If the rumors are true

[MrTitleist]

Okay.. again, I don't follow basketball closely, but if bigs are such a problem for Wyoming, how did the coaching staff let this guy slip away?
http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/andy_martin_800181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wyoming boy, tall, starting for a team who has made a few trips to the NCAAs the last few years..

A 7-foot, 220 lb kid who, in Wyoming, averaged just 9 points and 8 rebounds? How does that happen?

I think all 7-footers are worth looking into for sure, especially home grown ones...but those stats, or lack thereof, are alarming.

220 is about 50 pounds light for a 7-footer, too. Kid needs to hit the weight room.

He gets pushed around from time to time by guys like Weber's Tresnak, but he plays pretty decent defense.

 

[J-Rod]

I'm pretty sure the team has left little doubt in recent weeks that outside of Nance, anyone is replaceable. I look forward to seeing to Shyatt replaces these individuals with.

 

[FromOhioToWyoming]

A scholarship may also be opening up depending on what happens with Hankerson. I have heard that he probably will not be back next year due to the legal problems he has had now and in his past.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Okay.. again, I don't follow basketball closely, but if bigs are such a problem for Wyoming, how did the coaching staff let this guy slip away?
http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/andy_martin_800181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wyoming boy, tall, starting for a team who has made a few trips to the NCAAs the last few years..

A 7-foot, 220 lb kid who, in Wyoming, averaged just 9 points and 8 rebounds? How does that happen?

I think all 7-footers are worth looking into for sure, especially home grown ones...but those stats, or lack thereof, are alarming.

I was around Wyo 4A basketball for the last 3 years, and this kid was not 7'0" when he was at Natrona, because I would have remembered that. He was probably around 6'6''-6'8". Must have had a nice growth spurt after graduating.

 

[WYCowboy]

A scholarship may also be opening up depending on what happens with Hankerson. I have heard that he probably will not be back next year due to the legal problems he has had now and in his past.

I have heard this also.

 

[seattlecowboy]

A scholarship may also be opening up depending on what happens with Hankerson. I have heard that he probably will not be back next year due to the legal problems he has had now and in his past.

From what I heard about the situation and maybe this has already been brought up (I haven't read every thread about this) but he wasn't caught smoking weed. He was busted by the highway patrol for transporting a pot plant back into Wyoming from Colorado. Again just what I heard so I can not confirm or deny whether this is true or not. I guess if that is true that it is only a misdemeanor in Wyoming. Not sure if he will get kicked off of the team for it but I could see him getting kicked off for that more so than just smoking a joint or whatever.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

A scholarship may also be opening up depending on what happens with Hankerson. I have heard that he probably will not be back next year due to the legal problems he has had now and in his past.

From what I heard about the situation and maybe this has already been brought up (I haven't read every thread about this) but he wasn't caught smoking weed. He was busted by the highway patrol for transporting a pot plant back into Wyoming from Colorado. Again just what I heard so I can not confirm or deny whether this is true or not. I guess if that is true that it is only a misdemeanor in Wyoming. Not sure if he will get kicked off of the team for it but I could see him getting kicked off for that more so than just smoking a joint or whatever.

Really? Smuggling a federally controlled substance into the state is only a misdemeanor?

[edit: looks like anything less than 3 oz is a misdemeanor, anything above is a felony. Where does a plant fit into that?]

 

[ProudWYOAlum]

If we lose Hankerson, Vernon, and Halderson I would highly suggest we go JUCO.

 

[CNPOKE]

Wyoming junior guard Charles Hankerson Jr., faces a March 13 hearing in Albany County Circuit Court for misdemeanor drug possession, court records show.

Hankerson -- a 6-foot-4, 220-pound junior from Miami -- was charged with "possession of a controlled substance -- plant" weighing less than 3 ounces. (Casper Tribune)

 

[.44caliberkiller]

Hey Potato just wondering where you heard the rumors about Sellers and Haldorson leaving???

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

Hey Potato just wondering where you heard the rumors about Sellers and Haldorson leaving???

I read the Haldorson rumor here from JimmyDimes, I had not heard or read anything about him leaving earlier on and that is why I said "if" the rumors are true. I read from the other site that he refused to take a redshirt year even though the coaches wanted him to, and that has meant that he hasn't developed the strength that I think the coaches were counting on.

The Seller's rumor I read that on a twitter account months ago and have read it several times since then, and this has been pretty well accepted on acouple of sites that since he graduates that he won't be on the team next year.

