Mediocrity

[kdwrightuwyo]

Man, you all need to wipe the sand out of your vaginas...this back and forth telling each other to fuck off is beyond stupid.

Go get you some Vagasil.

 

[ELKMT]

Both Roach and Tiller supported the DC hire.

 

[fromolwyoming]

It did seem like a good hire at the time, but now, yeah.

I don't care what kind offense or defense we run, but first things first, we need o-linemen and d-linemen that do not get pushed around, especially by undersized players on the opposite side. If we run the spread, the o-linemen need to have quick feet so we can do more than a 3 step dropback, but strong and big enough to create holes to run through. For the d-line, if we're running the 3-4 defense, we need bigger guys up front. The NT needs to be around 315-320lbs minimum and the DEs no lighter than 270lbs, preferably bigger if possible, but 270 or so works. Everything in football begins up front. If our linemen suck, so does the rest of the team, no matter how good they may be.

 

[ELKMT]

on't care what kind offense or defense we run, but first things first, we need o-linemen and d-linemen that do not get pushed around, especially by undersized players on the opposite side. If we run the spread, the o-linemen need to have quick feet so we can do more than a 3 step dropback, but strong and big enough to create holes to run through. For the d-line, if we're running the 3-4 defense, we need bigger guys up front. The NT needs to be around 315-320lbs minimum and the DEs no lighter than 270lbs, preferably bigger if possible, but 270 or so works. Everything in football begins up front. If our linemen suck, so does the rest of the team, no matter how good they may

I would agree with what u say other than your weights for the 3-4. Fred Givens was only 300 pounds and Mitch Unrein and John Fletcher were under 270 during there Sophmore seasons (07). Also the average weight of a NT in the NFL is 325, so a college NT will be lighter.

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2013/03/07/eagles-could-look-for-nose-tackle-in-free-agency/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[fromolwyoming]

on't care what kind offense or defense we run, but first things first, we need o-linemen and d-linemen that do not get pushed around, especially by undersized players on the opposite side. If we run the spread, the o-linemen need to have quick feet so we can do more than a 3 step dropback, but strong and big enough to create holes to run through. For the d-line, if we're running the 3-4 defense, we need bigger guys up front. The NT needs to be around 315-320lbs minimum and the DEs no lighter than 270lbs, preferably bigger if possible, but 270 or so works. Everything in football begins up front. If our linemen suck, so does the rest of the team, no matter how good they may

I would agree with what u say other than your weights for the 3-4. Fred Givens was only 300 pounds and Mitch Unrein and John Fletcher were under 270 during there Sophmore seasons (07). Also the average weight of a NT in the NFL is 325, so a college NT will be lighter.

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2013/03/07/eagles-could-look-for-nose-tackle-in-free-agency/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Their senior year though, Fletcher was nearly 280lbs and Unrein was nearly 300lbs. And arguably, they were more effective too. At that point, they are the right size for DEs in a 3-4 defense.

And yeah, a college NT will be lighter, doesn't mean they should be a DT slapped with the "NT" label though.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Going back to the Shyatt hiring...Shyatt wanted to be here.

Tom Burman didn't go out and convince Shyatt that Wyo was the place to be.
Shyatt and his wife already made that choice when they were living in Florida.

Burman got lucky with Shyatt.

Giving credit to Burman for getting Shyatt back here would be like giving credit to a football coach for recruiting a 5 star player who dreamed of playing for Wyo. The only way you can give credit for it, is for not fucking it up and running him off.

 

[McPeachy]

Going back to the Shyatt hiring...Shyatt wanted to be here.

Tom Burman didn't go out and convince Shyatt that Wyo was the place to be.
Shyatt and his wife already made that choice when they were living in Florida.

Burman got lucky with Shyatt.

Giving credit to Burman for getting Shyatt back here would be like giving credit to a football coach for recruiting a 5 star player who dreamed of playing for Wyo. The only way you can give credit for it, is for not fucking it up and running him off.

Spot on Beav. And don't forget Shyatt wasn't hired by Burman, he was hired by a search committee - made up of people like Joe Legerski, etc.

 

[YankPoke]

Going back to the Shyatt hiring...Shyatt wanted to be here.

Tom Burman didn't go out and convince Shyatt that Wyo was the place to be.
Shyatt and his wife already made that choice when they were living in Florida.

Burman got lucky with Shyatt.

Giving credit to Burman for getting Shyatt back here would be like giving credit to a football coach for recruiting a 5 star player who dreamed of playing for Wyo. The only way you can give credit for it, is for not fucking it up and running him off.

