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Mediocrity

seattlecowboy said:
COS Cowboy said:
DocHolliday said:
Okay, well consider this.

If, and that's an enormous IF, we win the last two games and head to a bowl game, then Dave Christensen returns next season.

I for one, do not want that.

However, to even mention Wyoming and a 'bowl' scenario in the same sentence based upon what we have seen is beyond ludicrous.

The defense AND offense have significantly regressed throughout the season, the football program is in tatters with morale as low as it has ever been in the last 10 years, the school President was just canned/resigned, gloom and doom have descended upon Laramie...and someone continues to mention the word; 'bowl'?

Come back to the reality that planet earth should provide.

"Morale as low as it has ever been in the last 10 years" coming from the guy who has only been around 2 years. :roll: Ever consider that critics like you are contributing to the low morale?

Win, lose or draw makes no difference. The new interim president has said no more firings. DC will be here next year unless he resigns. We may as well make the best of it.


You must be naive if you believe that. I can guaranty you that DC will not be back next year. When the interim president said no more firings he was talking about the academic side of things. He wasn't speaking of anything athletically.

I hope you are right, but if there is anything to be taken away from the whole Sternburg fiasco, it's that the status quo is good enough, including athletics. I fear that if DC is fired he will be replaced with someone who will cost a lot less, and we WILL get what we pay for. See Shroyer, Heath.
 
BeaverPoke said:
Wyo can be competitive in hoops because you only need to recruit 12 players, 8 or so that can give you quality minutes, and 2-3 that are really good. It doesn't matter if they are all guards, or all bigs, or any combo of the 2.
Football, you need to recruit 60+, about 40 that can give you quality minutes, and 5-10 that are really good. But they can't be all the same position like in hoops.
You need 1-2 really good QBs. 1-3 really good RBs. And you need about 8 big, 6'3+, 300lbs+ people for the o-line, and similar numbers for the defense.
I guess what I am getting at is that there are more pieces to fit in the puzzle for a good football team.
Basketball, like I said, you can do with any combo of size and speed.
Fewer recruits means it's easier to get the team full.

Let's say Shyatt and DC both go and recruit 5 kids to Laramie that they think will be awesome and can rely on for the next 4 years. Well for Shyatt, that is a HUGE class. And for DC, that is a very small number of kids that are going to be good contributors.

It is just flat out easier to get a solid team built if there are fewer members of the team.
The 4 piece puzzle is a hell of a lot easier than the 100 piece puzzle.


Differnce being that Shyatt IS head coach material where as DC is way over his head. He couldn't coach a fart out of his own ass if he had a breeze blowing against it
 
Wyovanian said:
YankPoke said:
J-Rod said:
SnowyRange said:
You might not, but everyone else would be so happy with that, it wouldn't even be funny.
I bet there are lots of fans who would trade having a weak football program for an elite basketball program. It beats already having a weak football program and a mediocre basketball program. Right now the life of a Wyoming fan includes false hope at the beginning of the year ending with disappointment. I'm pretty sure everyone minus Wyokie would love the life of a Kansas fan.....bad football, followed by the craziness of basketball season.
Exactly my thoughts J-Rod
The willingness to compromise either program for a "better chance" at excellence in the other is manifest of the "good 'nuff" mentality pervading this school. If you're unwilling to accept nothing but excellence in both sports, please find another team to "back".
Well since as it is we would be pretty jacked to make the NIT and NM bowl (most of us for the bowl anyways...), so wouldn't it make sense to have the NIT as a down season sort of thing and our football...well still hoping for the NM bowl?
 
BeaverPoke said:
Are you talking about "kinda good in both" or elite in both? Because Tennessee is not elite. Stanford hoops? Not elite. UCLA hoops and football? Umm? They are "pretty good" in football, and not close to elite in hoops right now. Michigan is a good b-ball school, but they are a total joke in football. Easily the most overrated program of this century in football.
Arizona is competitive yes but they are only elite in basketball.
BYU, Nevada, SDSU, and Boise are not elite in both sports. Boise is elite in football, and it would be a stretch calling SDSU elite in hoops.

Doesn't Michigan have more football wins than anyone, or at least pretty darn close (maybe Notre Dame has more)?

