Former Beav QB transferring.

[J-Rod]

Eh...outside of Coffman, I'm not so sure. I think a lot of Wyoming fans are in for a rude awakening over the next few years. We were spoiled with ACS and Brett.

Yup. Everyone is loaded in April....and every November we're reminded that this team isn't nearly as talented as some think. Bohl will need time.

 

[fromolwyoming]

If the guy was transferring from a solid winning program, then I could see looking into it. But Oregon State? Pass. We have a similar guy in Coffman. Plus, I think we have plenty of QB talent already.

Eh...outside of Coffman, I'm not so sure. I think a lot of Wyoming fans are in for a rude awakening over the next few years. We were spoiled with ACS and Brett.

Look what they did with Captain Kirk in one season. I say, give them a chance with who we have before going chicken little on us.

 

[J-Rod]

Look what they did with Captain Kirk in one season. I say, give them a chance with who we have before going chicken little on us.

What did they do? 2600 passing yards on 350+ attempts. 57% completion percentage. 12 TDs, 9 INTs. Nothing to write home about really. About what was expected from Kirk over a full season.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Look what they did with Captain Kirk in one season. I say, give them a chance with who we have before going chicken little on us.

What did they do? 2600 passing yards on 350+ attempts. 57% completion percentage. 12 TDs, 9 INTs. Nothing to write home about really. About what was expected from Kirk over a full season.

Stats don't always bare out the truth. Captain Kirk far exceeded expectations last year. He was god awful at times and his stats are paltry at best but he was FAR better than we expected. We lose every game if Stratton was the starting qb or whatever the backups name is...

 

[J-Rod]

Stats don't always bare out the truth. Captain Kirk far exceeded expectations last year. He was god awful at times and his stats are paltry at best but he was FAR better than we expected. We lose every game if Stratton was the starting qb or whatever the backups name is...

Fair enough, he did step up in certain moments. But I think WestWYOPoke's point still stands. It could be awhile before we see a QB of Smith's caliber again.

 

[BeaverPoke]

If you are going to say what Kirk did, when evaluating him, let's also look at what Kirk DIDN'T do.

Like throw a ball to a wide open WR in the endzone to win a game in overtime.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Stats don't always bare out the truth. Captain Kirk far exceeded expectations last year. He was god awful at times and his stats are paltry at best but he was FAR better than we expected. We lose every game if Stratton was the starting qb or whatever the backups name is...

Fair enough, he did step up in certain moments. But I think WestWYOPoke's point still stands. It could be awhile before we see a QB of Smith's caliber again.

Oh I agree completely. Smith was a stud. But he also wasn't highly touted out of high school. Its guys like him Bohl will have to recruit to be successful. He will have to take diamonds in the rough and polish them into something special. The problem with that is 97 times out of 100 all you get is a polished turd.

If you are going to say what Kirk did, when evaluating him, let's also look at what Kirk DIDN'T do.

Like throw a ball to a wide open WR in the endzone to win a game in overtime.

Haha. Touché sir.

 

[J-Rod]

Oh I agree completely. Smith was a stud. But he also wasn't highly touted out of high school. Its guys like him Bohl will have to recruit to be successful. He will have to take diamonds in the rough and polish them into something special. The problem with that is 97 times out of 100 all you get is a polished turd.

Agreed. Smith wasn't a total unknown though. He was the 89th overall best QB coming out of high school, and he did have a rating. That isn't "highly-touted" by any means, but trust me....that's more than most Wyo recruits can say. Smith was actually one of the top 3 rated recruits in the CDC era.

But yeah, you're overall point is correct. Taking a bunch of unknown, highly under-recruited talent and expecting them to all blossom into something special isn't realistic. If you're lucky, you get one emerging star for every 7-10 terrible players.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I do like that Bohl is getting commits out of kids who have other FBS offers. Too many kids over the last 15 years at Wyo have only FCS offers.

Sure you can point out how Wick only had FCS offers and how he is good but pointing out the exception doesn't make me wrong.

Too many kids just want a D1 offer. They have a bunch of Big Sky or MVC offers then get Wyoming to offer and feel like they made it. When you build a team filled with those recruits you get Shaun Wick and a bunch of guys who won't do shit.

When you build an O-Line with that you are going to get blown up by MWC teams.

I'm so over finding diamonds in the rough. We have found some and they have been great. But we don't have anything to show for it in terms of wins and losses.

Give me 3* players and kids with other FBS offers.

If you are getting kids who have options, and come to Wyoming, then you really know they want to be here and are worth a damn.

Utah didn't win 10+ straight Bowl Wins including 2 BCS Bowls by finding diamonds in the rough. They did it by getting 3* players and beating out BYU for recruits. They got kids who had passion about being Utes and were good enough to be Utes or Cougars or Cowboys or Rams etc.
I mean think about it, if we can't recruit with MWC opponents off the field why would we be able to compete with them on the field?