Spot on Beav. And don't forget Shyatt wasn't hired by Burman, he was hired by a search committee - made up of people like Joe Legerski, etc.

Pretty much every coach now is hired through search committees.

 

[McPeachy]

Going back to the Shyatt hiring...Shyatt wanted to be here.

Tom Burman didn't go out and convince Shyatt that Wyo was the place to be.
Shyatt and his wife already made that choice when they were living in Florida.

Burman got lucky with Shyatt.

Giving credit to Burman for getting Shyatt back here would be like giving credit to a football coach for recruiting a 5 star player who dreamed of playing for Wyo. The only way you can give credit for it, is for not fucking it up and running him off.

Spot on Beav. And don't forget Shyatt wasn't hired by Burman, he was hired by a search committee - made up of people like Joe Legerski, etc.

Pretty much every coach now is hired through search committees.

Wasn't that way at UW - until Shyatt. That I know of for certain:

1. Schroyer - No.
2. DC - No.
3. Branch - No.
4. Volleyball (Yerty) - No.

But hey, WTF, 25% ain't bad - although that 25% was tough to miss on, considering the pool is so shallow.

 

[wyokoke]

Going back to the Shyatt hiring...Shyatt wanted to be here.

Tom Burman didn't go out and convince Shyatt that Wyo was the place to be.
Shyatt and his wife already made that choice when they were living in Florida.

Burman got lucky with Shyatt.

Giving credit to Burman for getting Shyatt back here would be like giving credit to a football coach for recruiting a 5 star player who dreamed of playing for Wyo. The only way you can give credit for it, is for not fucking it up and running him off.

Spot on Beav. And don't forget Shyatt wasn't hired by Burman, he was hired by a search committee - made up of people like Joe Legerski, etc.

Pretty much every coach now is hired through search committees.

Wasn't that way at UW - until Shyatt. That I know of for certain:

1. Schroyer - No.
2. DC - No.
3. Branch - No.
4. Volleyball (Yerty) - No.

But hey, WTF, 25% ain't bad - although that 25% was tough to miss on, considering the pool is so shallow.

I'd argue that at the time of the hire, DC was a huge deal. He was the best OC in the country at the time...I woukd guess you were pretty thrilled with getting a guy like that, then even more when he tooj his first team to a bowl win. Obviously, since then though its been a downhill slide

 

[McPeachy]

I'd argue that at the time of the hire, DC was a huge deal. He was the best OC in the country at the time...I woukd guess you were pretty thrilled with getting a guy like that, then even more when he tooj his first team to a bowl win. Obviously, since then though its been a downhill slide

He wasn't my first choice to coach UW by any means - but yes, to answer your question, before I met him personally, I thought he was a solid hire. My expectations were that he would compete for a MWC championship in year 3 or 4 at the most.

Here were some of my choices back then that I can remember:

1. Dan Mullen (Florida OC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
2. Charlie Strong (Florida DC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
3. Rick Neuheisel (Ravens OC I think)
4. Gary Barnett (TV at the time?)
5. Dennis Franchione (Texas A&M HC - Fired)
6. Larry Coker (TV at the time?)
7. Gregg Brandon (would have probably failed)
8. Norm Chow (would have probably failed)
9. Frank Solich (Ohio HC)
10. Terry Bowden (TV at the time?)
11. Mike Price (HC at Utep at the time?)

EDIT: He wasn't the best OC in the country at the time I would also like to argue. Also - I was thrilled with the bowl game, and the results of the game, certainly (and I was there). Although - we got to 6&6 against such a tough group (Weber, FAU, NM, UNLV, CSU, SDSU) - thank god for ACS and all of Joe Glenn's recruits (oh and Marty's 3-4 defense before DC got his hands on it) or we may have not made it.

 

[wyokoke]

I'd argue that at the time of the hire, DC was a huge deal. He was the best OC in the country at the time...I woukd guess you were pretty thrilled with getting a guy like that, then even more when he tooj his first team to a bowl win. Obviously, since then though its been a downhill slide

He wasn't my first choice to coach UW by any means - but yes, to answer your question, before I met him personally, I thought he was a solid hire. My expectations were that he would compete for a MWC championship in year 3 or 4 at the most.

