Former Beav QB transferring.

[TSpoke]

Bold prediction: Josh Allen will be the no. 2 coming out of the spring and will be pushing Coffman by the fall and will end up redshirting and will be the starter for the next three years.

Could very well be. I'm predicting similar but with Nick Smith instead of Jash Allen. Who knows? But we have plenty of guys who could end up being pretty good.

And Beav, Jash Allen wasn't here last year to compete with Colby and Fort and Smith were true freshman that were gonna redshirt so they didn't really compete with Colby either.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

I'm in the minority, but I think NCAA needs to adjust transfer rules. If your coach is fired, I think you should be able to transfer without sitting and of no consequence to the team you just left. If you are leaving, you should be required to commit to leaving prior to the signing period so that the new coach can fill your scholly.

I wouldn't be against a move like that, but I could see some problems if it happened. The reason the rule was put in place in the first place was to prevent teams and coaches from actively recruiting (or paying) players from another team to come over. Hard to talk a kid to coming to your school while also telling him "oh yeah, you'll have to sit out a year first".

Under your stipulation, as soon as a coach is fired or takes another job, suddenly it becomes a fire sale on all of the good players at that school.

On one hand, I see the injustice; on the other, it's a very slippery slope...

 

[BeaverPoke]

Bold prediction: Josh Allen will be the no. 2 coming out of the spring and will be pushing Coffman by the fall and will end up redshirting and will be the starter for the next three years.

Could very well be. I'm predicting similar but with Nick Smith instead of Jash Allen. Who knows? But we have plenty of guys who could end up being pretty good.

And Beav, Jash Allen wasn't here last year to compete with Colby and Fort and Smith were true freshman that were gonna redshirt so they didn't really compete with Colby either.

If they were good enough to play and win as true freshmen they would have played and not red-shirted.

The plan wasn't "Oh let's make sure we RS these 2 QBs because we need them to RS so we will play Kirk and lose 8 games".

The plan was to play the best QB we had. And we did.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I wouldn't be against a move like that, but I could see some problems if it happened. The reason the rule was put in place in the first place was to prevent teams and coaches from actively recruiting (or paying) players from another team to come over. Hard to talk a kid to coming to your school while also telling him "oh yeah, you'll have to sit out a year first".

Under your stipulation, as soon as a coach is fired or takes another job, suddenly it becomes a fire sale on all of the good players at that school.

On one hand, I see the injustice; on the other, it's a very slippery slope...

I definitely get the down side. Maybe there is a happy medium. You have to sit but don't lose eligibility?

I don't know; the kids are getting screwed on this, though. Hell, a scholly is only a one year commitment. A coach can pull a scholly at any time. However, the kid has to sign a LOI for 4-5 years and stay 4-5 years (assuming no pro) or pay a penalty (i.e. sit a year and lose eligibility). A coach can leave at any time and no penalty.

It is straight up B.S. and designed to protect the bottom dollar of the University with no regard for the athlete.

 

[BeaverPoke]

And people talk about the current Pokes QBs developing but you know the Oregon State QB has been developing for the last 2 years behind Sean Mannion under Mike Riley (who has a good track record of sending QBs to the NFL).

He was a 3* with several offers from FBS schools and P5 schools. He has been in a pro-style system for 2 years, one year longer than anyone at Wyoming.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

And people talk about the current Pokes QBs developing but you know the Oregon State QB has been developing for the last 2 years behind Sean Mannion under Mike Riley (who has a good track record of sending QBs to the NFL).

He was a 3* with several offers from FBS schools and P5 schools. He has been in a pro-style system for 2 years, one year longer than anyone at Wyoming.

You don't need to convince me, Beav. If Bohl et al. think he would be a better option, I'm all for it.

Name on the jersey and year in school don't make a shit to me. The numbers on the scoreboard do.

(not saying I don't care about our players; I just care that the best player is playing).

 

[LanderPoke]

Bold prediction: Josh Allen will be the no. 2 coming out of the spring and will be pushing Coffman by the fall and will end up redshirting and will be the starter for the next three years.

Could very well be. I'm predicting similar but with Nick Smith instead of Jash Allen. Who knows? But we have plenty of guys who could end up being pretty good.