 

[J-Rod]

I mean think about it, if we can't recruit with MWC opponents off the field why would we be able to compete with them on the field?

Bingo.

 

[BJC]

Is it safe to say Smith was a good qb but was a system qb? :twocents:

 

[J-Rod]

Is it safe to say Smith was a good qb but was a system qb? :twocents:

Haha oh dear. I mean...possibly?

I'll say this...Hawaii had a lot of "system QBs" in the Run & Shoot era. Warriors moved to the same offensive system Bohl runs now. Needless to say, UH fans are begging for a return to "system QBs". Call it what you want, DC's offense was pretty damn fun at times. His defense failed him, and he knew nothing about coaching the guys in the trenches....but his offense was explosive....at times.

 

[BJC]

agreed

 

[BeaverPoke]

Is it safe to say Smith was a good qb but was a system qb? :twocents:

Absolutely.

That's the whole reason he put up crazy numbers, didn't get drafted, and got cut 3 days into his NFL "career".

 

[TSpoke]

Oh I agree completely. Smith was a stud. But he also wasn't highly touted out of high school. Its guys like him Bohl will have to recruit to be successful. He will have to take diamonds in the rough and polish them into something special. The problem with that is 97 times out of 100 all you get is a polished turd.

Agreed. Smith wasn't a total unknown though. He was the 89th overall best QB coming out of high school, and he did have a rating. That isn't "highly-touted" by any means, but trust me....that's more than most Wyo recruits can say. Smith was actually one of the top 3 rated recruits in the CDC era.

But yeah, you're overall point is correct. Taking a bunch of unknown, highly under-recruited talent and expecting them to all blossom into something special isn't realistic. If you're lucky, you get one emerging star for every 7-10 terrible players.

And the two RS-freshman on our roster were ranked as good or better than Smith was. Looking on Rivals I don't see any rankings for any of them but they all had a 5.4 rating. On Espn Brett was a 2 star recruit and the #107 QB recruit in the nation. Nick Smith and Austin Fort were both 3 star recruits and Nick Smith was the #71 pocket passer and Fort was the #36 Dual Threat qb.

What does all that mean? Nothing really. It for sure doesn't mean these two will be as good as Brett but I think it is ridiculous that we have people writing these guys off without ever seeing them perform and claiming since they didn't win the starting job as true freshmen with only the 3 or 4 weeks of fall camp they must be busts.

That doesn't even include Josh Allen who the coaches have been praising so far in camp.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Oh I agree completely. Smith was a stud. But he also wasn't highly touted out of high school. Its guys like him Bohl will have to recruit to be successful. He will have to take diamonds in the rough and polish them into something special. The problem with that is 97 times out of 100 all you get is a polished turd.

Agreed. Smith wasn't a total unknown though. He was the 89th overall best QB coming out of high school, and he did have a rating. That isn't "highly-touted" by any means, but trust me....that's more than most Wyo recruits can say. Smith was actually one of the top 3 rated recruits in the CDC era.

But yeah, you're overall point is correct. Taking a bunch of unknown, highly under-recruited talent and expecting them to all blossom into something special isn't realistic. If you're lucky, you get one emerging star for every 7-10 terrible players.

And the two RS-freshman on our roster were ranked as good or better than Smith was. Looking on Rivals I don't see any rankings for any of them but they all had a 5.4 rating. On Espn Brett was a 2 star recruit and the #107 QB recruit in the nation. Nick Smith and Austin Fort were both 3 star recruits and Nick Smith was the #71 pocket passer and Fort was the #36 Dual Threat qb.

What does all that mean? Nothing really. It for sure doesn't mean these two will be as good as Brett but I think it is ridiculous that we have people writing these guys off without ever seeing them perform and claiming since they didn't win the starting job as true freshmen with only the 3 or 4 weeks of fall camp they must be busts.

That doesn't even include Josh Allen who the coaches have been praising so far in camp.

I agree. Those numbers mean nothing on themselves, throw in that the system here may not benefit them either. Fort is a Dual Threat which is not advantageous in a pro style offense. Yes its nice he can scramble and create if a play breaks down but he isn't being asked to run spread, isn't asked to run zone reads and zone option reads, and he isn't being asked to be a main running option. Again numbers mean nothing until the cleats hit the field. Can someone step up and lead the team, thats all that matters.

 

[fromolwyoming]

Oh I agree completely. Smith was a stud. But he also wasn't highly touted out of high school. Its guys like him Bohl will have to recruit to be successful. He will have to take diamonds in the rough and polish them into something special. The problem with that is 97 times out of 100 all you get is a polished turd.

