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How much longer do we have to suffer through svboda. He is horrendous
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ragtimejoe1
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Polasek certainly would have been an option.
OrediggerPoke
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Do I believe Bohl advocated a job promotion and put in good words for his son? Of course - every parent would.
But 2 simple things: (1) Burman hires the head coach period…that hiring is on him; and (2) Sawvel worked with Bohl for 3 years and he himself had been a DC for a number of programs over the years…if Sawvel didn’t believe that Bohl would be an effective DC then it is a simple no…so the DC hire is 100% on Sawvel. Fault lies completely within the AD and HC for where we are at.
But because of this incompetence, every single coach on this staff is going down with the ship. The good/smart ones will bail to another program after this year and try to salvage a career. Bohl will be lucky to get a safeties/linebacker position in FCS.
OrediggerPoke
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This is silly.
Giles has never been a defensive/offensive coordinator let alone a HC. Just because someone is a really good and well liked recruiter and position coach doesn’t mean that they have the skill set for FBS head coach and all that comes with it.
BTW - Houston is 1-3 and their defense doesn’t appear to be that impressive. But I’m not placing blame purely at the feet of the defensive line coach.
OrediggerPoke
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Polasek, Scottie Hazelton and Brent Vigen should have been considered as candidates if we were looking for program consistency and folks with coordinator experience and from the Bohl NDSU pipeline.
Sawvel doesn’t even really come from Bohl’s coaching tree.
You'll go crazy trying to go back and understand all the motivations and reasons for what went down after Bohl announced his retirement. The "buck" with hires stops in one place and one place only. Whatever his reasons were, Burman made the call. He gets to live with the results more than anybody else.
McPeachy
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I would have loved to have Hazelton honestly. Not sure on the others, although Polasek had about as many returners as we did, and is winning (damn near beat CU at CU - a game we would have lost by 40).
ragtimejoe1
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An internal hire to prevent attrition was dumb which is why I think the plan was hatched. I do believe that Burman thought it would work out. In other words, I don't think he would have hired PBJ if he knew it would be the way it is. That's on Burman. He had more than enough time to evaluate PBJ.
On the flipside, I think the only reason PBJ was considered was because of the plan to promote junior. Burman thought he was killing 2 birds with 1 stone so to speak. Getting a hire that would work out and honoring a well respected coach's wishes.
The excuse about attrition was bullshit. They knew damn good and well most of these kids weren't going to hit the portal. Burman just used that as lip service to a relatively naive fan base. Naive from a sense that the only info we get is from closed practices and propaganda media.
PorkerPoke
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Burman was afraid to make a move. He didn’t want to tip over the apple cart for fear it would disrupt any semblance of success.
“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself “
laxwyo
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Has a positions coach ever in the history of college football gotten a promotion to head coach over the coordinator? If they wanted an internal hire, Sawvel is the only choice after Polasek left.
laxwyo
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You’re telling me you know that we wouldn’t have had massive portal entries had we just hired someone else? That’s a bold assumption. Almost every coaching change results in portal losses. I’d bet on the average
WestWYOPoke
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No clue how Polasek would have done as a FBS head coach, but he is a huge douche as a person. Like the kind of guy you just want to punch in the face. Maybe that would help him succeed, I don't know. But he makes Bohl look like Joe Glenn.
ragtimejoe1
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You're telling me you know for a fact that we'd have a bunch a kids leave a program due to coaching change without knowing who the new coach is? To where? Fcs? A few maybe would have left but most would remain if they wanted to keep playing football.
Besides, what's the worst that would happen? Be 0-4 with what looks to be one of the worst WYO teams in history? Wait..
One of the reasons I suggested Giles was he has more than 20 years of experience coaching mostly defense and special teams at the major college level and has deep ties to recruiting players from Texas. Wyoming with exception of the Tiller teams has never been an offensive powerhouse. The focus on defense was probably a major factor in Sawvel getting the nod. It should also be noted Giles would have been the first black head football coach for the Cowboys which would have generated some additional interest from recruits. With NIL Wyoming at best will be a developmental program so recruiting and developing talent will be paramount if we hope to be a winning program.
All of the post-hoc motivational diagnosis is quite amusing. It's not that complicated. Burman thought Sawvell would be successful .... everything else is downstream from that. Every other motivation, whether it be plots to elevate the departing coaches son, or trying to avoid transfer losses only come into play after the first question is answered. Did Burman think Sawvell would be successful?...that answer was yes (unfortunately), and that is the problem.
