Marty English new UNC head coach?

[MrTitleist]

And actually, I've been impolite.. do you have any opinions or thoughts on the subject of the Cowboy defense? Good, bad, indifferent?

 

[UW2007]

I disagree. But in the happy world of message boards, we're all entitled to our opinion. :thumb:

To make the accusations you make shows you lack of knowledge of the subject. There's no agree or disagree. It's a fact and you are too lazy to find out what is happening because it would require effort and you wouldn't be able to make your ignorant cheap shots.

I've been a season ticket holder for the past three seasons, been to every game, even make it down to the Border War when I get a chance. Earned a BA and a MS from ole UW, so I've been to quite a few Cowboy football games.

What MrTitleist is saying is true and it's not very hard to see, or believe, when you've got a patch work defense like the Pokes currently have. LBs playing DE, FBs playing DE, hell, we have LBs returning kicks...which shouldn't happen in DI. Outside of Pros, our secondary is below average, especially on the outside. We're not playing aggressive because we do not have the talent to play aggressive...either that, or the coaching staff does not think we can hold coverage for long enough to do anything special. The team is rebuilding and will be rebuilding for quite some time, on both sides of the ball, for a few seasons.

The thing I don't get, Poke Around, is where you're jumping on MrTitleist for making an "accusation" because he stated his point of view. Oh, he can't make it to EVERY game...fuck him for not living in Laramie. He said he watches the games online and I'm assuming that he's not talking about a sports ticker. Hell, even sports writers make these "accusations" and it's deemed as acceptable. Don't believe me? Check out the MTN analysis discussing anything about BYU football, or any reporter from back east who doesn't believe teams in the MWC can compete.

To me, you're the one making ignorant cheap shots at a guy who is stating his opinion. Obviously, knowledge must be based off of first hand experience or it is totally invalid, right?

 

[Poke Around]

I disagree. But in the happy world of message boards, we're all entitled to our opinion. :thumb:

To make the accusations you make shows you lack of knowledge of the subject. There's no agree or disagree. It's a fact and you are too lazy to find out what is happening because it would require effort and you wouldn't be able to make your ignorant cheap shots.

I've been a season ticket holder for the past three seasons, been to every game, even make it down to the Border War when I get a chance. Earned a BA and a MS from ole UW, so I've been to quite a few Cowboy football games.

What MrTitleist is saying is true and it's not very hard to see, or believe, when you've got a patch work defense like the Pokes currently have. LBs playing DE, FBs playing DE, hell, we have LBs returning kicks...which shouldn't happen in DI. Outside of Pros, our secondary is below average, especially on the outside. We're not playing aggressive because we do not have the talent to play aggressive...either that, or the coaching staff does not think we can hold coverage for long enough to do anything special. The team is rebuilding and will be rebuilding for quite some time, on both sides of the ball, for a few seasons.

The thing I don't get, Poke Around, is where you're jumping on MrTitleist for making an "accusation" because he stated his point of view. Oh, he can't make it to EVERY game...f##k him for not living in Laramie. He said he watches the games online and I'm assuming that he's not talking about a sports ticker. Hell, even sports writers make these "accusations" and it's deemed as acceptable. Don't believe me? Check out the MTN analysis discussing anything about BYU football, or any reporter from back east who doesn't believe teams in the MWC can compete.

To me, you're the one making ignorant cheap shots at a guy who is stating his opinion. Obviously, knowledge must be based off of first hand experience or it is totally invalid, right?

UW 2007 I don't agree with you in regards to Mr. Titleist statements degrading Marty English. That shows he doesn't know what he is talking about.
I don't care if he is on the MTN, a sports writer back east or a sports writer out west or a fan who is following games on line. I think it's a ignorant cheap shot to be bashing an inidividual without knowing the situation.
Hell, if you even read the Cheyenne paper blog the other day you would have seen the head coach said that on the three pass plays we got burned on 10 players did thier job and one didn't, including a linebacker who didn't blitz, and a linebacker who was supposed to drop back and instead moved up toward the line.
Aside from that when you go from a 3-4 to a 4-3 you change what you want in terms of your linemen and you don't just add water and grow new ones.
By the way why did we go from a 3-4 to a 4-3?
Why don't we blitz?
Those are two answers that Mr. Titleist doesn't seem to know but it doesn't keep him from blasting a guy and sullying his reputation. And that is an ignorant cheap shot.

 

[MrTitleist]

Poke Around: The switch to the 3-4 is an easy answer, we don't have an NT. We have one transfer who's over 300, otherwise, we have no one to fill that position. We're still grossly undersized on the defensive line, 3-4 or 4-3. Fact is, we're 114th in sacks and 114th in tackles for loss. We're not pushing offensive lines backwards and getting into the backfield. Undersized? Yes. I don't think many disagree with the switch to a 4-3, I know I don't. Last year in a 3-4 we were 74th and 78th in sacks/TFLs.. we lost some great D players from that squad. Is it fair to blame Marty for the struggles? Probably not, but he's still the coordinator. You mention reading the blog and seeing we had some missed assignments leading to scores and/or big plays. Do we heap the blame for that on the players or the coaches? I'd say maybe a little of both. We have some great defensive players this year.. I really like Muhammad at the LB position, Pro is still tackling. Corner blitzes would be nice, but pose a risk putting some of our secondary into man coverage with no help.

I think you took a fair amount of sarcasm in my original post personally, which is fine, but to call me ignorant of the facts is .. well, not entirely accurate. As I noted above, I have nothing against Marty, I was excited for him to be hired as DC, and there's probably still hope for this defense to be better next year.. but right now statistics just aren't in our favor.