But I'm with you Beav, I'd still like to see a victory against Hawaii just so the USU game might mean something. I still feel 6 wins won't guarantee us a bowl game, but could do. Having said that. I wouldn't bet on either game.
 
cowboyz said:
BeaverPoke said:
Are you talking about "kinda good in both" or elite in both? Because Tennessee is not elite. Stanford hoops? Not elite. UCLA hoops and football? Umm? They are "pretty good" in football, and not close to elite in hoops right now. Michigan is a good b-ball school, but they are a total joke in football. Easily the most overrated program of this century in football.
Arizona is competitive yes but they are only elite in basketball.
BYU, Nevada, SDSU, and Boise are not elite in both sports. Boise is elite in football, and it would be a stretch calling SDSU elite in hoops.

Doesn't Michigan have more football wins than anyone, or at least pretty darn close (maybe Notre Dame has more)?

But I'm with you Beav, I'd still like to see a victory against Hawaii just so the USU game might mean something. I still feel 6 wins won't guarantee us a bowl game, but could do. Having said that. I wouldn't bet on either game.

Yes Michigan is the most winning football program in NCAA history, but I was talking about more recently. Yes they went to a BCS Bowl a couple seasons ago, Hokes first season, but that was a very generous gift by the BCS. Michigan did not belong in that bowl.
They are lucky they beat UConn, and Akron this season. And their football program isn't anywhere near catching Ohio State or even Michigan State's anytime soon.
They are an elite football program in the way UCLA is an elite basketball program. History and tradition are carrying, recent results aren't.
 
COS Cowboy said:
seattlecowboy said:
COS Cowboy said:
DocHolliday said:
Okay, well consider this.

If, and that's an enormous IF, we win the last two games and head to a bowl game, then Dave Christensen returns next season.

I for one, do not want that.

However, to even mention Wyoming and a 'bowl' scenario in the same sentence based upon what we have seen is beyond ludicrous.

The defense AND offense have significantly regressed throughout the season, the football program is in tatters with morale as low as it has ever been in the last 10 years, the school President was just canned/resigned, gloom and doom have descended upon Laramie...and someone continues to mention the word; 'bowl'?

Come back to the reality that planet earth should provide.

"Morale as low as it has ever been in the last 10 years" coming from the guy who has only been around 2 years. :roll: Ever consider that critics like you are contributing to the low morale?

Win, lose or draw makes no difference. The new interim president has said no more firings. DC will be here next year unless he resigns. We may as well make the best of it.


You must be naive if you believe that. I can guaranty you that DC will not be back next year. When the interim president said no more firings he was talking about the academic side of things. He wasn't speaking of anything athletically.

I hope you are right, but if there is anything to be taken away from the whole Sternburg fiasco, it's that the status quo is good enough, including athletics. I fear that if DC is fired he will be replaced with someone who will cost a lot less, and we WILL get what we pay for. See Shroyer, Heath.

Well I agree with you here in that I think Burman will fire DC to calm the natives but will replace him with someone that they do not have to pay as much.
 
Wyoming has always come off as supporting basketball more than football consistently. We've got much better history there too.

If we were a consistent contender in basketball I bet we would average 10-11,000 every game.

We've had 15,000+ for Women's basketball games... That's hoops passion.
 
ProudWYOAlum said:
Wyoming has always come off as supporting basketball more than football consistently. We've got much better history there too.

If we were a consistent contender in basketball I bet we would average 10-11,000 every game.

We've had 15,000+ for Women's basketball games... That's hoops passion.

Not sure I'd agree with that. If football had an NIT and the championship was at War Memorial, it would be sold out too. We support a winner.
 
ProudWYOAlum said:
Wyoming has always come off as supporting basketball more than football consistently. We've got much better history there too.

If we were a consistent contender in basketball I bet we would average 10-11,000 every game.

We've had 15,000+ for Women's basketball games... That's hoops passion.
Its more doable in hoop thats for sure.
 
You can truly compete for national titles in basketball. Ask Butler, VCU, Gonzaga, SDSU, UNLV...

You get the right set of kids you can make a run. Wyoming has a terrific arena, elevation, and fan support.

Football is fantastic, I too agree there should be more of an emphasis on basketball. Give Shyatt what he needs like we did Dave!
 