Agreed. Smith wasn't a total unknown though. He was the 89th overall best QB coming out of high school, and he did have a rating. That isn't "highly-touted" by any means, but trust me....that's more than most Wyo recruits can say. Smith was actually one of the top 3 rated recruits in the CDC era.

But yeah, you're overall point is correct. Taking a bunch of unknown, highly under-recruited talent and expecting them to all blossom into something special isn't realistic. If you're lucky, you get one emerging star for every 7-10 terrible players.

And the two RS-freshman on our roster were ranked as good or better than Smith was. Looking on Rivals I don't see any rankings for any of them but they all had a 5.4 rating. On Espn Brett was a 2 star recruit and the #107 QB recruit in the nation. Nick Smith and Austin Fort were both 3 star recruits and Nick Smith was the #71 pocket passer and Fort was the #36 Dual Threat qb.

What does all that mean? Nothing really. It for sure doesn't mean these two will be as good as Brett but I think it is ridiculous that we have people writing these guys off without ever seeing them perform and claiming since they didn't win the starting job as true freshmen with only the 3 or 4 weeks of fall camp they must be busts.

That doesn't even include Josh Allen who the coaches have been praising so far in camp.

I agree. Those numbers mean nothing on themselves, throw in that the system here may not benefit them either. Fort is a Dual Threat which is not advantageous in a pro style offense. Yes its nice he can scramble and create if a play breaks down but he isn't being asked to run spread, isn't asked to run zone reads and zone option reads, and he isn't being asked to be a main running option. Again numbers mean nothing until the cleats hit the field. Can someone step up and lead the team, thats all that matters.

I watched some of NDSU's games after we found out Bohl was coming here. There were several read options and designed QB runs throughout the games. So yeah, dual threat QBs can and will be used to their strengths.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Oh I agree completely. Smith was a stud. But he also wasn't highly touted out of high school. Its guys like him Bohl will have to recruit to be successful. He will have to take diamonds in the rough and polish them into something special. The problem with that is 97 times out of 100 all you get is a polished turd.

Agreed. Smith wasn't a total unknown though. He was the 89th overall best QB coming out of high school, and he did have a rating. That isn't "highly-touted" by any means, but trust me....that's more than most Wyo recruits can say. Smith was actually one of the top 3 rated recruits in the CDC era.

But yeah, you're overall point is correct. Taking a bunch of unknown, highly under-recruited talent and expecting them to all blossom into something special isn't realistic. If you're lucky, you get one emerging star for every 7-10 terrible players.

And the two RS-freshman on our roster were ranked as good or better than Smith was. Looking on Rivals I don't see any rankings for any of them but they all had a 5.4 rating. On Espn Brett was a 2 star recruit and the #107 QB recruit in the nation. Nick Smith and Austin Fort were both 3 star recruits and Nick Smith was the #71 pocket passer and Fort was the #36 Dual Threat qb.

What does all that mean? Nothing really. It for sure doesn't mean these two will be as good as Brett but I think it is ridiculous that we have people writing these guys off without ever seeing them perform and claiming since they didn't win the starting job as true freshmen with only the 3 or 4 weeks of fall camp they must be busts.

That doesn't even include Josh Allen who the coaches have been praising so far in camp.

I agree. Those numbers mean nothing on themselves, throw in that the system here may not benefit them either. Fort is a Dual Threat which is not advantageous in a pro style offense. Yes its nice he can scramble and create if a play breaks down but he isn't being asked to run spread, isn't asked to run zone reads and zone option reads, and he isn't being asked to be a main running option. Again numbers mean nothing until the cleats hit the field. Can someone step up and lead the team, thats all that matters.

I watched some of NDSU's games after we found out Bohl was coming here. There were several read options and designed QB runs throughout the games. So yeah, dual threat QBs can and will be used to their strengths.

I guess maybe it is dependent on the personel. Colby wasn't running a zone read option but maybe Brett Smith would have. Good point.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Well duh, Coach Bohl is a good football coach. He coaches to his players talents. He has a plan and prefers things certain ways, but he is a good coach and will adapt to what he has.

Note: FBS football isn't about coaching as much as it is recruiting.

 

[J-Rod]

Well duh, Coach Bohl is a good football coach. He coaches to his players talents. He has a plan and prefers things certain ways, but he is a good coach and will adapt to what he has.

Note: FBS football isn't about coaching as much as it is recruiting.

That is true. There are some decent-to-above average coaches who have high level success despite not knowing the game well...all due to recruiting.

Les Miles - talent developer? Not a chance. We didn't know who Odell Beckham Jr. was until last season with NYG.
Jim Mora Jr. - Recruiting giant, average coach
Steve Sarkisian - See Mora.

Plenty of other examples. Talent wins big at the FBS level.