Is it really a better system?

[Slow Hand]

Draw your own conclusions if you want and feel free to add other variables but as of right now I would say that we are worse than we were last year. I hope it gets better because it damn sure isn't as fun to watch as an uptempo game. And for all of you old timers out there Defense doesn't win championships scoring points is what wins!

Seems to work alright for Alabama, their offense is never anything spectacular or flashy, but their defenses are ridiculously good.

you can't be serious....do you really think we can recruit the same level of athletes as Alabama? See her e is part of the problem most people have no idea about who we can recruit. There is no way you will ever get the same level of athleticism in Wyoming as you do in Alabama. The spread equalizes talent by position. You can get a few select athletes in space to make plays.

My post had nothing to do about Wyoming or our recruiting. You said that defense doesn't win championships and I told you that Alabama would probably disagree with that statement.

I was being a smart ass....Most all points are scored when you are on OFFENSE. A few on defense like a pick six or a scoop and score but if you score you are on offense. ;-)

 

[Slow Hand]

Remember what Tom Burman said (after firing Joe Glenn & hiring Dickface):

"offense sells tickets"

I would agree with that statement.

 

[Slow Hand]

Nothing better than watching a shootout. That is why I love Oregon, Baylor, and Texas Tech back when Leech was there.

 

[Slow Hand]

If you want to watch a low scoring affair you could always go to a soccer match. LOL

 

[LanderPoke]

Shoulda, woulda, coulda.... Maybe our personal was better suited for the spread before we hired Bohl, but now it's not. We've just got to stay the course now. I don't enjoy watching the spread, anyway. Feel like a gimmick.

 

[McPeachy]

Remember what Tom Burman said (after firing Joe Glenn & hiring Dickface):

"offense sells tickets"

I would agree with that statement.

As would I...and this may be the first thread in 5 years where I have stated I agree with anything Tom Burman had a hand in. Well, except maybe hiring the current wrastlin' coach - which was like shooting fish in a barrel (but I digress).

 

[Slow Hand]

Shoulda, woulda, coulda.... Maybe our personal was better suited for the spread before we hired Bohl, but now it's not. We've just got to stay the course now. I don't enjoy watching the spread, anyway. Feel like a gimmick.

You must be an older fella! LOL ;-) ;-) ;-)

 

[LanderPoke]

Shoulda, woulda, coulda.... Maybe our personal was better suited for the spread before we hired Bohl, but now it's not. We've just got to stay the course now. I don't enjoy watching the spread, anyway. Feel like a gimmick.

You must be an older fella! LOL ;-) ;-) ;-)

Ha ha, no Just a little bit old school, I guess.

 

[Slow Hand]

I would say that it must have a certain merit to it or the traditional Pro Style colleges wouldn't be implementing the Zone read into their scheme.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Nothing better than watching a shootout. That is why I love Oregon, Baylor, and Texas Tech back when Leech was there.

How often did we really have a shootout though?

A spread offense is good when you have the players to run it. Many times though, we were simply outclassed by teams that were able to shut down the offense and then score all over the defense.

11 times under Christensen, the Cowboys gave up 40+ points while scoring under 20 themselves. That's not a shootout, that's an embarrassment. And that's essentially what you're criticizing Bohl for.

 

[laxwyo]

I wonder how many games a "good" or "great" QB wins us this year. Remember we have a QB that was absolutely buried on the depth chart. Kudos for Colby for winning some games. Even with the current team, we'd probably a few more games with a good qb

 

[Slow Hand]

I wonder how many games a "good" or "great" QB wins us this year. Remember we have a QB that was absolutely buried on the depth chart. Kudos for Colby for winning some games. Even with the current team, we'd probably a few more games with a good qb

I agree Colby's effort was valiant! Next year we will have a freakin stud at that position. So we will see what happens plus our running Back Stable will be full again.

 

[Slow Hand]

Nothing better than watching a shootout. That is why I love Oregon, Baylor, and Texas Tech back when Leech was there.

How often did we really have a shootout though?

A spread offense is good when you have the players to run it. Many times though, we were simply outclassed by teams that were able to shut down the offense and then score all over the defense.

11 times under Christensen, the Cowboys gave up 40+ points while scoring under 20 themselves. That's not a shootout, that's an embarrassment. And that's essentially what you're criticizing Bohl for.

Here is where my argument comes in. I say we stay with the points and recruit to get better on defense. Why throw them both away then you have to get considerably better on both sides of the ball.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Also I think the original poster didn't do his homework on Bohl, because when Bohl ran his system at NDSU he ran both a pro style and spread system, and scored more than enough points to win. His sytem averaged like 42 points last year.

This is only partially true. Bohl might have spread his sets but he still ran a west coast offense. The difference is that he relied on man to man match ups to take advantage of defenders rather than forcing the defenders to play a zone scheme. He just waited until they loaded the box on him then they would attack the zero coverage on the perimeter. So your statement is not true.

Bohl spread it out last year almost equally until they got a 2 or 3 TD lead. And then came the "ground and pound" you are referring to. And they still scored hella points. So your not very knowledgable on what exactly Bohl's offense is. He isn't going to "ground and pound" all game if he has the players. If the coach before Bohl actually recruited a QB other than the starter you wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Why did you completely ignore the fact that Bohl doesn't even have his type of players on offense yet you think it's a good idea to get an accurate comparable?

