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Mediocrity
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TSpoke
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I was all for making a change this year but I read Vorel's sports chat yesterday and he said something that made me think. He said that with the mess that is going on within the university we might have a hard time attracting a good coach here right now. I do not want to fire DC to only have the mess that the BOT created scare off any decent HC potential hires and be left with a Vic Koenig 2.0 and have to give him 4-5 years before we make another change. It would be better to bite the bullet and keep DC one more year and get our shit together at old main. Hire a president, maybe get a new AD, get funding for the program, then make a hire next year if things are not turned around.
If we don't think that the problems at the top of the University will affect the hiring of a coach then we can go ahead and make the change this year but the more I think about it I think it will have to ahve an effect. Why would someone jump from a lower conference or division to take over a program that is struggling and you are not sure what type of support you are gonna get from the top. There will be other opportunities for these coaches to a more certain situation.
Bottom line, if we can't make the type of hire we want to make(Bohl, Kansascowboys list) then I would rather wait 1 year till we can make that hire rather than 4 or 5 years after we get and fire the only person willing to take this job.
If we don't think that the problems at the top of the University will affect the hiring of a coach then we can go ahead and make the change this year but the more I think about it I think it will have to ahve an effect. Why would someone jump from a lower conference or division to take over a program that is struggling and you are not sure what type of support you are gonna get from the top. There will be other opportunities for these coaches to a more certain situation.
Bottom line, if we can't make the type of hire we want to make(Bohl, Kansascowboys list) then I would rather wait 1 year till we can make that hire rather than 4 or 5 years after we get and fire the only person willing to take this job.
McPeachy
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YankPoke said:
You may be right...I don't know. He is making (reportedly) $850,000 at Western Fricken Kentucky with a 4 year contact, and the kicker, supposedly he has a 1.2 million dollar buy out. He is in year one as well - so that doesn't help.
Further, I found it interesting (and that not many people here know) how many ties he has to the Western US...having coached in some capacity at Carroll College, Weber State, Idaho, the Almighty ASU, Nevada, and Utah State.
COS Cowboy
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TSpoke said:
That's what I'm saying. If you fire DC now, get ready for Heath Shroyer, football edition.
Another way to look at it is it (retaining Christensen) would reinforce Wyoming's "unchangeable" image. Failure on the BOT's part to step in and right the football program with a solid hire might indicate to a highly competent executive candidate a much deeper and systemic problem.COS Cowboy said:
At this point, executive intervention is warranted.
TSpoke
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Wyovanian said:
Not sure I follow. You are saying that if we give DC another year it would reduce the chances of landing a coach? Coaches constantly complain about their colleagues getting fired too quick(look at the reaction after Schroyer was fired) so I don't think that is the case.
I highlighted your tern "solid hire" cuz that is the point. I think that there is a chance that firing DC this year will drastically hurt our chances to make a solid hire this year due to the mess going on with the prez and BOT. I am not saying I beleive we should keep DC I am just saying this could be an issue. Burman had better do some sneaky asking around before he decideds to do anything.
This isn't a normal"we shouldn't fire X because we won't get anyone better" worry. I hate those thoughts and I truely beleive we can get a great coach in here because we have a lot going for us. However, with what has just transpired at the University and the mess that the BOT has made has to of hurt our reputation. Hell I love the university with a passion and I have a pretty low view of it right now and have no faith in the people running it. Just think what a coach with no ties to UW must think.
Someone help me out here....I heard today that counting Christensen the university is still paying four head football coaches. Is it true that we are still paying off buyouts for the last three football coaches? And if so DC would make us four former coaches in debt? That seems ludicrous to me!
McPeachy
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Slow Hand said:
Whomever you heard that from - go find them. Then when you do, kick them as hard in the taint as you possibly can. The information is not only inaccurate, it is completely off base and rediculous. We are not paying the last head coach any longer - that deal was closed at termination (Joe Glenn) and sure as hell aren't paying off Vic & Dana (the 2 previous coaches)!
You would essentially end up with a Tormey situation but as a HC instead of a DC. You get some shitty coach because everyone else looked at the university and said hell no to that mess. Has nothing to do with culture or leadership. Burman can't do anything about what the BOT does. Even if you replaced the entire BOT you are going to have a stigma of mismanagement of the university for a while. Nothing will resolve that quickly.TSpoke said:
McPeachy said:
Not sure I would want to kick them in the taint....LOL but the assertion was that their buy out clause was not a lump sum but rather payments spread out to sustain them if they were not to find employment and to ease the burden on the university. I think this is difficult to prove since the method of payments for the severance packages are not made public only the amounts?
Here is an excerpt from an ESPN article that illustrated the different ways severance is paid out:
"Cooper got a lump sum payment of $1.8 million when he was booted as Buckeyes coach in 2000. Jim Donnan, who was Georgia's head coach for five seasons, received $2.4 million when he was fired that same year. Bob Toledo is collecting more than $1.3 million over a six-year period after being fired by UCLA last year."
"Cooper got a lump sum payment of $1.8 million when he was booted as Buckeyes coach in 2000. Jim Donnan, who was Georgia's head coach for five seasons, received $2.4 million when he was fired that same year. Bob Toledo is collecting more than $1.3 million over a six-year period after being fired by UCLA last year."
You're comparing our current situation to that of a program in a 3-5 year skid. That's not the case with UW. This is going on almost 15 years now. Standing pat with Christensen (and Burman for that matter) looks a lot like procrastination and lack of urgency and reinforces the whole complacent image. A couple of Trustees (backed by the Governor) deciding to take the reins on this thing, given the exigencies of the moment, would make a big statement and go a lot further than playing it "safe" and riding the storm out. We're steaming in circles while waves crash over the deck. Point this thing into the wind and make for the squall line. You're far more likely to attract a rainmaker with bold action than you are with circling the wagons.TSpoke said:
