I am officially done

[kansasCowboy]

Here's the thing: a winning coach doesn't change the gameplan from what is working to something that is not. And vice versa. Period.

We threw it half as many times as we did in the first half! We ran more, and we were getting stopped. If anything he changed it for the better compared to most of these arguments, and you all still bitch. We had 24 passes in the first half to 13 in the second half. How is this abandoning what was working? Please people come on!
The ONLY difference and the TRUE game changer: We could not complete ANY passes in the second half.
Be mad all you want, but at least use logic.

 

[Subcanis]

It's not as easy as pass v. rush. Oddly enough, the type of play does factor in (go watch the tapes since DC took over... I'll wait).

 

[cowboyz]

Now DC's record is worse than Glenn's at this point in their careers at Wyo. And, as I touched on last week, DC inherited a program with a pulse. Glenn took over a team averaging less than 2 wins per year under the previous coach.

Go Pokes!
Go Christensen! Seriously, Christensen go, please.

Are you serious? A pulse! DC was worse off than Glenn's first year with Koennings team. Vic was turning the team from a team that was getting blown out every saturday to a team that was at least scoring and attempting to stay in games. And Vic recruited his last year.
DC comes and takes over a program where the offense has tanked all year long (yes worse offense than Vic 's last year) and the D was not much better. Yeah Glenn had two more wins that year than Vic. But , overall Vic's last year was far better than what we saw under Glenn. On top of that, Glenn never recruited all year long his last year. Which is what made our roster so stinking small in DC's first two years.
Vic never had to play 22 freshman in one year. Glenn never had to play 22 freshman in one year. Glenn made DC have to play 22 freshman in one year. And he succeeded.
Right now, we've struggled with injuries and other issues. But this team shows up. They are right at the cusp of being one of the greater teams we've had in years. I guarantee NONE of this would be said if we were 5-1 right now (a lost opportunity which is only 13 points away from being a reality.)
I would love to be 5-1 right now, even if we had that record by a combined 13 points. But, it's a matter of a few plays. Stop trying to make sense using your brown and gold glasses and look at the world with your real eyes.[/quote]
Okay, I see where we're at now. If you're defending VK over Glenn then there's no use discussing DC. He must be somewhere in the God-like category in your view. You don't need to guarantee that none of this would be said if we were 5-1 right now, as we'd be pleased and it would mean that the coach knew what he was doing. But that's sort of the problem, isn't it? We're not 5-1 right now. A dozen or so more points and we would be 5-1. We're so close, another 3 dozen points and we'd be an undefeated BCS busting machine, getting an invite to the new PAC 13. Hold on, gotta go, there's a unicorn in my backyard.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Here's the thing: a winning coach doesn't change the gameplan from what is working to something that is not. And vice versa. Period.

We threw it half as many times as we did in the first half! We ran more, and we were getting stopped. If anything he changed it for the better compared to most of these arguments, and you all still bitch. We had 24 passes in the first half to 13 in the second half. How is this abandoning what was working? Please people come on!
The ONLY difference and the TRUE game changer: We could not complete ANY passes in the second half.
Be mad all you want, but at least use logic.

This.

Our offense looked great in the first half. It was so good that our defense didn't have to do anything (but still gave up 2 big plays). There was ZERO need to make any adjustments whatsoever apart from responsibilities on defense. Everyone gripes about DC not making halftime adjustments, so tell me what you would have CHANGED from a complete offensive domination on our part in the first half.

AFA obviously made the right adjustments because the things that worked for us before half were no longer working. You can talk about in-game adjustments and how we failed at it all you want but there was nothing to change at halftime, period.

 

[Subcanis]

Here's the thing: a winning coach doesn't change the gameplan from what is working to something that is not. And vice versa. Period.

