It was an AF cameraman who shot the video

[OrediggerPoke]

The way I see it, there is a multitude of classless things with this situation:

1) Faking the injury
2) DC's tirade
3) the posting of the video
4) the posting of the videographer's PERSONAL information (that's just flat out dangerous)

Everyone involved has acted like a bunch of children. This is a GAME, remember.

Thanks you and agree 100%!

TheCup posting such information and trying to incite some sort of harassment toward the individual is pretty bad IMO.

And yes TheCup's quote of "I'm not saying you should call or email him. But the option is there..." does qualify as potentially inciting harassment.

 

[Fullback41]

BOOM! Extra fuel for the game next year. Publicly it will be downplayed but this game just got more interesting.

The problem is the guy shows only what he wants to...... he cuts out troy running to the endzone to confront our players and his smirking and whatever was said to DC right before the video starts... then he posts it under a false name with the intent to hurt DC, UW or both. No one condones how the message was relayed and DC shouldnt fall for it, but this is wormy.

Not cool, pretty cheesy move.

 

[OneMoreBeer]

Does anyone know with absolute certainty that it was this AF video dude that posted this on YouTube? It's known that the UW athletic office and the MWC offices had seen the video before it hit the internet. It seems there could be a number of folks not on the AF athletic department payroll who could've been the dude/dudette who posted this.

Do not take this as any kind of defense against AF. I bleed brown and gold. It's just that I have not seen anything said or written anywhere which provides definitive proof that the AF cameraman is the responsible posting party.

 

[fromolwyoming]

Does anyone know with absolute certainty that it was this AF video dude that posted this on YouTube? It's known that the UW athletic office and the MWC offices had seen the video before it hit the internet. It seems there could be a number of folks not on the AF athletic department payroll who could've been the dude/dudette who posted this.

Do not take this as any kind of defense against AF. I bleed brown and gold. It's just that I have not seen anything said or written anywhere which provides definitive proof that the AF cameraman is the responsible posting party.

There was a clear picture of the guy recording it, and he is a member of the AFA. I'm not sure how many other people would have access to that camera (one used to record the video).

 

[OneMoreBeer]

Does anyone know with absolute certainty that it was this AF video dude that posted this on YouTube? It's known that the UW athletic office and the MWC offices had seen the video before it hit the internet. It seems there could be a number of folks not on the AF athletic department payroll who could've been the dude/dudette who posted this.

Do not take this as any kind of defense against AF. I bleed brown and gold. It's just that I have not seen anything said or written anywhere which provides definitive proof that the AF cameraman is the responsible posting party.

There was a clear picture of the guy recording it, and he is a member of the AFA. I'm not sure how many other people would have access to that camera (one used to record the video).

I've seen the picture of the cameraman and understand his affiliation with the AF athletic department. Just because he was the one doing the filming doesn't mean he was the one to upload it to YouTube.

 

[WyoAlum1987]

Wyovanian, I dont know which AD you think you are talking about in your previous posts... because it is clear to even the most disinterested observer that the "executive decision making" by Burman in this situation has compounded the damage UW is taking on this issue.

The timing of his announcement was atrocious, and the complete lack of communication about the decision making process has the entire country asking; "WTF?" :?

If Burman delayed because he was worried about the effect his decision would have on the next game- he is even more short sighted than I feared. Worried about the outcome of the next game when the reputation of the program and the University is at stake?? :willybs:

Your defense of Burman is specious and a little embarrassing

I dont see how DC or Burman get out of this one. Nor should they. A LOT of damage has been done to UW athletics, and it is far from over....MIllions of dollars of investment, the trust and good will of the fan base and years of competitive recruiting stand at real risk...The first thing the new University President needs to do is get this mess under control. :tickedoff:

 

[WyoAlum1987]

Wyovanian, I dont know which AD you think you are talking about in your previous posts... because it is clear to even the most disinterested observer that the "executive decision making" by Burman in this situation has compounded the damage UW is taking on this issue.

The timing of his announcement was atrocious, and the complete lack of communication about the decision making process has the entire country asking; "WTF?" :?

If Burman delayed because he was worried about the effect his decision would have on the next game- he is even more short sighted than I feared. Worried about the outcome of the next game when the reputation of the program and the University is at stake?? :willybs:

Your defense of Burman is specious and a little embarrassing

I dont see how DC or Burman get out of this one. Nor should they. A LOT of damage has been done to UW athletics, and it is far from over....MIllions of dollars of investment, the trust and good will of the fan base and years of competitive recruiting stand at real risk...The first thing the new University President needs to do is get this mess under control. :tickedoff:

 

[Bryoming]

Your defense of Burman is specious and a little embarrassing

And your bagging on him in 95% of your posts is getting old. We get it. You don't like the guy. Now :stfu:

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

The way I see it, there is a multitude of classless things with this situation:

4) the posting of the videographer's PERSONAL information (that's just flat out dangerous)

Everyone involved has acted like a bunch of children. This is a GAME, remember.