 

[laxwyo]

I think Marty is still learning. I'm not sure if he can hack it as a DC. He coached some pretty damn good LB's in his day, but I'm not sure if he knows how to confuse an offense. Or maybe, it's the 4-3 since he coached LB's during a 3-4 scheme. I would think that having DE's that were former LB's would be beneficial and could open up a variety of Zone blitzes. We are undersized all along the line, even for a 4-3. Also, we can't run the 3-4 because we lack a NT that can take up two blockers. I believe there is a lot of factors coming together leading to our ineptness.

 

[WYCowboy]

I'm watching Marty's teacher this year live in action.. his defense is ferocious and doesn't screw around. They're forcing turnovers like crazy. I'm watching Wyoming's defense from afar online when I get the opportunity and I can tell that the personnel in place isn't capable of getting the job done. In my opinion they don't have the killer instinct of a Breske defense. The game against San Diego State could have been won had we pressured a hobbled QB, but instead, we dropped into coverage anticipating them to throw it long. It was easy to pick a part the D at that point when the QB had all day to throw. The only time the Poke D really went for the throat is when they had Lindley backed up against the endzone and the D brought the wood and hit him hard. That should have been the mantra for the rest of the game. We don't have the horses on the d-line to consistently rush a four man front, but that's exactly what we're doing. Marty is/was a fantastic LB coach, but I have concerns about his ability as a coordinator. I had really anticipated him to step in Breske's shoes and the D wouldn't miss a beat, but that hasn't been the case.

You are watching from afar, in other words you have no idea about what is going. Spend a little time getting information before you start blasting someone.

You are a good one to talk, you have been bashing Schroyer since the day he got here.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

hell, we have LBs returning kicks...which shouldn't happen in DI.

Here's my question: Why not? Why can a CB, WR, or HB return the ball, but not a reasonably fast LB with good vision?
Against BYU, Muhammad had 3 returns for 88 yards.
Against Utah, he had 1 for 29
Against TCU, he had 3 for 54
Against Toledo, he had 1 for 17
Against AFA, he had 2 for 68 (43 + 25)
Against Boise, he had 3 for 65
Against Texas, he had 2 for 51
Against SUU, he had 4 for 90


Now how is this bad? I could see it being bad if he fumbled the ball or had atrocious returns every once in a while, but he's about as steady as they come. Sure he doesn't have the wheels of Devin Moore, but he breaks tackles that none of our other potential returners would. If we could only learn to set him up in situations where one broken tackle means 50+ yard returns, we'd be golden. Remember that he's only a Sophomore as well!

 

[UW2007]

hell, we have LBs returning kicks...which shouldn't happen in DI.

Here's my question: Why not? Why can a CB, WR, or HB return the ball, but not a reasonably fast LB with good vision?
Against BYU, Muhammad had 3 returns for 88 yards.
Against Utah, he had 1 for 29
Against TCU, he had 3 for 54
Against Toledo, he had 1 for 17
Against AFA, he had 2 for 68 (43 + 25)
Against Boise, he had 3 for 65
Against Texas, he had 2 for 51
Against SUU, he had 4 for 90


Now how is this bad? I could see it being bad if he fumbled the ball or had atrocious returns every once in a while, but he's about as steady as they come. Sure he doesn't have the wheels of Devin Moore, but he breaks tackles that none of our other potential returners would. If we could only learn to set him up in situations where one broken tackle means 50+ yard returns, we'd be golden. Remember that he's only a Sophomore as well!

Muhammad is doing a solid job returning kicks. Normally, your KR/PR are guys who are fast, with great vision, and really good burst. You don't normally see that with a LB compared to a CB/WR/RB. It's not a shot at him...it just shows that we currently have a lack of talent in a variety of positions. Normally you see LBs and other positions doing returns in HS or in lower divisions, not in DI. I'm not saying he can't do it, but must agree that it's a little odd to see a LB returning kicks.

Poke Around, I see what you're saying and I can understand where you're coming from. To me, the only thing Titleist did was state his opinion based off of what he's read/seen. His logic isn't wrong, it might be a little harsh, but it's not like he is saying something is black when it's obviously white.

Being a coach isn't easy, especially when your players are not getting it done on the field. Let's say it's true that 10 of the 11 players did their job, and the one guy who didn't do his job, really wasn't vital to the play. First thing you need to do is give credit to the offense for just beating the defense, second thing you have to look at is the defensive call. Was this the right defense for the play? You can argue in circles about that and it's pointless. What I'm saying is, just because the coach bails out his players and DC doesn't mean it's 100% true. The NFL is a great example of that, for years Andy Reid has been defending his players and talent when the evidence is telling a different story.

I remember reading/hearing that one of the main reasons the team switched to the 4-3 was due to DC's familiarity with the style. Overall, you're going to do a better job containing the LOS, and if you're concerned with coverage/containment then you really don't want to go with a 3-4. I'm not an insider by any means, but UW's defense can have an influence on how the offense goes. I don't think DC wants to get into 40+ point shootouts and I think he wants his defense to slow down the opposition, not totally shut them out. He knows we currently do not have the talent, and he knows that if he does get overly aggressive that our defense will get torched. By keeping it simple, basic, and covering all of your bases you're depending on technique and play calls to make up for pressure and, in my opinion, creativity.

I will say this, DC knows what he is doing by bringing in a lot of speed. Wyoming has to be one of the slowest teams in D1, especially on the defensive side of the ball.