2006, always rank near the top in their division for attendance. At least they contend for conference titles field competitive teams... more than some other school I can think of that hasn't ever won a conference title. So... yeah..... I'd say quality.MrTitleist said:
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Is anyone really surprised at this point?
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msuhunter said:
Wyoming won conference titles in the WAC once in the 90s, twice in the 80s, once in the 70s and three times in the 60s. Perhaps more important for this conversation, Wyoming has a 13-6 record against MSU. The last time MSU beat Wyoming was in 1933. In the last eight games, Wyoming has defeated MSU by a combined score of 243-58. There are certainly teams which can rightfully gloat their success in the face of the Cowboys, but the Bobcats are not amongst them.
MSU does not contend for conference titles or field competitive teams. That's why Montana has won the conference title for most of the last 15 years. Remind me, how many times has Montana State won their conference outright? Sweet dude, we've outright won our conference.. more recently than you. And more times! In a grown-ups conference even! You can talk some mad shit about the "quality", but tell me, when was the last time your team went winless in a season? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't that long ago. As far as ranking near the top in attendance.. nice work on that 13,000 avg last year! We averaged better than that when we weren't winning football games. Only time you can sell out your high school stadium is when Montana comes and fills your seats.
kansasCowboy
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Dude who the hell are you? get out of here. Seriously...Comparing MSU to WYO is like comparing the Denver Broncos to Western Kentucky. I have a really good feeling that if MSU played Texas and BSU in back to back weeks, we'd see two things. One: Texas and BSU score well over 6o for the game, And two: MSU can't move the ball at all scores no points and ends up with less than 100 yards for the game.
MSU hunter, allow me to put you in your place.
First, since when is going a consistent 6, 7 and 8 wins a season competing for a conference title? That's a sorry conference even in 1aa. A consistent 5 or 6 losses a year don't help your case as well. I'm sorry. Only 4 losses last year.
Here's something you probably didn't look at. Scores of big games...and little ones too.
09 7-4 Mich St. L 3-44... And what's this? You beat Dixie St by 3? 23-20? HMMM?
08 7-5 KSU L 10-69(not looking so hot here). Ohhh a close one Minn L 23-35 (isn't that the year they went 1-11?
07 6-5 Tex A&m L 7-38.
06 8-5 Chadron St. L 24-35. (but you could argue,"Well, at least we beat CU 19-10, And we could say we beat Utah 31-15)
05 7-4 Okl St. L 10-15 (So Close!) We beat Ole Miss that year in Miss 24-14.
04 6-5 CSU L14-39. We beat Ole Miss 37-32 and UCLA 24-21 that year.
03 7-6 (Are you sure we want this????.....OHHHH You lost to a 4-8 Wyoming team 21-10. Gotta love it! Don't ya?
02 7-6 WSU L28-45 (Played'em tough but then turn right around and LOSE to CENTRAL WASHINGTON 16-31!!!
Those numbers look so ridiculously amazing! Don't they fellas?
Listen MSU hunter before you try to call an upper program poor and more poor than your own, maybe you should do your homework on your own damn team. Cause this is sad. And don't argue that you beat CU, because we've taken down too many giants in the last few years. Tenn, Virginia, Ole Miss (twice), UCLA, Utah, TCU. What does your team do? They choke against a lowly Wyoming team, they lose to Chadron st, Dixie St and Central Washington.
Boy after reading what I just wrote MSU hunter all I can do is :rofl: at you.
MSU hunter, allow me to put you in your place.
First, since when is going a consistent 6, 7 and 8 wins a season competing for a conference title? That's a sorry conference even in 1aa. A consistent 5 or 6 losses a year don't help your case as well. I'm sorry. Only 4 losses last year.
Here's something you probably didn't look at. Scores of big games...and little ones too.
09 7-4 Mich St. L 3-44... And what's this? You beat Dixie St by 3? 23-20? HMMM?