Dangerous? Really? Somehow I don't think we have any Auburn-style tree poisoners in our midst.

Christensen should have never melted down to begin with. No question about it and no one is saying otherwise. But it is equally true that the posting of that video essentially cost Christensen $50,000, did significant harm to the reputation of the Wyoming football program and will negatively impact our recruiting going forward.

So, please, save me the wailing about it being "dangerous." People who care about Wyoming athletics should know how, why and by whom that video was posted online under a dummy youtube account.

Yup. If someone from the board decided to harass and/or threaten someone for posting a video of an incident that happened in PUBLIC, I would consider it a dangerous situation.

Not necessarily dangerous in a violent sense of the word, but nothing good would come from it. Legal implications, further damage to Wyoming's reputation, etc. I can see the headlines now: "Wyoming fans verbally attack camera man of Dave Christensen's tirade with a tirade of their own"

The posting of the video didn't harm the football program and cost DC 50k, he did that himself. That's like a criminal saying the security camera got him in jail, and not the crime he committed. Cowards way out to blame someone else for your own mistakes.

 

[Wyovanian]

Wyovanian, I dont know which AD you think you are talking about in your previous posts... because it is clear to even the most disinterested observer that the "executive decision making" by Burman in this situation has compounded the damage UW is taking on this issue.

The timing of his announcement was atrocious, and the complete lack of communication about the decision making process has the entire country asking; "WTF?" :?

If Burman delayed because he was worried about the effect his decision would have on the next game- he is even more short sighted than I feared. Worried about the outcome of the next game when the reputation of the program and the University is at stake?? :willybs:

Your defense of Burman is specious and a little embarrassing

I dont see how DC or Burman get out of this one. Nor should they. A LOT of damage has been done to UW athletics, and it is far from over....MIllions of dollars of investment, the trust and good will of the fan base and years of competitive recruiting stand at real risk...The first thing the new University President needs to do is get this mess under control. :tickedoff:

I think you should look up words before using them.

When would the time have been right to announce the suspension and fine?

 

[TheCup]

Just because he was the one doing the filming doesn't mean he was the one to upload it to YouTube.

You're right in the literal sense. But pulling video off of a camera like that is not as simple as pulling it off your phone or a point-and-shoot, and rendering it into a format for YouTube is another process entirely. Beyond that, Air Force owned that footage. The guy who shot it either gave it to someone else to dump online or he did it himself. Those are the only two options. Either way it's shitty.

Things that would have been completely in-bounds for the Air Force video staff to do:

- Send it to the bosses at AFA
- Send it to the league office
- Send it to UW with a note saying something like, "Seriously?"

Things they did that make them dicks:

- Upload the video to YouTube through a dummy account with an incendiary headline referring to "Military Appreciation Night."

 

[WyoAlum1987]

I'm probably almost as tired of writing about it as you are of hearing about it.
I dont dislike him at all. In fact, I think Burman did at least one thing very well (see cowboy wrestling)...
But everywhere you look, things are coming unravelled at UW-and I care deeply about that.
and it is all too easy to address the symptoms of the issue without identifying the cause.

We need a new vision, strong goals that are well understood and broadly supported by stakeholders and fans, and a strategic approach to get there.

We are a unique place with a proud tradition...we need to start acting like it... and hire talent that believe that and want to GetR Done
So yeah, I'll keep adding my 2c-but not out of some personal vendetta- but because I'll bleed Brown n Gold till I die..and I want to see a return to excellence

Wyovanian-dont get all supercillious and fact checker on me...your argument supporting Burman is specious. (Superficially plausible, but actually wrong: "a specious argument").and the right time to fine and suspend the coach would have been the next damn day- Cowboy up partner, you are acting like a fact checking presidential debate monitor

 

[Wyovanian]

I'm probably almost as tired of writing about it as you are of hearing about it.
I dont dislike him at all. In fact, I think Burman did at least one thing very well (see cowboy wrestling)...
But everywhere you look, things are coming unravelled at UW-and I care deeply about that.
and it is all too easy to address the symptoms of the issue without identifying the cause.

We need a new vision, strong goals that are well understood and broadly supported by stakeholders and fans, and a strategic approach to get there.

We are a unique place with a proud tradition...we need to start acting like it... and hire talent that believe that and want to GetR Done
So yeah, I'll keep adding my 2c-but not out of some personal vendetta- but because I'll bleed Brown n Gold till I die..and I want to see a return to excellence

Wyovanian-dont get all supercillious and fact checker on me...your argument supporting Burman is specious. (Superficially plausible, but actually wrong: "a specious argument").and the right time to fine and suspend the coach would have been the next damn day- Cowboy up partner, you are acting like a fact checking presidential debate monitor

The next damn day, without all the facts, without having seen the full incident, without checking the contract language?