Here were some of my choices back then that I can remember:

1. Dan Mullen (Florida OC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
2. Charlie Strong (Florida DC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
3. Rick Neuheisel (Ravens OC I think)
4. Gary Barnett (TV at the time?)
5. Dennis Franchione (Texas A&M HC - Fired)
6. Larry Coker (TV at the time?)
7. Gregg Brandon (would have probably failed)
8. Norm Chow (would have probably failed)
9. Frank Solich (Ohio HC)
10. Terry Bowden (TV at the time?)
11. Mike Price (HC at Utep at the time?)

Okay I was basically in tge same boat, I don't remember who I wanted but I do know i was happy with what we had. That looks like a decent list you had there, who would be your top few candidates now?

 

[McPeachy]

I'd argue that at the time of the hire, DC was a huge deal. He was the best OC in the country at the time...I woukd guess you were pretty thrilled with getting a guy like that, then even more when he tooj his first team to a bowl win. Obviously, since then though its been a downhill slide

He wasn't my first choice to coach UW by any means - but yes, to answer your question, before I met him personally, I thought he was a solid hire. My expectations were that he would compete for a MWC championship in year 3 or 4 at the most.

Here were some of my choices back then that I can remember:

1. Dan Mullen (Florida OC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
2. Charlie Strong (Florida DC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
3. Rick Neuheisel (Ravens OC I think)
4. Gary Barnett (TV at the time?)
5. Dennis Franchione (Texas A&M HC - Fired)
6. Larry Coker (TV at the time?)
7. Gregg Brandon (would have probably failed)
8. Norm Chow (would have probably failed)
9. Frank Solich (Ohio HC)
10. Terry Bowden (TV at the time?)
11. Mike Price (HC at Utep at the time?)

Okay I was basically in tge same boat, I don't remember who I wanted but I do know i was happy with what we had. That looks like a decent list you had there, who would be your top few candidates now?

It is kind of interesting, but Kansascowboy put together a pretty solid list. I like Bobby Petrino as my #1 choice, followed by (in no particular order): Frank Solich, Dennis Franchione, Pete Lembo, Larry Coker, Skip Holtz, Jim Leavitt, Matt Campbell, Mark Hudspeth, Rod Carey, Terry Bowden.

 

[wyokoke]

I'd argue that at the time of the hire, DC was a huge deal. He was the best OC in the country at the time...I woukd guess you were pretty thrilled with getting a guy like that, then even more when he tooj his first team to a bowl win. Obviously, since then though its been a downhill slide

He wasn't my first choice to coach UW by any means - but yes, to answer your question, before I met him personally, I thought he was a solid hire. My expectations were that he would compete for a MWC championship in year 3 or 4 at the most.

Here were some of my choices back then that I can remember:

1. Dan Mullen (Florida OC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
2. Charlie Strong (Florida DC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
3. Rick Neuheisel (Ravens OC I think)
4. Gary Barnett (TV at the time?)
5. Dennis Franchione (Texas A&M HC - Fired)
6. Larry Coker (TV at the time?)
7. Gregg Brandon (would have probably failed)
8. Norm Chow (would have probably failed)
9. Frank Solich (Ohio HC)
10. Terry Bowden (TV at the time?)
11. Mike Price (HC at Utep at the time?)

Okay I was basically in tge same boat, I don't remember who I wanted but I do know i was happy with what we had. That looks like a decent list you had there, who would be your top few candidates now?

It is kind of interesting, but Kansascowboy put together a pretty solid list. I like Bobby Petrino as my #1 choice, followed by (in no particular order): Frank Solich, Dennis Franchione, Pete Lembo, Larry Coker, Skip Holtz, Jim Leavitt, Matt Campbell, Mark Hudspeth, Rod Carey, Terry Bowden.

Okay, I can't argue that too much, I am on the Bohl bandwagon but understand why you and some others aren't. I don't see Petrino coming here, but that would be great if he did i think. Off that list I really like Lembo and Campbell

 

[Wyovanian]

I'd argue that at the time of the hire, DC was a huge deal. He was the best OC in the country at the time...I woukd guess you were pretty thrilled with getting a guy like that, then even more when he tooj his first team to a bowl win. Obviously, since then though its been a downhill slide

He wasn't my first choice to coach UW by any means - but yes, to answer your question, before I met him personally, I thought he was a solid hire. My expectations were that he would compete for a MWC championship in year 3 or 4 at the most.

Here were some of my choices back then that I can remember:

1. Dan Mullen (Florida OC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
2. Charlie Strong (Florida DC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
3. Rick Neuheisel (Ravens OC I think)
4. Gary Barnett (TV at the time?)
5. Dennis Franchione (Texas A&M HC - Fired)
6. Larry Coker (TV at the time?)
7. Gregg Brandon (would have probably failed)
8. Norm Chow (would have probably failed)
9. Frank Solich (Ohio HC)
10. Terry Bowden (TV at the time?)
11. Mike Price (HC at Utep at the time?)