We threw it half as many times as we did in the first half! We ran more, and we were getting stopped. If anything he changed it for the better compared to most of these arguments, and you all still bitch. We had 24 passes in the first half to 13 in the second half. How is this abandoning what was working? Please people come on!
The ONLY difference and the TRUE game changer: We could not complete ANY passes in the second half.
Be mad all you want, but at least use logic.

This.

Our offense looked great in the first half. It was so good that our defense didn't have to do anything (but still gave up 2 big plays). There was ZERO need to make any adjustments whatsoever apart from responsibilities on defense. Everyone gripes about DC not making halftime adjustments, so tell me what you would have CHANGED from a complete offensive domination on our part in the first half.

AFA obviously made the right adjustments because the things that worked for us before half were no longer working. You can talk about in-game adjustments and how we failed at it all you want but there was nothing to change at halftime, period.

We have to make adjustments because we (should) know opponents will! That's how football works!

Our "adjustments" go from what worked the first half to screens. Every game. Every single game.

Watch one single second half of the DC coached Pokes and you've got the gameplan to beat us.

 

[MrTitleist]

I saw a funny stat this afternoon.. Pokes have scored 16 points in the 3rd quarter this year. They have scored over 40 points in every other quarter.

 

[cowboyz]

I saw a funny stat this afternoon.. Pokes have scored 16 points in the 3rd quarter this year. They have scored over 40 points in every other quarter.

Interesting stat, as we've received the ball first to start the 2nd half in most of our games.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Here's the thing: a winning coach doesn't change the gameplan from what is working to something that is not. And vice versa. Period.

We threw it half as many times as we did in the first half! We ran more, and we were getting stopped. If anything he changed it for the better compared to most of these arguments, and you all still bitch. We had 24 passes in the first half to 13 in the second half. How is this abandoning what was working? Please people come on!
The ONLY difference and the TRUE game changer: We could not complete ANY passes in the second half.
Be mad all you want, but at least use logic.

This.

Our offense looked great in the first half. It was so good that our defense didn't have to do anything (but still gave up 2 big plays). There was ZERO need to make any adjustments whatsoever apart from responsibilities on defense. Everyone gripes about DC not making halftime adjustments, so tell me what you would have CHANGED from a complete offensive domination on our part in the first half.

Our offense did look great in the first half. I completely agree. What would you do to change. Remember weather became a factor.
What I saw was us come out do do exactly what worked in the first half, Our rushing attack. I quite honestly was impressed because you have only so many running plays from our spread formation. You would think a D would catch on, but somehow we were able to keep them guessing. Then we had one medium catch that went for 18 yards. Then. Our receivers and RB's hands froze up. That's when the game changed. RB dump screen, 8 yard pass, bounces off his hands. RB screen out to the flat, high and bounced off his hands. Bubble screen quick hit to McNeill, 5 yard pass, McNeill fumbles with the ball and can't hold on. And so on. The D notices this and begins to creep up on us to the point we eventually have the majority of their D in the box and our average yard per carry goes WAY down. Even the QB sneaks and draws were going for little to no gain. Now the Cowboys are one dimensional. How do you make changes? Remember, you only have a handful of running plays from our spread formation. So what do you do.
Well, if I was in DC's situation I would be doing the same thing he did. Keep going run first. Trying to get somewhat of a passing attack to resurrect itself by trying for short easy pitch and catch passes. In this scenario you are kind of in a double whammy. You have the D making adjustments to your run and the weather has made you lose one of your biggest options (passing).

AFA obviously made the right adjustments because the things that worked for us before half were no longer working. You can talk about in-game adjustments and how we failed at it all you want but there was nothing to change at halftime, period.

We have to make adjustments because we (should) know opponents will! That's how football works!

Our "adjustments" go from what worked the first half to screens. Every game. Every single game.

