ragtimejoe1 said:
kansasCowboy said:
BeaverPoke said:
joshvanklomp said:
I don't have a G5 example, but look at Duke. First four years for coach David Cutcliffe, he went 4-8, 5-7, 3-9, 3-9. No bowl games, and the third and fourth seasons were worse than the first and second. Year 5, they made it to a bowl game at 6-6. Next two seasons he went 10-2 and 9-3.
Too bad they didn't fire him when they had the chance...
One outlier, whoopdy fuckin doo
Bill Snyder- KSU
Frank Beamer-VT
Greg Schiano- Rutg
David Cutcliffe-Duke
Everyone of them successful, everyone of them probably would've been fired at WYO...
Sure I could name more.
Yet, you would be on the bandwagon, if history allowed these gents to have the same type career here to have them ousted after 3-4 years based on their success/ or lack there of...
Now apples to apples. G5 coach that required 5+ years? Comparing building a program in the current MWC to a P5 is like comparing training to climb a hill to training to climb Everest.
Just stop.
And now he's back to instant gratification... :roll:
College football is college football. P5 to G5. The challenge on building a successful sustained winning program is no different.
The truth is simple, I keep hearing people say, "we've been hearing that we would be successful for 17 years now and still haven't seen it."
Okay. I don't like it either. But let's look at this. We gave one coach (VK)3 year; even though his wins never came like we thought they should, by year three even though they were 2-10 they were just a few plays away from 6 or 7 wins. But we gave up on him. Brought in the next guy.
"Sis, Boom, Baw" Glenn. Tried to get fan into it again. Tried to do his new scheme. (4-8; 7-5; 4-7; 6-6; 5-7;4-8) Even though out record went down by one game year to year near the end, he had the talent back on the team to go bowling. (But, when he new the writing was on the wall for him he quit recruiting,
Creating a void. In comes the next in line.
DC and his "crazy offense". He brought a enough motivation to make some younger guys over achieve and the older guys give him their all. And we went to a bowl. The next year showed where we really were 3-9 and following that we had some decent talent recruited, a weak schedule and had a star FR QB Smith that really helped get us those 8 wins. But the one thing that caught up to DC is his recruiting and coaching of Defense (which you can see the results of that today).
5-7 no D; 4-8 no D, losing in shootouts. In comes the next in line.
Craig Bohl "Three Time Champion".
4-8 (barely) using existing talent left over from DC. And right now even that talent is gone. We are young!
Now VK went 1-10; 2-9; 2-10, but showed vast improvement in year three= Fired
Glenn went 4-8(severely underachieved this year, VK would've done better); 7-5; 4-7; 6-6; 5-7; 4-8. He had the talent to Make some noise the next year, but he was already told he'd be fired, he quit recruiting gave that success to DC his first year.
DC- 7-6; 3-9; 8-5; 5-7; 4-8. I think DC was someone we were looking at to give instant gratification. He built to have quick one dimensional success (offense only).
As you can see his talent left on the team after he left barely lasts two years.
So:
VK was on the verge and we gave up on him
Glenn took a little longer but was also on the verge and we axed him.
DC was instant success and nothing to show for when he left (cupboards Bare)
CB is now here. He is a proven winner. Do we give him time to mold a young inexperienced team, or just relegate him to 3-4 years and go on to the next.
If we continue this trend, ragtime, you will be saying," I been hearing of change and success for 25 years, 30 years, I'm dead now."
You want a change? The change the trend.
