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Interesting Article About MWC Realignment
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gopokes1399
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doubt that happens anytime soon just because they are good at footba, memphis is great at bball but isnt going anywhere
gopokes1399 said:
I wouldn't be so sure about Memphis. Former Big East Commissioner Mike Tranghese is now a consultant to the Memphis -- hired for the sole purpose of getting them into the Big East.
And as for Fresno, we're a lot more than football. We've won the past two commissioner cups in the WAC. Our basketball team is finally off probation and almost to a full roster and we should win 20 games. In the past 10 years or so, both our softball team and baseball team have won national championships.
I had problems with that article. James seems to think that you have to pass the Big East in order to get an autobid. You don't. He also seems to think that you couldn't have two divisions without breaking up the Wyoming, CSU, AF, UU & BYU rivalries -- which isn't necessarily so.
They've changed the name of the article from when it was first uploaded as "MWC expansion a pipedream" to "Obstacles make MWC expansion tricky". I still think the writer muddles the discussion, however. It is not clear to me which expansion he's talking about -- expansion to 10? expansion to 12 to include Fresno State? expansion all the way to AQ status? It reads a little like you aren't getting AQ status no matter what -- even if you expand and so we probably aren't getting an invite -- but I'm not sure of that.
I've been told that the general feeling among the non-AQ conferences is that this is the last BCS contract and that the six AQs have decided that they can screw us much more efficiently by just going back to the old bowl system. We lose the shared $9 mil to $18 mil, we lose access to the top bowls and they don't have to worry about anti-trust issues. If that happens, would you even want Boise? I don't know.
Hey it's game day -- who cares about expansion?
Yoda out...
There are several good points in that article that would lead one to believe that expansion won't happen any time soon.
-The old WAC expanded to be the biggest conference in the country with 16 teams and that went over like a led balloon and dissolved within 4 years.
-If the MWC isn't good enough with 3 teams in the Top 25 are they going to be with 4?
-The rivalries are just too important to some of the schools, probably more important to Wyoming than anybody else.
-Not going to be much money for the conference in the way of a championship game- who would really pay big bucks to pick up that Championship Game?---Although if it came down to a #3 TCU and #6 Boise State championship game it could be a great matchup with the opportunity to play for a national championship awaiting the winner?
-There's really no guarantee that the MWC would then become an AQ conference with expansion.
-If they don't become AQ then they would be splitting any money they got between 12 schools instead of just 9 schools.
Not sure that expansion would be the best thing for the conference. It could possibly work with a North/South Division setup though.
North
Wyoming
Utah
BYU
CSU
AFA
Boise State
South
SDSU
UNLV
Nevada
New Mexico
Houston
TCU
That would still keep all of the big WAC rivalries intact at least.
-The old WAC expanded to be the biggest conference in the country with 16 teams and that went over like a led balloon and dissolved within 4 years.
-If the MWC isn't good enough with 3 teams in the Top 25 are they going to be with 4?
-The rivalries are just too important to some of the schools, probably more important to Wyoming than anybody else.
-Not going to be much money for the conference in the way of a championship game- who would really pay big bucks to pick up that Championship Game?---Although if it came down to a #3 TCU and #6 Boise State championship game it could be a great matchup with the opportunity to play for a national championship awaiting the winner?
-There's really no guarantee that the MWC would then become an AQ conference with expansion.
-If they don't become AQ then they would be splitting any money they got between 12 schools instead of just 9 schools.
Not sure that expansion would be the best thing for the conference. It could possibly work with a North/South Division setup though.
North
Wyoming
Utah
BYU
CSU
AFA
Boise State
South
SDSU
UNLV
Nevada
New Mexico
Houston
TCU
That would still keep all of the big WAC rivalries intact at least.
Dread_Pirate_Cowboy
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You only see these articles about MWC realignment/expansion from WAC towns. MWC won't be adding or changing anytime soon.
fromolwyoming
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With a maybe on BSU in the next few years, but that would probably be the only definite expansion, if any, anytime soon.Dread_Pirate_Cowboy said:
TobysBiznessCollege
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There's really only 2 current BCS conferences that would make sense/have any interest in adding TCU: The Big 12 and the SEC. As a Froggie, I don't know that I'd turn down an offer from these 2, but I just don't see it happening. I'd love to get the old Southwest Conference rivalries going again by playing Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, and Baylor every year, but TCU brings nothing to the Big 12... the conference already has recruiting and TV saturation in the Fort Worth area so there really is no plus to adding a team that might just upset the power balance. The SEC would be interesting, but they don't seem to acknowledge the existence of football West of Louisiana and Arkansas. They could get a bit of a bump in Texas recruiting by coming to Fort Worth, but let's face it, that whole conference is so arrogant they already think they can recruit any decent players from Texas.