08 7-5 KSU L 10-69(not looking so hot here). Ohhh a close one Minn L 23-35 (isn't that the year they went 1-11?
07 6-5 Tex A&m L 7-38.
06 8-5 Chadron St. L 24-35. (but you could argue,"Well, at least we beat CU 19-10, And we could say we beat Utah 31-15)
05 7-4 Okl St. L 10-15 (So Close!) We beat Ole Miss that year in Miss 24-14.
04 6-5 CSU L14-39. We beat Ole Miss 37-32 and UCLA 24-21 that year.
03 7-6 (Are you sure we want this????.....OHHHH You lost to a 4-8 Wyoming team 21-10. Gotta love it! Don't ya?
02 7-6 WSU L28-45 (Played'em tough but then turn right around and LOSE to CENTRAL WASHINGTON 16-31!!!
Those numbers look so ridiculously amazing! Don't they fellas?
Listen MSU hunter before you try to call an upper program poor and more poor than your own, maybe you should do your homework on your own damn team. Cause this is sad. And don't argue that you beat CU, because we've taken down too many giants in the last few years. Tenn, Virginia, Ole Miss (twice), UCLA, Utah, TCU. What does your team do? They choke against a lowly Wyoming team, they lose to Chadron st, Dixie St and Central Washington.
Boy after reading what I just wrote MSU hunter all I can do is :rofl: at you.
You do realize we have 22 less scholarships right? We are suppose to lose to 1-A schools. You realize this right? You left out that we barely lost to Washington State 22-23 two weeks ago. Given the way Wyoming has played, I know they couldn't beat Wazzu. I was hoping to see better college football here, but have been severely disappointed (so far, I've seen So. Utah, a team MSU handled a year or so ago, almost beat UW and I saw a Boise St. passing clinic). I'd like to see improvement, but I doubt it will happen. I thought it was utter BS on the MWC board where they consider UW a joke in their own conference. Granted, I do believe UW is better than UNM, UNLV, and CSU, but after this week, not by much. I was impressed at whatever bowl UW played in last year (it doens't matter the name because no one really cares about it, only the national championship game matters in FBS), but I'm starting to understand their arguments. Yes, Wyoming does have a tough schedule, but that's no excuse for 56 -6 beatdown. Currently UW is a major part of the problem when it comes to the MWC gaining AQ status. Say what you will about Montana St., but at least we know where we belong. By the way, I'm completly new the UW community. Impressed with school, and wanting my athletics fees back.
kansasCowboy
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MSU hunter...Again, you're going to get worked.
You handled SUU alright. You beat them 7-3 in 07. WHOA! I guess you sure told us off there huh? Again, know the facts about your own team before you even make an argument.
Also, WSU is considered worse than UNM, CSU and UNLV at this point, so tell me, how would WYO not be able to handle WSU if we are better than CSU, UNLV, UNM? And if we are better than these three teams, why are you only predicting us to win two games this year?
And to finish this off, Wyoming has been low to middle of the pack in the MWC. But, We're not the team screwing the MWC. You see, UNLV losing on a consistent basis is screwing the AQ status, Those for years of only 2 wins was horrid. Since then, two 5-7 seasons. And this year looks worse again. They have had one winning season that I know of in the MWC and they went to a bowl and won it. One!
SDSU has not had a winning season since the MWC was formed. They went 6-6 one year and didn't receive a bowl. But No winning seasons and no bowls for the MWC, That 's bad for the MWC's AQ status.
New Mexico is a freaking embarrassment! They were in the WAC and they have mostly been throughout the MWC. Couldn't win against any top teams on their sched even when they were good and then got beat in all but one bowl. Should've kept them in the WAC.
And CSU. Yeah, they actually helped lead the conference through the first few years, but has just gradually continued to go down. Last years debacle didn't help the comference and this year doesn't look any better with no hope in site.