Brilliant.

The whole thing isn't just plausible, but highly possible (ergo, not at all "specious"), especially when one considers a measured, informed response is better than an off-the-cuff response that could result in us being stuck with Christensen or at least on the hook for the remainder of his contract. This isn't managing a ten man company, a restaurant, or even a construction project. The moving parts in this enterprise are manifold, and one wrong move could put you on an uncorrectable trajectory far off course from the goal. It's like flying an airliner as opposed to driving a car. Jerk the car into a skid and you can recover and adjust your course. Jerk the aircraft into a flat spin and cancel Christmas. If you get lucky and recover, 500 miles downrange you'll be 1000 miles off course.

 

[OneMoreBeer]

The next damn day, without all the facts, without having seen the full incident, without checking the contract language?

Brilliant.

The whole thing isn't just plausible, but highly possible (ergo, not at all "specious"), especially when one considers a measured, informed response is better than an off-the-cuff response that could result in us being stuck with Christensen or at least on the hook for the remainder of his contract. This isn't managing a ten man company, a restaurant, or even a construction project. The moving parts in this enterprise are manifold, and one wrong move could put you on an uncorrectable trajectory far off course from the goal. It's like flying an airliner as opposed to driving a car. Jerk the car into a skid and you can recover and adjust your course. Jerk the aircraft into a flat spin and cancel Christmas. If you get lucky and recover, 500 miles downrange you'll be 1000 miles off course.

I'd be willing to wager the language contained in paragraph 8.C.(1). of Mr. Christensen's employment contract is garnering significant attention in the AD's office these days.

 

[Wyovanian]

The next damn day, without all the facts, without having seen the full incident, without checking the contract language?

Brilliant.

The whole thing isn't just plausible, but highly possible (ergo, not at all "specious"), especially when one considers a measured, informed response is better than an off-the-cuff response that could result in us being stuck with Christensen or at least on the hook for the remainder of his contract. This isn't managing a ten man company, a restaurant, or even a construction project. The moving parts in this enterprise are manifold, and one wrong move could put you on an uncorrectable trajectory far off course from the goal. It's like flying an airliner as opposed to driving a car. Jerk the car into a skid and you can recover and adjust your course. Jerk the aircraft into a flat spin and cancel Christmas. If you get lucky and recover, 500 miles downrange you'll be 1000 miles off course.

I'd be willing to wager the language contained in paragraph 8.C.(1). of Mr. Christensen's employment contract is garnering significant attention in the AD's office these days.

Make no mistake, it got attention Saturday night. The suspension is likely part of a process. It's almost unheard of at this level for a head coach to be summarily fired. I also would like to say that, no matter what, I'd like nothing more than to see us win Saturday, Christensen to run the table (because that's what I think it'll take to keep his job, even if he transforms into a even giddier version of Joe Glenn) and this thing to blow over, but the executive in me says prepare for the worst and keep checking the horizon.

 

[OneMoreBeer]

Perhaps Christensen should invest in some piano lessons during his week off.

 

[WyoAlum1987]

"The moving parts in this enterprise are manifold, and one wrong move could put you on an uncorrectable trajectory far off course from the goal. It's like flying an airliner as opposed to driving a car. Jerk the car into a skid and you can recover and adjust your course. Jerk the aircraft into a flat spin and cancel Christmas. If you get lucky and recover, 500 miles downrange you'll be 1000 miles off course."


Pretty apt metaphor....Burman was asleep at the switch,and we are 1000 miles off course. I appreciate your Executive 101 narrative..and I'd like to expand on it. Just because most decisions are more effective given time to develop doesn't mean they all are. There are times when indecision exacerbates a situation. These are times when preparation, experience, courage and a strong sense of direction are brought to bear. I think Burman was caught waiting for a storm to blow over instead of guiding the ship through the storm.

If you can't see the benefit of suspending Christensen indefinitely within a day or two of this outburst, communicating the rationale for the decision clearly, and taking steps to insure that"conduct unbecoming to the University" was included in that missive-I wont explain it to you. But the University would be in a far better position if Burman had acted decisively than it is now.

Look, Christensen has to go. We all know it, its as plain as the nose on his face. He cant recover.

But Burman is lacking the courage of conviction to make the call, so on we go. This year, and at next year lost. What Burman has on his hands now is a cancer of his own making. We all get to live with the Soap Opera that will ensue. It will continue to damage the interests of the institution that pays Burman to act when action is necessary.

 

[laxwyo]

I believe that Team America explained this whole situation best. In this world, there are Pussies, Assholes and Dicks. Pussies hate Dicks because Dicks are always trying to fuck them, but Dicks also fuck assholes! If they didn't, you'd get shit all over your pussy!