And Beav, Jash Allen wasn't here last year to compete with Colby and Fort and Smith were true freshman that were gonna redshirt so they didn't really compete with Colby either.

If they were good enough to play and win as true freshmen they would have played and not red-shirted.

The plan wasn't "Oh let's make sure we RS these 2 QBs because we need them to RS so we will play Kirk and lose 8 games".

The plan was to play the best QB we had. And we did.

The difficulty of the jump from high school to college cannot be overstated, especially at the most important/hardest position. Even if we had a world beater qb with all the talent in the world he still probably would not have beaten out Kirk last year.

 

[cali2wyo]

Even if we had a world beater qb with all the talent in the world he still probably would not have beaten out Kirk last year.

And there goes your argument down the drain....

I think anyone here would take true freshman ACS or Brett Smith over super senior Kirk any day

 

[TSpoke]

I think it would be extremely rare to see a true freshman starting in this offense esspecially if they only made it to campus for fall camp.

If the coaches thought it would help I'm sure they would pursue this kid, if they are happy where they are at with QB then they probably won't. I'm cool with either. I just get the feeling they like what they have at the position.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Even if we had a world beater qb with all the talent in the world he still probably would not have beaten out Kirk last year.

And there goes your argument down the drain....

I think anyone here would take true freshman ACS or Brett Smith over super senior Kirk any day

+1

SEVERAL freshman QBs start every season.

Yes a lot of them are in spreads or are RS-freshman but it is not too hard to find freshman QBs playing.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I think it would be extremely rare to see a true freshman starting in this offense esspecially if they only made it to campus for fall camp.

If the coaches thought it would help I'm sure they would pursue this kid, if they are happy where they are at with QB then they probably won't. I'm cool with either. I just get the feeling they like what they have at the position.

What makes you think they are happy with what they have?

Isn't every coach ever trying to find an upgrade in talent at the QB position?

 

[LanderPoke]

Even if we had a world beater qb with all the talent in the world he still probably would not have beaten out Kirk last year.

And there goes your argument down the drain....

I think anyone here would take true freshman ACS or Brett Smith over super senior Kirk any day

+1

SEVERAL freshman QBs start every season.

Yes a lot of them are in spreads or are RS-freshman but it is not too hard to find freshman QBs playing.

Yes, yes we are talking about true freshmen, of course. The only reason Brett Smith and ACS started was because there wasn't anyone even as good as Kirk. The point is it's very, very rare and it's got to be a perfect storm for a true freshman to play as a true freshman.

And the only reason ACS and Brett got to play was because they could run and improvise. A running/improvising qb is not supposed to happen in Bohl's offense.

 

[WYCowboy]

I believe we had a total of 5 QBs on the roster last year. One was a senior with some D1 experience, one was a transfer (Young) with no D1 experience who came in at the first of the year and was here for spring football camp, the remaining 3 came in during the summer when they could not be evaluated during spring football camp. On top of that, our entire coaching staff didn't get here until after the first of the year (some right before spring football). So now you are saying "if they were good enough to play as true freshmen, they wouldn't have red-shirted'. That may be the dumbest statement I have seen on this board.

 

[cali2wyo]

Even if we had a world beater qb with all the talent in the world he still probably would not have beaten out Kirk last year.

And there goes your argument down the drain....

I think anyone here would take true freshman ACS or Brett Smith over super senior Kirk any day

+1

SEVERAL freshman QBs start every season.

Yes a lot of them are in spreads or are RS-freshman but it is not too hard to find freshman QBs playing.

Yes, yes we are talking about true freshmen, of course. The only reason Brett Smith and ACS started was because there wasn't anyone even as good as Kirk. The point is it's very, very rare and it's got to be a perfect storm for a true freshman to play as a true freshman.

And the only reason ACS and Brett got to play was because they could run and improvise. A running/improvising qb is not supposed to happen in Bohl's offense.