Okay I was basically in tge same boat, I don't remember who I wanted but I do know i was happy with what we had. That looks like a decent list you had there, who would be your top few candidates now?

It is kind of interesting, but Kansascowboy put together a pretty solid list. I like Bobby Petrino as my #1 choice, followed by (in no particular order): Frank Solich, Dennis Franchione, Pete Lembo, Larry Coker, Skip Holtz, Jim Leavitt, Matt Campbell, Mark Hudspeth, Rod Carey, Terry Bowden.

Petrino would be a splashy hire, but I'm not sure if his price tag would truly be reflective of his baggage and potential downside. In particular order, I'd say Lembo, Campbell, Leavitt, Hudspeth, Petrino, Franchione, Carey, Bowden, and Holtz. I think everyone after Hudspeth would be pretty spendy, and with the exception of Petrino and Carey, more iffy on deliverables than the rest. I'm not too sold on Solich- he's actually quite a bedsh--ter. Another person, who, if not an HC candidate, might not be a bad consideration for some sort of role would be Chris Ault. He's currently "consulting" for Kansas City.

 

[wyokoke]

I'd argue that at the time of the hire, DC was a huge deal. He was the best OC in the country at the time...I woukd guess you were pretty thrilled with getting a guy like that, then even more when he tooj his first team to a bowl win. Obviously, since then though its been a downhill slide

He wasn't my first choice to coach UW by any means - but yes, to answer your question, before I met him personally, I thought he was a solid hire. My expectations were that he would compete for a MWC championship in year 3 or 4 at the most.

Here were some of my choices back then that I can remember:

1. Dan Mullen (Florida OC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
2. Charlie Strong (Florida DC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
3. Rick Neuheisel (Ravens OC I think)
4. Gary Barnett (TV at the time?)
5. Dennis Franchione (Texas A&M HC - Fired)
6. Larry Coker (TV at the time?)
7. Gregg Brandon (would have probably failed)
8. Norm Chow (would have probably failed)
9. Frank Solich (Ohio HC)
10. Terry Bowden (TV at the time?)
11. Mike Price (HC at Utep at the time?)

Okay I was basically in tge same boat, I don't remember who I wanted but I do know i was happy with what we had. That looks like a decent list you had there, who would be your top few candidates now?

It is kind of interesting, but Kansascowboy put together a pretty solid list. I like Bobby Petrino as my #1 choice, followed by (in no particular order): Frank Solich, Dennis Franchione, Pete Lembo, Larry Coker, Skip Holtz, Jim Leavitt, Matt Campbell, Mark Hudspeth, Rod Carey, Terry Bowden.

Petrino would be a splashy hire, but I'm not sure if his price tag would truly be reflective of his baggage and potential downside. In particular order, I'd say Lembo, Campbell, Leavitt, Hudspeth, Petrino, Franchione, Carey, Bowden, and Holtz. I think everyone after Hudspeth would be pretty spendy, and with the exception of Petrino and Carey, more iffy on deliverables than the rest. I'm not too sold on Solich- he's actually quite a bedsh--ter. Another person, who, if not an HC candidate, might not be a bad consideration for some sort of role would be Chris Ault. He's currently "consulting" for Kansas City.

I'm not too worried about Petrino's "issues," I just don't see him making a basically lateral move, especially leaving the south to do so, without a real hefty check

 

[McPeachy]

Okay, I can't argue that too much, I am on the Bohl bandwagon but understand why you and some others aren't. I don't see Petrino coming here, but that would be great if he did i think. Off that list I really like Lembo and Campbell

My thing...this time...I think it is crucial for UW to go after somebody that has been a HC at the FBS - D1 level, and knows how it works being a HC at the FBS - D1 level. Ever since Paul Roach (super qualified), UW has failed on hires (OC / DC or FCS) - Tiller, Dimel, Koenig, Glenn, Christensen. With Tiller being the exception (maybe - debatable by some).

DC waltzed into Laramie with the Napolean attitude of doing things his way, without the experience of being a HC, and it didn't work (and doesn't work).

Getting a guy like Petrino (and others) to Wyoming - knowing how to run things, would be a huge step. Maybe that person would leave after 2-3 or so years if successful, but that is ok with me - as it means UW won.

