'll never convince me people wouldn't support a consistent winner at the FCS level (think along the lines of Montana, North Dakota State, etc.) when they bend over backwards to support the shit we put on the field now. It's that important to pump out our chests and say "We're FBS?!" I personally would rather have a team that wins, regardless of labels.

I can honestly tell you, I have grown up around FBS programs (Wyoming primarily), and passionately have been a fan of FBS football (again Wyoming) - to have Wyoming drop a level - or quit the FBS game - would be absolutely devastating to me. I would be so GD mad and stunned, I would drop my support for UW in a heartbeat. Selfish - probably yes. ASU here I come.

I guess if you had never grown up around a FBS team / program, or are a "new" fan to that team / program, and maybe don't know the history and tradition of that program, or quite honestly don't care about athletics in general, then I could possibly see your point.

I grew up in history. I know the team's history well. I have followed them since I was a little boy. But I'm sick of living in the past. This program's history is all we have to hang our hats on. I have been saying for 15 years "It's going to get turned around." Guess what...it hasn't. Would you rather have a power FCS team that consistently goes deep in the playoffs, maybe wins a title or two, or an FBS team that wins 4 to 6 games every year?

Bah - dropping FCS is for losers. Real football programs play at the FBS level. If we are going to do that, we might as well just give up and turn the war into some classrooms and quit sponsoring football altogether.

History isn't our problem. Its the current components of our administration that have been holding us down.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

F*#% this going to the FCS nonsense. The whole premise is failed logic. If we go FCS, the quality of our recruits will undoubtedly drop further. Not to mention that it is likely that moving to FCS will actually increase overall athletic costs due to the for sure decrease in football and donor revenue.

 

[J-Rod]

HAHAHAHAHA Without fucking fail. This is a great message board, but sometimes I can only laugh. Win a few games, and sunshine pumpers envision multiple BCS bowl games. Lose a few games in ugly fashion, and here comes the Big Sky talk all over again!

Never in the middle.....always on the far ends of the spectrum. :lol:

 

[Cuttslam]

I've never understood why a move to FCS would automatically mean losing fan and booster support. Is it not still the University of Wyoming? Right now Wyoming is an FBS football program only in name, not results. You'll never convince me people wouldn't support a consistent winner at the FCS level (think along the lines of Montana, North Dakota State, etc.) when they bend over backwards to support the shit we put on the field now. It's that important to pump out our chests and say "We're FBS?!" I personally would rather have a team that wins, regardless of labels.

I can honestly tell you, I have grown up around FBS programs (Wyoming primarily), and passionately have been a fan of FBS football (again Wyoming) - to have Wyoming drop a level - or quit the FBS game - would be absolutely devastating to me. I would be so GD mad and stunned, I would drop my support for UW in a heartbeat. Selfish - probably yes. ASU here I come.

I guess if you had never grown up around a FBS team / program, or are a "new" fan to that team / program, and maybe don't know the history and tradition of that program, or quite honestly don't care about athletics in general, then I could possibly see your point.

I would go ahead and jump on that ASU train now because she is starting to roll. Now Todd Graham is one hell of a coach.

 

[BeaverPoke]

OS>ASU