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ragtimejoe1

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Theoretically, and I hope it doesn't happen, but let's say we give Bohl 7 years and nothing. We are at the same place as with Glenn or DC. This isn't about why this scenario won't happen, but what do we do if it does? Hire the next guy and wait another 7 years? In other words, what if you are wrong?
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
Theoretically, and I hope it doesn't happen, but let's say we give Bohl 7 years and nothing. We are at the same place as with Glenn or DC. This isn't about why this scenario won't happen, but what do we do if it does? Hire the next guy and wait another 7 years? In other words, what if you are wrong?
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If it takes Craig Bohl 7 years to get this ship righted he won't be here for the 6th year...so no worries.
 
Way I see it, we don't have anything to lose. We haven't fallen from grace, we never had grace to begin with.

A few random good years decades ago are merely statistical outliers. Big picture, we suck and pretty much always have. Why not start from scratch and build from the ground up....
 
Yabadabadoo said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
Theoretically, and I hope it doesn't happen, but let's say we give Bohl 7 years and nothing. We are at the same place as with Glenn or DC. This isn't about why this scenario won't happen, but what do we do if it does? Hire the next guy and wait another 7 years? In other words, what if you are wrong?
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If it takes Craig Bohl 7 years to get this ship righted he won't be here for the 6th year...so no worries.
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That is the entire UW problem, If a coach needs additional time to build we don't give it to them and then we pull the plug get a new coach who changes more shit and bam right back to a team that can't do shit.

If he needs 7 and there is promise being shown i'm all for giving him the time he needs adding a new coach to rip apart what has been done and rebuild it again is no different then wasting 10 years on 2 coaches and still ending with losing records.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
Now therein lies the rub. What constitutes "promise"?
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I think that's a fair question but harder to answer. Find a coach who has rebuilt a dead in the water program in a tough recruiting area of a G5 program and let's get some ideas. I don't know of any of those coaches I'd have to do a lot of research to find anything.
 
Wyo2dal said:
Yabadabadoo said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
Theoretically, and I hope it doesn't happen, but let's say we give Bohl 7 years and nothing. We are at the same place as with Glenn or DC. This isn't about why this scenario won't happen, but what do we do if it does? Hire the next guy and wait another 7 years? In other words, what if you are wrong?
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If it takes Craig Bohl 7 years to get this ship righted he won't be here for the 6th year...so no worries.
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That is the entire UW problem, If a coach needs additional time to build we don't give it to them and then we pull the plug get a new coach who changes more shit and bam right back to a team that can't do shit.

If he needs 7 and there is promise being shown i'm all for giving him the time he needs adding a new coach to rip apart what has been done and rebuild it again is no different then wasting 10 years on 2 coaches and still ending with losing records.
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You're right and I should clarify what I meant.

Certainly there are variables that could come into play...what I meant was that if we are confronted with a situation where by the end of the 4th year it is looking as though we are only treading water with no significant gains being made in the program - then if the 5th season shows more sputtering with one step forward followed by one step behind -- I believe the pressure to look in another direction could cause another change.

But I'm with you, I believe that if we are to become a consistent threat in the MWC and a top 50 college football program year in and year out, then Bohl (or someone else potentially) needs to be the Wyoming coach for a decades worth of time consecutively.

This is why I'm fine with the direction currently - and if I was a betting man - I would move my dollars onto Bohl to not only right this ship - but by year 5 of his regime seeing the tangible and irrefutable signs of a Wyoming football team that looks radically different from the current incarnation...and from years 5 through 10 of the Bohl regime I am expecting the most consistent success Wyoming football has ever had in the so called modern era.

Craig Bohl will hoist the Mountain West Conference Championship trophy before he is done in Laramie...and I'll also say that people will want to build a statue of him somewhere outside the Rochelle Center before it's all done and said.

Of course I could be wrong - but I don't think so.
 
Wyo2dal said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
Now therein lies the rub. What constitutes "promise"?
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I think that's a fair question but harder to answer. Find a coach who has rebuilt a dead in the water program in a tough recruiting area of a G5 program and let's get some ideas. I don't know of any of those coaches I'd have to do a lot of research to find anything.
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Gary Anderson at Utah State? Some make a lot of excuses about his success and why that isn't realistic at UW, but you know what they say about excuses. Probably the closest example for your question, IMO.
 