Really? They made freshman mistakes at times, but even as freshmen they had the football smarts to be able to roll out of the pocket and look up to see an open receiver in the end zone and decide to throw to him instead of a lob across the field. Of course Kirk had bright spots, but I think ACS (bowl game) and Brett Smith (season opener night game, game winning drive) had brighter spots than kirk

 

[J-Rod]

I believe we had a total of 5 QBs on the roster last year. One was a senior with some D1 experience, one was a transfer (Young) with no D1 experience who came in at the first of the year and was here for spring football camp, the remaining 3 came in during the summer when they could not be evaluated during spring football camp. On top of that, our entire coaching staff didn't get here until after the first of the year (some right before spring football). So now you are saying "if they were good enough to play as true freshmen, they wouldn't have red-shirted'. That may be the dumbest statement I have seen on this board.

Yep, and coaches don't necessarily pick the right QB. Joe Montana started one year at Notre Dame. Cam Newton was a backup to Tim freaking Tebow at Florida. Just because Kirk started over the young guys doesn't mean he is better than them.

Arguably Boise State's worst QB in the last 15 years, Taylor Tharp, started one season over true freshman Kellen Moore, who redshirted. So Tharp > Moore? I don't think so.

Again, I'm one that is hoping one of these massive young freshman (6'4"+) beats out Coffman. They fit more with what Bohl's had success with in the past.

 

[LanderPoke]

Even if we had a world beater qb with all the talent in the world he still probably would not have beaten out Kirk last year.

And there goes your argument down the drain....

I think anyone here would take true freshman ACS or Brett Smith over super senior Kirk any day

+1

SEVERAL freshman QBs start every season.

Yes a lot of them are in spreads or are RS-freshman but it is not too hard to find freshman QBs playing.

Yes, yes we are talking about true freshmen, of course. The only reason Brett Smith and ACS started was because there wasn't anyone even as good as Kirk. The point is it's very, very rare and it's got to be a perfect storm for a true freshman to play as a true freshman.

And the only reason ACS and Brett got to play was because they could run and improvise. A running/improvising qb is not supposed to happen in Bohl's offense.

Really? They made freshman mistakes at times, but even as freshmen they had the football smarts to be able to roll out of the pocket and look up to see an open receiver in the end zone and decide to throw to him instead of a lob across the field. Of course Kirk had bright spots, but I think ACS (bowl game) and Brett Smith (season opener night game, game winning drive) had brighter spots than kirk

Ok. The point remains. Let's not count out the QBs who were true freshmen last year just because they couldn't beat out a 5th year senior with one fall camp under their belts.

 

[cali2wyo]

Even if we had a world beater qb with all the talent in the world he still probably would not have beaten out Kirk last year.

And there goes your argument down the drain....

I think anyone here would take true freshman ACS or Brett Smith over super senior Kirk any day

+1

SEVERAL freshman QBs start every season.

Yes a lot of them are in spreads or are RS-freshman but it is not too hard to find freshman QBs playing.

Yes, yes we are talking about true freshmen, of course. The only reason Brett Smith and ACS started was because there wasn't anyone even as good as Kirk. The point is it's very, very rare and it's got to be a perfect storm for a true freshman to play as a true freshman.

And the only reason ACS and Brett got to play was because they could run and improvise. A running/improvising qb is not supposed to happen in Bohl's offense.

Really? They made freshman mistakes at times, but even as freshmen they had the football smarts to be able to roll out of the pocket and look up to see an open receiver in the end zone and decide to throw to him instead of a lob across the field. Of course Kirk had bright spots, but I think ACS (bowl game) and Brett Smith (season opener night game, game winning drive) had brighter spots than kirk

Ok. The point remains. Let's not count out the QBs who were true freshmen last year just because they couldn't beat out a 5th year senior with one fall camp under their belts.

Agreed. But the other point remains, we can't assume they'll be program saviors in the future while ignoring their lack of production to simply being "inexperienced", they might unfortunately just suck. Lets hope the staff can get the best out of them and prove the doubters (including myself) wrong.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

I wouldn't be against a move like that, but I could see some problems if it happened. The reason the rule was put in place in the first place was to prevent teams and coaches from actively recruiting (or paying) players from another team to come over. Hard to talk a kid to coming to your school while also telling him "oh yeah, you'll have to sit out a year first".

Under your stipulation, as soon as a coach is fired or takes another job, suddenly it becomes a fire sale on all of the good players at that school.

On one hand, I see the injustice; on the other, it's a very slippery slope...

I definitely get the down side. Maybe there is a happy medium. You have to sit but don't lose eligibility?

I don't know; the kids are getting screwed on this, though. Hell, a scholly is only a one year commitment. A coach can pull a scholly at any time. However, the kid has to sign a LOI for 4-5 years and stay 4-5 years (assuming no pro) or pay a penalty (i.e. sit a year and lose eligibility). A coach can leave at any time and no penalty.

It is straight up B.S. and designed to protect the bottom dollar of the University with no regard for the athlete.

I totally agree. Kids get hosed a lot in this system. I do like your idea of still sitting out a year, but they don't lose a year of eligibility. One nice change that is starting to happen RE: scholarships are that schools are now able to offer multi-year guaranteed scholarships. So a school could promise a recruit a 4-year scholarship that couldn't be taken away (except if the athlete gets in trouble). These could be good for athletes as well as helpful in recruiting for smaller schools.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I believe we had a total of 5 QBs on the roster last year. One was a senior with some D1 experience, one was a transfer (Young) with no D1 experience who came in at the first of the year and was here for spring football camp, the remaining 3 came in during the summer when they could not be evaluated during spring football camp. On top of that, our entire coaching staff didn't get here until after the first of the year (some right before spring football). So now you are saying "if they were good enough to play as true freshmen, they wouldn't have red-shirted'. That may be the dumbest statement I have seen on this board.

Yep, and coaches don't necessarily pick the right QB. Joe Montana started one year at Notre Dame. Cam Newton was a backup to Tim freaking Tebow at Florida. Just because Kirk started over the young guys doesn't mean he is better than them.

Arguably Boise State's worst QB in the last 15 years, Taylor Tharp, started one season over true freshman Kellen Moore, who redshirted. So Tharp > Moore? I don't think so.

Again, I'm one that is hoping one of these massive young freshman (6'4"+) beats out Coffman. They fit more with what Bohl's had success with in the past.

You bring up those guys but fail to mention that Taylor Tharp lead Boise State to a 10 win season, and Tim Tebow went down as one of the greatest COLLEGE QBs of ALL TIME.

Why play a true freshman if you are winning? Even Florida State redshirted Winston his true freshman season, because they were winning. You can bet your ass if Florida was not winning, Newton would have played. If FSU was not winning Winston would have played. If Boise was not winning Moore would have played.

Just the same that ACS played after Wyoming started 1-2. Beat Weber State (or was it Southern Utah?) lost to Texas, lost to Colorado 24-0. Then ACS started.

If we had beaten Texas and CU you know ACS would not have started.

But last season? We were not good and Kirk still started.
Maybe it was because the Montana, AFA, and FAU wins that guaranteed his job through the rest of the season.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Even if we had a world beater qb with all the talent in the world he still probably would not have beaten out Kirk last year.

And there goes your argument down the drain....

I think anyone here would take true freshman ACS or Brett Smith over super senior Kirk any day

+1

SEVERAL freshman QBs start every season.

Yes a lot of them are in spreads or are RS-freshman but it is not too hard to find freshman QBs playing.

Yes, yes we are talking about true freshmen, of course. The only reason Brett Smith and ACS started was because there wasn't anyone even as good as Kirk. The point is it's very, very rare and it's got to be a perfect storm for a true freshman to play as a true freshman.

And the only reason ACS and Brett got to play was because they could run and improvise. A running/improvising qb is not supposed to happen in Bohl's offense.

Really? They made freshman mistakes at times, but even as freshmen they had the football smarts to be able to roll out of the pocket and look up to see an open receiver in the end zone and decide to throw to him instead of a lob across the field. Of course Kirk had bright spots, but I think ACS (bowl game) and Brett Smith (season opener night game, game winning drive) had brighter spots than kirk

Ok. The point remains. Let's not count out the QBs who were true freshmen last year just because they couldn't beat out a 5th year senior with one fall camp under their belts.

It wasn't just any 5th year senior. It was one who was buried on the depth chart, lost to an FCS team at one point in his career, lost his back up role to a TRUE FRESHMAN because of it (Jason Thompson started against AFA because Kirk couldn't cut it against Cal Poly).
Kirk was a scout team QB.

We lost 2 QBs in one off season and that was the only way Kirk was going to start.

We had no talent at the QB position last season. The freshman were not good enough to get the starting spot from him. Young, the Juco kid wasn't good enough either.