WYOMING. Again, we struggled the first 3 of 4 seasons, but managed to keep things tolerable and build from nothing. And unlike any of the above teams, Wyoming can actually beat quality programs. I stated earlier above in a previous post. Wyoming has also managed two bowls in this time frame and has won them both. So how is it that Wyoming is the program that has to take the trash for bad AQ Status?
You were right in one thing...Mont State is right where they need to be. Deep in the middle of the pack in the Big Sky conference in Div 1 aa football, playing in front of 3 to 5,000 fans a home game.
You handled SUU alright. You beat them 7-3 in 07. WHOA! I guess you sure told us off there huh? Again, know the facts about your own team before you even make an argument.
Also, WSU is considered worse than UNM, CSU and UNLV at this point, so tell me, how would WYO not be able to handle WSU if we are better than CSU, UNLV, UNM? And if we are better than these three teams, why are you only predicting us to win two games this year?
And to finish this off, Wyoming has been low to middle of the pack in the MWC. But, We're not the team screwing the MWC. You see, UNLV losing on a consistent basis is screwing the AQ status, Those for years of only 2 wins was horrid. Since then, two 5-7 seasons. And this year looks worse again. They have had one winning season that I know of in the MWC and they went to a bowl and won it. One!
SDSU has not had a winning season since the MWC was formed. They went 6-6 one year and didn't receive a bowl. But No winning seasons and no bowls for the MWC, That 's bad for the MWC's AQ status.
New Mexico is a freaking embarrassment! They were in the WAC and they have mostly been throughout the MWC. Couldn't win against any top teams on their sched even when they were good and then got beat in all but one bowl. Should've kept them in the WAC.
And CSU. Yeah, they actually helped lead the conference through the first few years, but has just gradually continued to go down. Last years debacle didn't help the comference and this year doesn't look any better with no hope in site.
WYOMING. Again, we struggled the first 3 of 4 seasons, but managed to keep things tolerable and build from nothing. And unlike any of the above teams, Wyoming can actually beat quality programs. I stated earlier above in a previous post. Wyoming has also managed two bowls in this time frame and has won them both. So how is it that Wyoming is the program that has to take the trash for bad AQ Status?
You were right in one thing...Mont State is right where they need to be. Deep in the middle of the pack in the Big Sky conference in Div 1 aa football, playing in front of 3 to 5,000 fans a home game.
Ya I don't know how you can accuse wyoming of hurting the AQ bid. Even if UNM goes 0-8 this year in conference and wins a couple of OOC games, they have helped the AQ process.
For example, even the 4-8 wyo team in 2008 took down Tenessee. That helps the AQ bid. Last year, MWC #5 Wyo beat WAC #3 in the New Mexico bowl showing that the middle of the MWC is stronger than the upper part of the WAC. If only #1 TCU had beaten #1 Boise.....
Wyoming has helped on the AQ bid. There are other teams in the conference that have hurt it.
For example, even the 4-8 wyo team in 2008 took down Tenessee. That helps the AQ bid. Last year, MWC #5 Wyo beat WAC #3 in the New Mexico bowl showing that the middle of the MWC is stronger than the upper part of the WAC. If only #1 TCU had beaten #1 Boise.....
Wyoming has helped on the AQ bid. There are other teams in the conference that have hurt it.
kansasCowboy
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I sorry...I was actually trying to piss you off with the attendance numbers. Looks like it worked. But, I don't see you disagreeing with anything else. And I wrote a lot! I must've been right. Sad to say MSU hunter that when MSU is having a decent season (We're talking 6 to 8 wins, they still lose badly for the most part to some of the worst FBS schools.) Simply put, if you had our schedule, you'd have one win (SUU). If we had your schedule, we'd be undefeated. I don't even think Montana or Northern Arizona could beat us.
So before you go off on our team, maybe you should figure out how well your team would match up week to week against quality opponents. Because if you think Texas and BSU beat us bad. They'd rape the Bobcats!