I also think time is running short on FBS D1 football for Wyoming. If we don't get off the pot pretty soon - we may end up rivals with Idaho State & Montana - if you know what I mean.

 

[wyokoke]

Okay, I can't argue that too much, I am on the Bohl bandwagon but understand why you and some others aren't. I don't see Petrino coming here, but that would be great if he did i think. Off that list I really like Lembo and Campbell

My thing...this time...I think it is crucial for UW to go after somebody that has been a HC at the FBS - D1 level, and knows how it works being a HC at the FBS - D1 level. Ever since Paul Roach (super qualified), UW has failed on hires (OC / DC or FCS) - Tiller, Dimel, Koenig, Glenn, Christensen. With Tiller being the exception (maybe - debatable by some).

DC waltzed into Laramie with the Napolean attitude of doing things his way, without the experience of being a HC, and it didn't work (and doesn't work).

Getting a guy like Petrino (and others) to Wyoming - knowing how to run things, would be a huge step. Maybe that person would leave after 2-3 or so years if successful, but that is ok with me - as it means UW won.

I also think time is running short on FBS D1 football for Wyoming. If we don't get off the pot pretty soon - we may end up rivals with Idaho State & Montana - if you know what I mean.

Yeah I know where you're coming from, i understand some people wanting someone with experience at this level instead of Bohl or yhe EWU guy (I forget his name). I don't thonk we do get Bohl, I could see the Huskers grabbing him. But a guy like Lembo, I wouldn't complain a bit.there either, most of that list really

 

[Wyovanian]

I'd argue that at the time of the hire, DC was a huge deal. He was the best OC in the country at the time...I woukd guess you were pretty thrilled with getting a guy like that, then even more when he tooj his first team to a bowl win. Obviously, since then though its been a downhill slide

He wasn't my first choice to coach UW by any means - but yes, to answer your question, before I met him personally, I thought he was a solid hire. My expectations were that he would compete for a MWC championship in year 3 or 4 at the most.

Here were some of my choices back then that I can remember:

1. Dan Mullen (Florida OC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
2. Charlie Strong (Florida DC) - Urban's staff - intrigued me
3. Rick Neuheisel (Ravens OC I think)
4. Gary Barnett (TV at the time?)
5. Dennis Franchione (Texas A&M HC - Fired)
6. Larry Coker (TV at the time?)
7. Gregg Brandon (would have probably failed)
8. Norm Chow (would have probably failed)
9. Frank Solich (Ohio HC)
10. Terry Bowden (TV at the time?)
11. Mike Price (HC at Utep at the time?)

Okay I was basically in tge same boat, I don't remember who I wanted but I do know i was happy with what we had. That looks like a decent list you had there, who would be your top few candidates now?

It is kind of interesting, but Kansascowboy put together a pretty solid list. I like Bobby Petrino as my #1 choice, followed by (in no particular order): Frank Solich, Dennis Franchione, Pete Lembo, Larry Coker, Skip Holtz, Jim Leavitt, Matt Campbell, Mark Hudspeth, Rod Carey, Terry Bowden.

Petrino would be a splashy hire, but I'm not sure if his price tag would truly be reflective of his baggage and potential downside. In particular order, I'd say Lembo, Campbell, Leavitt, Hudspeth, Petrino, Franchione, Carey, Bowden, and Holtz. I think everyone after Hudspeth would be pretty spendy, and with the exception of Petrino and Carey, more iffy on deliverables than the rest. I'm not too sold on Solich- he's actually quite a bedsh--ter. Another person, who, if not an HC candidate, might not be a bad consideration for some sort of role would be Chris Ault. He's currently "consulting" for Kansas City.

I'm not too worried about Petrino's "issues," I just don't see him making a basically lateral move, especially leaving the south to do so, without a real hefty check

Western Kentucky to Wyoming would hardly be a lateral move. A winning Wyoming program has far more upside than a winning Western Kentucky one.

 

[McPeachy]

Western Kentucky to Wyoming would hardly be a lateral move. A winning Wyoming program has far more upside than a winning Western Kentucky one.

Completely Agree.

UW may have to pony up 1.5 with incentives, etc., to land Petrino - but I certainly feel that he would win here and make a name for himself (again). Being out west with UW, the media would dote on Petrino winning again and making a splash. Western Kentucky is never going to make a splash - like what could happen here in Wyoming.

Then again, the trickle down may be too much for UW. Higher enrollment, higher applications for admissions, athletic revenue increase, etc., etc. UW may not want that - as apparent with the direction of the current regime.