Watch one single second half of the DC coached Pokes and you've got the gameplan to beat us.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Okay, I see where we're at now. If you're defending VK over Glenn then there's no use discussing DC. He must be somewhere in the God-like category in your view. You don't need to guarantee that none of this would be said if we were 5-1 right now, as we'd be pleased and it would mean that the coach knew what he was doing. But that's sort of the problem, isn't it? We're not 5-1 right now. A dozen or so more points and we would be 5-1. We're so close, another 3 dozen points and we'd be an undefeated BCS busting machine, getting an invite to the new PAC 13. Hold on, gotta go, there's a unicorn in my backyard.[/quote]

Again, you can stop being an ASS anytime. I never said Vic was better than Glenn, with exception of their last years in comparison. Look up the numbers and tell me I'm wrong! Wait! I'll do it for you, since I'm sure you won't and then will try to belittle me again, because you're oh so good at it.
Remember the argument was DC inheriting a team with a pulse, unlike what Glenn inherited.
Vic's last year, It was lack of D that killed us. We had an offense that was good. You know, Casey Bramlet, Nate Scott, Derrick Armah, Malcom Floyd, Ryan McGuffey, Scottie Vines, Brock Ralph. Good players. 4 of these guys went to the pro's.
Yes, we did go 2-10. But we played a far tougher schedule with a top ranked Tennessee, a solid Conf champion MAC school in C. Mich. Top 20 Washington, Top 25 AFA and a top 25 Boise. We outplayed and almost beat BYU 31-35, Utah 18-23, UNLV 48-49, SDSU 20-24 and CSU 36-44. All of them similar to these last few games, got scores in just before the end to put them on top. We were very close to having a breakout season with the "horrible" Vic. Our Offense averaged 24ppg and we gave up 36 ppg (Vic's downfall)
Glenn inherited these exact same offensive players. and in his first year only averaged 23 ppg.
Now 08, Glenn's last year. (the team that DC inherited a "pulse" from) we go 4-8. Our schedule MAC opponent Ohio. NDSU, Top 25 BYU, Top 25 Utah, top 25 TCU. That's it. Big difference in the schedule already. We beat Ohio...barely, we barely beat NDSU 16-13, We beat a horrid SDS, and we manage to get by a struggling Tennessee 13-7. Now Our offense consisted of FOUR "4" different QB's. Devin Moore, Wynell Seldon, our Young David Leonard and our supposed "Top Playmaking" WR Greg Bolling. One of these guys went pro. I'm not counting Sledon who made scout team at Washingon.
Our offense was shut out twice, once to BYU 0-44 and UNM 0-24, We only scored a FG on AF 3-23, and only one TD against Utah 7-40, and TCU 7-54. Only 16 points against FCS NDSU, Only 16 points to Bowl Green 16-45, only 14 points against UNLV 14-22. Our best game...SDSU 35-10. Only two other times did we even break 20 points. Losing to CSU 20-31 and beating Ohio 21-20. Our average 12.6ppg. We gave up 28ppg.
I think those numbers speak for themselves. Which do you think was better. I'm gonna say if 02 Wyo squared of with 08 Wyo, 08 Wyo gets their ass handed to them. Thats the difference.
Besides that Vic recruited his last year up until being fired. Glenn quit recruiting before even getting half way through the season, I believe it was after the third game against NDSU. He said that the coaches would not be going on on their BYE weeks to recruit , that they would stay home and love on the players. Pretty much his words exactly. And if you remember we had zero players recruited when DC took over.
DC inherited NOTHING. The cupboards were bare. We had No QB. We had NO RB's, We had one solid WR in David Leonard. and our O-line was also suspect. DC then gets screwed by not getting enough time to recruit his first year. If you remember he was hired Late. DC inherited a team that honestly reminded me of what Vic inherited after Dimel. Dimel hardly recruited his second year and then did NO recruiting his third. Which left the cupboards bare for Vic. Vic then struggled for three straight years. Under DC we were predicted to be last his first year by EVERYBODY. He got us to a bowl game and won it. The next year, everyone had us 7th in the conference and we struggled. Why? Because we were still extremely young and played the toughest schedule we ever had. Then we are predicted 6th. We go 8-4 5-2 in conference and get another Bowl. We then lose A LOT of key players. Alexander leaves early, giving us NO running game. As you have seen it has been an issue. Gipson gone has caused more issues in the secondary. Prosinski gone also causes issues. D-line gone Has caused issues up front. And now, QB injury and supposed suspension. Plus key injuries to other top players has got us where we are now. DC has recreated the pulse you talk about.
This was the argument, I gave you the facts, now prove me wrong.
Good Luck! :thumb:

 

[cowboyz]

Kansas, I don't recall getting permission from you in the past to stop being an ASS, but nonetheless I will take this advice and stop being an ass. I'm on the road right now and only had a chance for a quick read of your post. I'll read it again later to digest it better, but it seems as if you're arguing my point for me.

 

[stymeman]

Ok now that's it's out, I'm spending my $$ to go on my one away game like I do every year and this year pointed to Fresno. I know we can win, I know it's in us, but the key point is PLAY 60 MINS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL. I have been to all games so far and the one pattern I see is lack of execution in the 2nd half. I was really excited when we played Texas Cowboy tough, and thought we were on to wonderful things upcoming. Then I got to see us wilt in the hot September sun against a good Toledo team, barring BSmith's injury or not. Then the fiasco against Cal Poly, WHAT...we lost at home against a FCS team, really in Laramie?? Listened to us almost wilt against Idaho in that sorry dome of a stadium. Listened to BSmith lose his cool and get kicked out then knew that Colby wasn't going to get it done the rest of the way against Nevada. The time to man up and figure out what these Pokes need to do starts now. I know the kids haven't quit yet, but when will they?? I sat in the rain thinking that we could have held on and beat that team "if we woulda stayed with what was truly working the 1st half". But NO this coach and staff have to try to reinvent the wheel in the 2nd half game in and game out. I know one thing I haven't see our D struggle this much over the past 2 years, but we always found ways to get it done. Teach these kids the fundamentals of football, what it takes to tackle, catch, run, force a turnover and end all WIN. I was truly excited that DC signed a new contract and for what I thought was big $$ at least in Wyo standards, but this guy doesn't know how to call the right things when the game matters most. Frustrated beyond all belief, i know we aren't nor ever will be BCS contenders, but be contenders from what I see when I attend in my beloved War Memorial. I pay season tickets, fuel to get there and invest alot of my heart and soul into trying to help my team win. What I'd love to hear on occassion is an appology to the fans that pay his salary. Tell us that we matter on occassion and that you are doing your best to call the right things to help us win a game. At least with Koenning we knew what the results were going to be b4 we went and with Glenn we knew our team had heart and would give it their best. I love Brett Smith, but test his arm and get some WR's that can make a big time catch. I saw lots of heart in Thompson and have lots of eager anticipation in watching him, just hope he doesn't leave us for wanting more playing time elsewhere. Come on DC it's time to earn your stripes/paycheck and give us what we want, heart, Cowboy toughness and that feared having to come play in Laramie, Wyoming. I don't think it's alot to ask for, give us a full 60 for a change!!!

 

[stymeman]

Here's the thing: a winning coach doesn't change the gameplan from what is working to something that is not. And vice versa. Period.

wonderfully put

 

[laxwyo]

To me, it looked like we were doing the same stuff. The exception, we dropped passes and threw passes at the feet of receivers. That many drops and incompletes will stall drives. It just looked like the kids weren't executing in the 2nd half. We passed well in the 1st half to compliment the run and we didn't in the 2nd half. AF had 2 good drives, their last two. We got burned on 2 other plays. That's about it. Our D has improved, just need to be a little more consistent and stop giving up the big plays. We were getting burned in the run game and it looks like we have made adjustments to fix that. I am happy that we've adjusted, but it means putting a bigger burden on the secondary. They've done well, but have a let a few big plays happened. If we can fix that, we'll be good. It's just too late in the season which is expected with a new D coordinator and scheme.