Well, maybe you'd win 2 or 3. You might beat UNLV or CSU this year. I really think UNM could put 50 on your Bobcat Ass. Granted The Mighty msu might score 45 and still lose to the worst defense in the country.
Have fun with this one...Try to find a loop hole like you've been trying to do, Because I'll be sure to be there to fill in the cracks and cover you up with embarrassment.
So before you go off on our team, maybe you should figure out how well your team would match up week to week against quality opponents. Because if you think Texas and BSU beat us bad. They'd rape the Bobcats!
Well, maybe you'd win 2 or 3. You might beat UNLV or CSU this year. I really think UNM could put 50 on your Bobcat Ass. Granted The Mighty msu might score 45 and still lose to the worst defense in the country.
Have fun with this one...Try to find a loop hole like you've been trying to do, Because I'll be sure to be there to fill in the cracks and cover you up with embarrassment.
kansasCowboy
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I had to reply to this as well. MSU hunter, you said, "We have 22 less scholarships, We are supposed to lose to Division 1 opponents." What an idiotic thing to say! this truly shows that you know nothing of football. Now if you want success, and you want to be called a success maybe you should be asking, "How does App St. go in and beat Michigan? How does James Madison beat VT? Or how does Jacksonville St. Beat Ole Miss? NDSU! How did they go and beat the KU Jayhawks in Lawrence?" But no apparently, you're supposed to lose these games and just make money off of them. HUH? You guys almost beat the second worst team in FBS in WSU? But couldn't pull it off. Were you supposed to lose that game? Weren't all these teams stated above supposed to lose theirs as well?
Come on MSU Hunter! i know you don't believe that! And if you do, I pity you.
That's like all of us Wyoming players and fans saying," Well, we have to play Tenn in Neyland Stadium. No way we'll win." But what happened? Victory! Or,"There's no way we'll beat UCLA in the Vegas bowl. their too talented and we don't belong." What happened? Victory! Or, "We have Virginia coming here to Laramie, but their better than they were last year." What Happened? Victory!
Get over yourself and find your place! Right there in the middle of the pack in the FCS Big Sky conference.
Come on MSU Hunter! i know you don't believe that! And if you do, I pity you.
That's like all of us Wyoming players and fans saying," Well, we have to play Tenn in Neyland Stadium. No way we'll win." But what happened? Victory! Or,"There's no way we'll beat UCLA in the Vegas bowl. their too talented and we don't belong." What happened? Victory! Or, "We have Virginia coming here to Laramie, but their better than they were last year." What Happened? Victory!
Get over yourself and find your place! Right there in the middle of the pack in the FCS Big Sky conference.
kansasCowboy
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I'm sorry, I just have one more thing for you MSU hunter. Are you supposed to be losing to the likes of Chadron St.? Dixie St? How about Central Washington? And you think your program is actually better than ours?
Wyoming is currently fielding 67 scholarships.. :twocents:
Not really true... but keep on it, dickhead. We all love hearing about your division 2 football team.
So you won a couple of fluke games? That's the exact problem I'm talking about. Look at how the seasons turned out... 5-7, 4-8, and the 7-5 (2004) year where you beat UCLA, you seem to have forgotten 31-0 smackdown against Texas A&M. But why stop on these years, lets look at more in this decade: 2002: 2-10, 2003: 4-8, 2005: 4-7, 2006: 6-6 (Hey you reached .500), 2007: 5-7, 2008: 4-8 (but that's okay right, because you beat Tennessee and you played the tough schedule of UNM, Bowling Green, and NDSU), 2009: 7-6 (the only talented team you beat was Fresno, and 9 times out of 10 you would have lost that).kansasCowboy said:
Overall record since 2002: 39-57 (Steller!!! No doubt the backbone of the MWC)
There's no way to say "if MSU played that schedule, they would've lost them all." You can't say that, they didn't play that schedule. And if you all feel the need to defend your program against "a lowly FCS school" you obviously have much deeper insecurities than meets the eye. Must be there is some shread of truth in my contentions...