Burman thought Sawvell would be successful....let that sink in. I'll say it again...Burman thought Sawvell would be successful. Now, I can forgive every other Cowboy fan who is not taking a paycheck from anybody at UW for being hopeful or thinking that it would work out. Burman does not get that forgiveness. His job (that he is paid a lot to do) is to identify candidates that can lead the athletic programs at UW to success and then to hire them to do so. He has not succeeded at his job. I do not say that with any animus...I'm sure he's a fine guy...but he isn't cutting the mustard. I would even go so far as to say it might be completely unfair to can a guy for things he probably can't control and didn't see coming. I also do not envy him....I don't know that there is a pool of people that could even succeed in his chair, but that is the job and at least it pays well.
I have wondered about how possible it even is in the modern landscape of college athletics to have excellence at UW. At this point, I think you hire for as cheap as you can, make athletic results the priority, and then fire as soon as it doesn't work out. If there is somebody out there with what it takes to get UW athletics back on track, they are probably not people you and I have heard of and they probably are not even in college athletic administration.
Burman thought Sawvell would be successful....let that sink in. I'll say it again...Burman thought Sawvell would be successful. Now, I can forgive every other Cowboy fan who is not taking a paycheck from anybody at UW for being hopeful or thinking that it would work out. Burman does not get that forgiveness. His job (that he is paid a lot to do) is to identify candidates that can lead the athletic programs at UW to success and then to hire them to do so. He has not succeeded at his job. I do not say that with any animus...I'm sure he's a fine guy...but he isn't cutting the mustard. I would even go so far as to say it might be completely unfair to can a guy for things he probably can't control and didn't see coming. I also do not envy him....I don't know that there is a pool of people that could even succeed in his chair, but that is the job and at least it pays well.
I have wondered about how possible it even is in the modern landscape of college athletics to have excellence at UW. At this point, I think you hire for as cheap as you can, make athletic results the priority, and then fire as soon as it doesn't work out. If there is somebody out there with what it takes to get UW athletics back on track, they are probably not people you and I have heard of and they probably are not even in college athletic administration.
ragtimejoe1
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I agree and disagree. I agree that Burman thought it would work out but if Junior isn't on staff, I don't think PBJ is head coach. I think Burman would have went national or more likely back to Vigen.
I don't believe the attrition bullshit. You'll always have attrition. Hell, look at the rb situation. We'd have been better off if he left before the season. Svoboda transferring wouldn't have been an insurmountable loss. It was the 1 excuse that couldn't be fact checked and he couldn't be held accountable for.
ragtimejoe1
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He was also Associate Head Coach. He made more sense than PBJ.
If Burman did not think Sawvell would be a good coach, there is nobody on staff that would be able to convince him to hire Jay. He's paid what he's paid to make that judgement....it's not easy. His thought process may have been exactly as you characterize it and the problem still remains that he thought Sawvell would be a good coach. He may have desired to do Craig Bohl the biggest favor ever by somehow securing Aaron Bohl a job and he would not have done it by hiring a coach he did not think was any good.
The people he identifies to offer the coaching positions at UW are working out worse than if he just was throwing darts at a board. He is bad at identifying possible successful coaches. That is his downfall and it's provable at this point. Nobody needs to even create unverifiable theories to make this judgement .... the proof is in the pudding.
ragtimejoe1
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You're right about Burman and selecting coaches. You and I disagree on the rest.
In my opinion the question isn't If PBJ will be a good or adequate coach; Burman obviously thought that to be the case.
The question should be, is PBJ the absolute best possible and realistic candidate available? This is where junior comes in. This question wasn't asked, in my opinion, because you couldn't ask this question and still guarantee a junior promotion. This is also a problem imo.
I think the disagreement is one of focus...The question you mention is a fine question to ask....it's even a question that should be asked. It's still downstream of Burman being spectacularly bad at identifying quality coaches. If he was average or good at identifying quality coaches does he hire Sawvell, DC, Edwards, and Schroyer? Maybe one...but all four is really bad. Do you believe that if he had not had the "distraction" of Aaron Bohl that he would have made a good choice? His history doesn't make that assertion very easy to make. There are multiple rationales for all of those hire's...the throughline is that they are bad hires. Burman hires bad coaches for all sorts of reasons...I don't really care why he picks bad coaches...I care that he picks bad coaches.
We have discussed why you think Burman made the choice he did...you have a colorful story to tell that does not conflict what what happened but lacks any other evidence. I'm saying you don't even have to tell stories about this that nobody can verify...you just have to point at the results of the coaches he's hired.
Not only that, but if we were living in an alternate universe where Sawvell was actually a good coach, Burman's decision would have been correct. His motivation and reasoning will be forever opaque to us but the outcomes are not.