"spreading it out" and running a Spread Offense are two different animals. You are showing your ignorance of offensive styles.

What has been painfully obvious, and mentioned throughout the year, and yet you have missed completely is the fact tha we would be NO better off with the spread this year... Why? Because of our QB situation. This last game showed it was quite obvious that Kirk was our new number one, and he definitely wasn't a spread QB. You can say playing time had something to do with it, but Thorton and Stratton both get reps in and don't just sit on their hands at practice all season.

Last year our toughest opponent was??? Nebraska. We lost 34-37. They were in the bottom half of the top 20. This year? Oregon #3 (at the time we played them) and Mich. St. #8, and CSU #25. Not to mention a 8-2 BSU team and a 7-3 USU team, and we beat a 7-3 AFA team. I would say our competition is far more superior this year than to last. Shoot, I guess you could even throw Hawaii in there! Going from 1-12 to currently 4-8.
Now you want to talk point totals. Our O is in transition. Our D is also in transition and has to play some high powered offenses. The difference in our point difference are three games. #3 Oregon, #8 Mich St. And, BSU. All our other games, including USU and CSU were right there in range of a turnaround.
You want to freak out about a year that you yourself said wasn't really significant... Not making much sense.

 

[Slow Hand]

Not Freaking out by any stretch of the imagination. All I am doing is making a case for why I believe the Spread is a better fit for a mid level talent like Wyoming. It allows you to get the few high caliber athletes you may have in space and helps them make plays. I understand that we are in transition and I realize that we are not going to change that. I am just trying to offer up an opposing side of the coin. Like I said before I like Bohl , I think he will get to be a middle of the pack guy I just think he will struggle against teams that score lots of points unless he can get a high caliber defense in place. And the chances of that happening in Wyoming is not good. So you can beat me up all you want about my opinion I just think we would win more games in an open offense and concentrate of recruiting better defenders. I like the ol adage "good offense makes up for mediocre defense but good defense cannot overcome a bad offense"

 

[Wyo2dal]

The spread plays against playing at altitude and hurts your own team more than the opponent. ToP grinding on that defensive line until they are just completely spent is what we want not scoring in 30 seconds and letting them continually be fresh.

 

[mwc fan]

It doesn't matter what offense or defense we run. The attitude for Wyoming football has to change. The players ( not all but a lot ) have a loser mentality. I've witnessed players quiting on and off the field, but with everyone hurt there is nobody to replace them. So they just don't give a shit. The same thing was noted when the University hired a 3rd party company to figure out why we aren't more competitive. It's that "good enough " mentality and it's spreads like cancer. Once the winning stops certain players tank it in games. It's extremely frustrating because this team could of went to a bowl game.

 

[WyoBrandX]

TOP doesn't matter much. Its an overrated stat until your offense can't score. Then TOP becomes a defensive stat. If you aren't scoring you sure better move the ball a bit to give the ol defense a rest so hopefully they can get the ball back as quickly as possible and you can start scoring again.

This killed Christensen the last few years. We would go 3 and out in a blink of an eye and other teams would wear out defense down and score.

Wyoming will be good when we field both a good offense and a good defense at the same time. I like the new system. There is so much that can be done when you can run and throw the football and control the tempo of the game. Hell, if you can score at will and your defense can get the other team off the field, there is no reason to not toss the ball around and go up tempo.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Not Freaking out by any stretch of the imagination. All I am doing is making a case for why I believe the Spread is a better fit for a mid level talent like Wyoming. It allows you to get the few high caliber athletes you may have in space and helps them make plays. I understand that we are in transition and I realize that we are not going to change that. I am just trying to offer up an opposing side of the coin.

You mean like Herron busting out big catches for big gains last year? If that's the case what about the opposite, in the pro style we watched Wick excel almost every game! Big plays for big gains. Probably just as many as Herron. Our WRs have shown that they can't do what we were doing last year as well. Blame a new offense, or new QB, or whatever, but theyve had their opportunities this year and dropped passes and acted slow as can be. Rufran is a clear example. I like the kid, but if he caught a deep ball last year, he was taking it to the house. He's had opportunity after opportunity game after game, and he has yet to even get a td this year! Is that Bohl? The pro style offense? No. It's the fact that he severely underachieved. Claiborne and Gentry are in the same boat. The only receivers that I've seen progress is TE Hollister.

Again, we probably would've been worse off this year with a third string Spread QB, and WRs that were underachieving this year. Your spread probably would've produced worse results. You play to your strengths. What's ours? Runningback. So it would stand to reason that we need to run the ball.

 

[wyoforever]

Bohl's system is not as pedestrian as it looks this year. Last year Brock Jensen rushed for 576 yards and had 10 rushing TD's. His runs would come off of spread look with read option. Also he passed for 2793 yards and had 34 passing TD's. The problem this year is not Bohl's system but the players. Colby was no threat to run and this limited the play calling. Offensive line had issues with protection and run blocking at times. Colby had a decent year but at critical times he was unable to extend the play due to lack of mobility. Next year I would expect a more open playbook with better athletes at QB (i.e. Coffman, Fort, Smith).