I am just painting a possible scenario if the rumors are true. Do you have any information, one way or the other to add?

 

[NowherePoke]

Okay.. again, I don't follow basketball closely, but if bigs are such a problem for Wyoming, how did the coaching staff let this guy slip away?
http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/andy_martin_800181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wyoming boy, tall, starting for a team who has made a few trips to the NCAAs the last few years..

Martin would not help UW at all IMHO. He barely helps the Griz in the Big Sky (10 min/g, 2 pts, 2 rbs) and this is not one of Montana's better teams (RPI around 170 or so). I saw him play once for the griz, but he was a total non-factor against weak competition. It was just one game, but the numbers seem to indicate that is a common performance for him.

I mean, he could help as much as Sellers and all things being equal I guess I would rather have a Wyoming guy wasting away on the bench than a Minnesota guy, but there is no impact on the team performance.

Keep in mind Martin did a prep school year as well so he isn't that young (same year as Grabau and Nance basically). Not sure how his recruitment went, but he was a senior in HS the year Schroyer was fired.


Now, Art Steward is a different story. I agree with you there. He could have helped the Pokes, but that was a combination of Schroyer/McClain and happened quite a while ago.

The only Wyoming player currently in D-1 that could help the Pokes (IMO) is Taran Brown. He was in the same class as Martin and fairly highly recruited. I think if Shyatt had been the coach we might have had a legit shot at landing him, but not with Schroyer (we did offer though). Brown is basically an upgraded version of Haldorson. A little bit thin and a tweener 3/4 that is more comfortable on the arc, but Brown is quite a bit more athletic than Haldorson and can impact the glass. Wouldn't have solved our big man problems, but could be a rotational player taking up minutes as a small ball 4.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

A scholarship may also be opening up depending on what happens with Hankerson. I have heard that he probably will not be back next year due to the legal problems he has had now and in his past.

From what I heard about the situation and maybe this has already been brought up (I haven't read every thread about this) but he wasn't caught smoking weed. He was busted by the highway patrol for transporting a pot plant back into Wyoming from Colorado. Again just what I heard so I can not confirm or deny whether this is true or not. I guess if that is true that it is only a misdemeanor in Wyoming. Not sure if he will get kicked off of the team for it but I could see him getting kicked off for that more so than just smoking a joint or whatever.

Really? Smuggling a federally controlled substance into the state is only a misdemeanor?

[edit: looks like anything less than 3 oz is a misdemeanor, anything above is a felony. Where does a plant fit into that?]

You believe that it should be a felony for something that is legal 40 miles to the South (yes I am well aware of the federal law with zero teeth due to executive order)? Couldn't be much of a greater waste of tax payer money than charging potheads with felonies and incarcerating them. Oh yea and the job market for convicted felons is about zero. Yes lets have the taxpayers support unemployed non-violent offenders.

 

[MrTitleist]

Okay.. again, I don't follow basketball closely, but if bigs are such a problem for Wyoming, how did the coaching staff let this guy slip away?
http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/andy_martin_800181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wyoming boy, tall, starting for a team who has made a few trips to the NCAAs the last few years..

Martin would not help UW at all IMHO. He barely helps the Griz in the Big Sky (10 min/g, 2 pts, 2 rbs) and this is not one of Montana's better teams (RPI around 170 or so). I saw him play once for the griz, but he was a total non-factor against weak competition. It was just one game, but the numbers seem to indicate that is a common performance for him.

I mean, he could help as much as Sellers and all things being equal I guess I would rather have a Wyoming guy wasting away on the bench than a Minnesota guy, but there is no impact on the team performance.

Keep in mind Martin did a prep school year as well so he isn't that young (same year as Grabau and Nance basically). Not sure how his recruitment went, but he was a senior in HS the year Schroyer was fired.


Now, Art Steward is a different story. I agree with you there. He could have helped the Pokes, but that was a combination of Schroyer/McClain and happened quite a while ago.

The only Wyoming player currently in D-1 that could help the Pokes (IMO) is Taran Brown. He was in the same class as Martin and fairly highly recruited. I think if Shyatt had been the coach we might have had a legit shot at landing him, but not with Schroyer (we did offer though). Brown is basically an upgraded version of Haldorson. A little bit thin and a tweener 3/4 that is more comfortable on the arc, but Brown is quite a bit more athletic than Haldorson and can impact the glass. Wouldn't have solved our big man problems, but could be a rotational player taking up minutes as a small ball 4.