I have no idea what type of shape USU was when he took over but it only took him 3 years.

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Probably a little easier to recruit to USU than UW but I wouldn't know that for sure. Bohl went 4-8 in his first year and it's very highly unlikely he will reach 4-8 again this year. Chances of 7-6 next year seem slim so far but the year isn't over so who knows what might happen.

I'd be shocked to see us go 11-2 in 2018, We could see a bigger turn around in year three who knows.
 
USU was bad before him. WYO used to knock the dogshit out of them, even when we were bad. Look, this is a 2 way street. We are trying to climb the MWC not the SEC. So, what MWC coach or G5 coach took 5-6 years to build a dominant program?
 
I don't have a G5 example, but look at Duke. First four years for coach David Cutcliffe, he went 4-8, 5-7, 3-9, 3-9. No bowl games, and the third and fourth seasons were worse than the first and second. Year 5, they made it to a bowl game at 6-6. Next two seasons he went 10-2 and 9-3.

Too bad they didn't fire him when they had the chance...
 
joshvanklomp said:
I don't have a G5 example, but look at Duke. First four years for coach David Cutcliffe, he went 4-8, 5-7, 3-9, 3-9. No bowl games, and the third and fourth seasons were worse than the first and second. Year 5, they made it to a bowl game at 6-6. Next two seasons he went 10-2 and 9-3.

Too bad they didn't fire him when they had the chance...
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One outlier, whoopdy fuckin doo
 
BeaverPoke said:
joshvanklomp said:
I don't have a G5 example, but look at Duke. First four years for coach David Cutcliffe, he went 4-8, 5-7, 3-9, 3-9. No bowl games, and the third and fourth seasons were worse than the first and second. Year 5, they made it to a bowl game at 6-6. Next two seasons he went 10-2 and 9-3.

Too bad they didn't fire him when they had the chance...
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One outlier, whoopdy fuckin doo
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There's also USU, whose coach that got them out of the mire they were in is now Oregon State's new HC.
 
fromolwyoming said:
There's also USU, whose coach that got them out of the mire they were in is now Oregon State's new HC.
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This is true, but Wyoming doesn't have the luxury of playing in an insanely weakened WAC to springboard an era like that. They've also had unarguably the easiest MW slate every year since joining the MW.
 
We scheduled two games we thought were gimmes to start the season 2-0. The sad reality is that it's Wyoming that is the cupcake, not the FCS school or Eastern Michigan. That sucks.
 
J-Rod said:
fromolwyoming said:
There's also USU, whose coach that got them out of the mire they were in is now Oregon State's new HC.
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This is true, but Wyoming doesn't have the luxury of playing in an insanely weakened WAC to springboard an era like that. They've also had unarguably the easiest MW slate every year since joining the MW.
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A few other things.

-We lost a ton of seniors last year with about 8 this season.
-That means we have to play a bunch of true and redshirt freshmen.
-We are also transitioning from a spread offense to a west coast offense.
-The only offense more different is the triple option offense.
-In order to completely change things for long term betterment, Bohl has had to tear things down and build it up stronger, faster, and overall better than before. That is never an easy transition, particularly when the last HC was someone like Dave Christensen who left the cupboards pretty bare (aside from a handful of players).
 
fromolwyoming said:
J-Rod said:
fromolwyoming said:
There's also USU, whose coach that got them out of the mire they were in is now Oregon State's new HC.
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This is true, but Wyoming doesn't have the luxury of playing in an insanely weakened WAC to springboard an era like that. They've also had unarguably the easiest MW slate every year since joining the MW.
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A few other things.

-We lost a ton of seniors last year with about 8 this season.
-That means we have to play a bunch of true and redshirt freshmen.
-We are also transitioning from a spread offense to a west coast offense.
-The only offense more different is the triple option offense.
-In order to completely change things for long term betterment, Bohl has had to tear things down and build it up stronger, faster, and overall better than before. That is never an easy transition, particularly when the last HC was someone like Dave Christensen who left the cupboards pretty bare (aside from a handful of players).
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I have come to love this man. Through Jesus, all things are possible. :thumb:
 
I say give the man with bohls reputation at least a full cycle of recruits before you can judge the product.

Patience is not easy when we have been anxiously awaiting college football all year and losing sucks but I will remain optimistic about the future
 
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