To be honest, I don't see TCU going anywhere and that's just fine with me. I like the rivalries that we're building with the rest of the MWC and I'm kinda tired of being an NCAA Conference Gypsy (SWC, WAC, CUSA, MWC). Sure the distances for traveling purposes suck, but the destinations are pretty cool... San Diego, Colorado Springs, Laramie... these are all on the list of places I'd like to visit anyway. The Mountains are fabulous, the South... meh.
I'm all for building the MWC into a powerhouse that can't be ignored. Judging from what you guys are doing with that young QB of yours and a increasingly impressive defense, I think if we can add a strong team, split North and South and have a conference championship and regularly whip up on BCS teams, I think we can force our way into the party.
My only fear is that somehow the PAC-10 decide to actually convince Utah & BYU to join and then that's going to probably cause a collapse. I don't think it would happen, but then 20 years ago, I never would have guessed the SWC would disband.
To be honest, I don't see TCU going anywhere and that's just fine with me. I like the rivalries that we're building with the rest of the MWC and I'm kinda tired of being an NCAA Conference Gypsy (SWC, WAC, CUSA, MWC). Sure the distances for traveling purposes suck, but the destinations are pretty cool... San Diego, Colorado Springs, Laramie... these are all on the list of places I'd like to visit anyway. The Mountains are fabulous, the South... meh.
I'm all for building the MWC into a powerhouse that can't be ignored. Judging from what you guys are doing with that young QB of yours and a increasingly impressive defense, I think if we can add a strong team, split North and South and have a conference championship and regularly whip up on BCS teams, I think we can force our way into the party.
My only fear is that somehow the PAC-10 decide to actually convince Utah & BYU to join and then that's going to probably cause a collapse. I don't think it would happen, but then 20 years ago, I never would have guessed the SWC would disband.
TobysBiznessCollege
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gopokes1399 said:
Well, TCU does have a pretty good baseball program
Peanuts the Bulldog
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gbpoke said:
I don't think that would work. The North would be a stacked conference in football with the winner basically playing TCU most years. This reminds me of the way that the Big 12 is set up, all of the strength in the south. Another issue that I have with it is the travel distances of the south teams. Those teams are spread out from San Diego to Houston over 3 time zones.
Given the limitations that have been previously set forth, here's what I would do if I was in charge of the world:
East (Plains)
Wyoming
CSU
AFA
New Mexico
Houston
TCU
West (Mountain)
SDSU
UNLV
Nevada
Boise State
Utah
BYU
While this will upset some of you with the lack of playing BYU/Utah every year it makes much more sense geographically.
Dread_Pirate_Cowboy
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Check out this alignment:
MWC North-South
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
TCU
Utah
BYU
UNLV
San Diego State
MWC Junior (A.K.A. WAC)
....whomever....
The current group makes sense, has us in the BCS bowl every year, is strong in all sports, has higher standards than the Junior division teams.
ONLY way we see BSU in the MWC is if it is a condition of getting AQ status or if someone leaves the MWC. I don't see anybody leaving for the same reason we won't be adding anybody. There is no point in splitting up the revenues into any more pieces when the new teams don't add at least as much revenue. If BSU is in the MWC this year, they are not going to a BCS Bowl.
MWC North-South
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
TCU
Utah
BYU
UNLV
San Diego State
MWC Junior (A.K.A. WAC)
....whomever....
The current group makes sense, has us in the BCS bowl every year, is strong in all sports, has higher standards than the Junior division teams.
ONLY way we see BSU in the MWC is if it is a condition of getting AQ status or if someone leaves the MWC. I don't see anybody leaving for the same reason we won't be adding anybody. There is no point in splitting up the revenues into any more pieces when the new teams don't add at least as much revenue. If BSU is in the MWC this year, they are not going to a BCS Bowl.