ProudWYOAlum said:
You can truly compete for national titles in basketball. Ask Butler, VCU, Gonzaga, SDSU, UNLV...

You get the right set of kids you can make a run. Wyoming has a terrific arena, elevation, and fan support.

Football is fantastic, I too agree there should be more of an emphasis on basketball. Give Shyatt what he needs like we did Dave!

Agree!
With what they are doing to the AA, the recruiting classes that get better and better each season, and even more support from the AD, the hoops program could be elite. Like SDSU, NM, Gonzaga type elite.
Why not?
Then when Shyatt is done coaching in 10 years with a handful of MWC titles, and NCAA Tourney appearances, he can be the AD here in Laramie. ;)
And of course, Baby Shy can take over the basketball team.
 
ProudWYOAlum said:
You can truly compete for national titles in basketball. Ask Butler, VCU, Gonzaga, SDSU, UNLV...

You get the right set of kids you can make a run. Wyoming has a terrific arena, elevation, and fan support.

Football is fantastic, I too agree there should be more of an emphasis on basketball. Give Shyatt what he needs like we did Dave!
Absolutely, give Shtatt what he needs and then some.
 
ProudWYOAlum said:
You can truly compete for national titles in basketball. Ask Butler, VCU, Gonzaga, SDSU, UNLV...

You get the right set of kids you can make a run. Wyoming has a terrific arena, elevation, and fan support.

Football is fantastic, I too agree there should be more of an emphasis on basketball. Give Shyatt what he needs like we did Dave!

One problem....

Gonzaga nor VCU or Wichita State or Florida Gulf Coast have a football team at all! :roll:
 
I don't know if we can ever get to consistently play for titles until we can show football recruits that four years in Laramie wouldn't be miserable for them. We're recruiting players from urban settings, oftentimes southern (Texas), and Laramie is complete culture shock. The report went into detail about this, and it's true. I think in 25 or 40 years if Albany County is successful in growing to triple its current population, it might be possible to put together good FBS teams. What's the smallest town a consistently good FBS team plays in?
 
Wyokie said:
ProudWYOAlum said:
You can truly compete for national titles in basketball. Ask Butler, VCU, Gonzaga, SDSU, UNLV...

You get the right set of kids you can make a run. Wyoming has a terrific arena, elevation, and fan support.

Football is fantastic, I too agree there should be more of an emphasis on basketball. Give Shyatt what he needs like we did Dave!

One problem....

Gonzaga nor VCU or Wichita State or Florida Gulf Coast have a football team at all! :roll:

So what makes them any different from us?
 
BeaverPoke said:
Wyokie said:
ProudWYOAlum said:
You can truly compete for national titles in basketball. Ask Butler, VCU, Gonzaga, SDSU, UNLV...

You get the right set of kids you can make a run. Wyoming has a terrific arena, elevation, and fan support.

Football is fantastic, I too agree there should be more of an emphasis on basketball. Give Shyatt what he needs like we did Dave!

One problem....

Gonzaga nor VCU or Wichita State or Florida Gulf Coast have a football team at all! :roll:

So what makes them any different from us?

They don't pay for shitty football 'cos they don't have it. :roll:
 
COS Cowboy said:
DocHolliday said:
Okay, well consider this.

If, and that's an enormous IF, we win the last two games and head to a bowl game, then Dave Christensen returns next season.

I for one, do not want that.

However, to even mention Wyoming and a 'bowl' scenario in the same sentence based upon what we have seen is beyond ludicrous.

The defense AND offense have significantly regressed throughout the season, the football program is in tatters with morale as low as it has ever been in the last 10 years, the school President was just canned/resigned, gloom and doom have descended upon Laramie...and someone continues to mention the word; 'bowl'?

Come back to the reality that planet earth should provide.

"Morale as low as it has ever been in the last 10 years" coming from the guy who has only been around 2 years. :roll: Ever consider that critics like you are contributing to the low morale?

Win, lose or draw makes no difference. The new interim president has said no more firings. DC will be here next year unless he resigns. We may as well make the best of it.

Hey asshole?

I've been on this board for two years...I've been a fan far longer than that.

Your explanation of my critique of the football program, thus serving as an element for the low morale, justifies completely my reference of you with the name I chose for you.
 

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