Martin isn't much of a factor this year, but he has a big in front of him already.. next year I think his PT will be up as Hutch graduates and he'll be the lone big guy.

 

[kdwrightuwyo]

A scholarship may also be opening up depending on what happens with Hankerson. I have heard that he probably will not be back next year due to the legal problems he has had now and in his past.

From what I heard about the situation and maybe this has already been brought up (I haven't read every thread about this) but he wasn't caught smoking weed. He was busted by the highway patrol for transporting a pot plant back into Wyoming from Colorado. Again just what I heard so I can not confirm or deny whether this is true or not. I guess if that is true that it is only a misdemeanor in Wyoming. Not sure if he will get kicked off of the team for it but I could see him getting kicked off for that more so than just smoking a joint or whatever.

Really? Smuggling a federally controlled substance into the state is only a misdemeanor?

[edit: looks like anything less than 3 oz is a misdemeanor, anything above is a felony. Where does a plant fit into that?]

You believe that it should be a felony for something that is legal 40 miles to the South (yes I am well aware of the federal law with zero teeth due to executive order)? Couldn't be much of a greater waste of tax payer money than charging potheads with felonies and incarcerating them. Oh yea and the job market for convicted felons is about zero. Yes lets have the taxpayers support unemployed non-violent offenders.

It is illegal and a just felony. Just because something in another state is okay doesn't mean that it should be legal everywhere and that the police should turn their backs on illegal activity. Listening to the radio here in Nebraska, marijuana trafficking has increased quite a bit and is turning into a big problem. Illegal is illegal, even if you don't like it.

 

[stymeman]

yeah i love it when the H.P's pull these people over with pounds of the stuff in their cars and the people that are transporting are like, what's the big deal, I don't know how that got there....etc.....stupid is stupid

 

[WyoExpat]

Where does a plant fit into that?]

I do not know, but my guess based on nothing my logic and comparison is that a plant would be treated based on its potential output of the controlled substance. How many pounds can one plant produce over its lifetime assuming a grow light rather than natural climate?

 

[Brew_Poke]

Seems to me that if you've got a Wyoming boy that can play D1 basketball (which is rare) you should probably snatch him up. Esp a big, which is rare to find. Montana had a guard from Casper Natrona who played at Casper College then transferred UM recently as well.. it'd be nice to keep these guys in-state.

Montana doesn't play against SDSU, UNM, and UNLV. I trust Shyatt's evaluation of talent skills.

 

[Vapoke]

Sounds like Haldorson never put in the time or effort to become an elite player, he has the ability to stretch the floor and Sellers was never D1 talent, but he does play with heart. I do think we need some JUCO help down low and a nice 6'6 guard or small forward. I am watching WV and they have a Casper College 6'9 player playing great and Nevada signed a big man from Sheridan college. Shyatt needs to stop with projects and find some
Help

 

[Brew_Poke]

A scholarship may also be opening up depending on what happens with Hankerson. I have heard that he probably will not be back next year due to the legal problems he has had now and in his past.

From what I heard about the situation and maybe this has already been brought up (I haven't read every thread about this) but he wasn't caught smoking weed. He was busted by the highway patrol for transporting a pot plant back into Wyoming from Colorado. Again just what I heard so I can not confirm or deny whether this is true or not. I guess if that is true that it is only a misdemeanor in Wyoming. Not sure if he will get kicked off of the team for it but I could see him getting kicked off for that more so than just smoking a joint or whatever.

Really? Smuggling a federally controlled substance into the state is only a misdemeanor?

[edit: looks like anything less than 3 oz is a misdemeanor, anything above is a felony. Where does a plant fit into that?]

You believe that it should be a felony for something that is legal 40 miles to the South (yes I am well aware of the federal law with zero teeth due to executive order)? Couldn't be much of a greater waste of tax payer money than charging potheads with felonies and incarcerating them. Oh yea and the job market for convicted felons is about zero. Yes lets have the taxpayers support unemployed non-violent offenders.

It is illegal and a just felony. Just because something in another state is okay doesn't mean that it should be legal everywhere and that the police should turn their backs on illegal activity. Listening to the radio here in Nebraska, marijuana trafficking has increased quite a bit and is turning into a big problem. Illegal is illegal, even if you don't like it.

It's not a felony unless prosecutors can prove intent to distribute. One plant? Head stash.