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For all of us Morris Marshall fan boys...
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LanderPoke
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I still think he's 10x the basketball player Lieberman is.
LanderPoke
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Just imagine if Marshall was allowed to mess up 50,000 times and grow into his role, too. We'd have a 6'4'' freak athlete that can do things that Lieberman can't even dream of. Shyatt dropped the ball with Marshall big time.
TSpoke
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LanderPoke said:
Disagree. Marshall is a great athlete but I have yet to see anything from him to show he is a good basketball player. He might be but I haven't seen anything to suggest it. If Shyatt gave him more time could he have developed? Maybe, maybe not. In the lack of other evidence I'll defer to SHyatts judgment on this one.
I hope he can put it together and contribute in a meaningful way next year.
McPeachy
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LanderPoke said:
As my thread title stated "us Morris Marshall fan boys" - considering I am one, I had to fess-up and face reality - he looked completely lost on the court Saturday - both sides of the ball - defense AND offense. Completely lost as in like 5th grade girls hoops lost. He was out of position everywhere, and his shot was so far off (0 for 2) it made Lieb's look like Steph Curry.
I wish I could find the recruiting thread on MM. Remembering back, I was wondering WTF we were going to do with him. Statistically he was mediocre, and was a JC guy. I may have to agree with you after I look back, Shyatt dropped the ball with him, but not the way you think he did.
LanderPoke
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Marshall's confidence is probably minuscule at this point and he has looked lost. It's a lost season for him now. If Shyatt wasn't going to play him why not redshirt him?McPeachy said:
I can't remember the thread, but I think his JC stats were similar to recent JCs like Sobey and Martinez. I was hopeful.
But, I agree, he was recruited into a log jam at the wing position. Beating a dead horse's dead horse, Shyatt should have gotten a big man.
Cosmic Cowboy
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When are we gonna realize that Shyatt knows best probably about 93% of the time? His moves that don't work are most likely based off of things he's got a beat on. He just led out a team that tied the record amount of 3's made. I mean its just like out of nowhere they can find another gear. How is that done? Because the blueprint to success is constantly being worked on. Even you Lieberman haters had to admit he looked pretty damn good last game. Marshall didn't look god awful and yeah with a little more time this year maybe he would be better. Yeah I've wanted the freshmen to play more but sometimes they look like freshmen out there. We knew this season was called Growing Pains but I feel like the final episode is titled Shyatt Knows Best!
LanderPoke
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I think if he would simply have played the right players the right amount of minutes we could have 3-4 more victories and probably our conference record should be 7-5 not 5-7. But it is what it is. Shyatt is a good coach and I'm glad he's here. I'm a fan and I'm allowed to second guess some of his decisions in a season when he's got a losing record.Cosmic Cowboy said:
Cosmic Cowboy
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That's totally why we have a board to do it too. I let my frustrations loose on here as well and I'm glad we have a forum for that. I think your probably right with the lineup and W's thing to an extent. Still I'm sure Shyatt has his reasons to why he's done some of this stuff. I'm pretty high off the team right now after that last game and maybe I shouldn't be cause USU didn't look like world beaters, but goddamn man am I happy to have Shyatt & company on the sidelines. It's just a standup crew filled with standup dudes. From the Head Coach to the players I really like the feel of this team. I LOVE that we always improve to that final tip off!!! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:LanderPoke said:
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calpoke25
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LanderPoke said:
I'll add onto this, as I agree with Landerpoke. I don't think you can really judge Marshall based on 4 minutes of garbage time. I thought he looked OK and if he knocks in one or two of the 3s he attempted I imagine we'd be having a different conversation. Given his lack of PT up until now I don't think it's fair to judge him on those 4 minutes. At this point his goose is cooked as it is I suppose. I still believe that had he been given more of a chance on the court he could have developed into a much bigger player for us. And I agree with Landerpoke that with different lineups we could very easily have an additional couple of wins this year.
NowherePoke
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LanderPoke said:
His JC stats were right in line with Sobey, Martinez, and Cruz. Personally I thought he would be a rotation guy (8/9 guy) this year and then possibly grow into a starter role as a Senior, similar to Sobey's career arc. I was wrong on that though.
In terms of getting a big man, you have to remember that Marshall was signed in the early signing period as a replacement to Eric Turner who had decommited (and is now at a JUCO). This was before Tyrell Williams washed out. At that time Shyatt already had Moemeka and Naughton signed in that class along with 3 freshman (Williams, Barnes, Herndon) in the frontcourt. Of course, we know now that the young bigs were not able to contribute this year and we lost Williams, but at that time it wouldn't have made sense to add yet another big to the scholarship total.
The bigger issue was signing Dalton in the spring. I love Dalton's effort, but by that point Shyatt knew that he didn't have a single big on the roster capable of defending/rebounding at a MWC level in 15-16. Dalton was never going to be able to fix that issue. It was, and remains, a strange signing considering the roster needs.
NowherePoke
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calpoke25 said:
I have been critical of Shyatt's lineups as well, but to me the missed opportunity is more minutes for James and Naughton. They are the cornerstones of this program moving forward and as bad as we are, I would like to see them get more minutes. On top of that, I still think our best lineup has a perimeter grouping of Adams/James/JMac. I really want Trey to succeed and I have nothing against Lieberman, but James really stands out when he is on the court on both sides. He makes mistakes (I saw get absolutely lost on D twice against USU), but he also makes plays.
Cosmic Cowboy
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I only judge one thing. He hasn't forced his way onto the court for whatever reason under Shyatt. I've stated that it before and I'll stand by it. I still can't really see a scenario in which Mo Marshall is routinely better then even say Trey/Liebs in practice time and time again yet still won't get a lick of playing time. He's gotta be a liability in some fashion or another. That or off the court issues. Would he be better with more court time under his belt, I'd probably say yes most certainly. Could Shyatt afford to allow that? We don't really know. The Pokes have been in so many nail biters that yes Mo Marshall could cost us the game if he's not up snuff on either side of the ball.
Lets say he's an offense wiz or better then both TW3/Liebs. Ok well his defense is actually shittier then both those 2, which just wipes out his O production by giving up open look 3's or something similar. I highly doubt that he's a better defender then TW3/Liebs since if that were the case it seems almost positive under Shy's system you'd hit the court. If he is then is offense would have to be disruptive to the team. I'm not gonna judge him off of those 2 missed 3's or that garbage time. He didn't look that bad to me, but he just hasn't forced himself into Shy's plans plain and simple.
Lets say he's an offense wiz or better then both TW3/Liebs. Ok well his defense is actually shittier then both those 2, which just wipes out his O production by giving up open look 3's or something similar. I highly doubt that he's a better defender then TW3/Liebs since if that were the case it seems almost positive under Shy's system you'd hit the court. If he is then is offense would have to be disruptive to the team. I'm not gonna judge him off of those 2 missed 3's or that garbage time. He didn't look that bad to me, but he just hasn't forced himself into Shy's plans plain and simple.
calpoke25
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NowherePoke said:
Nice to see you posting again. Your input has been missed. I agree as well about Naughton and James. To me they should be starting at this point.
Cosmic Cowboy said:
Yes, we could afford to allow him some mistakes on the court. We are 5-7 and have been out of postseason play for quite some time. We lost to SJSU and Air Force for freaking sake. At this point it's MW Tourney or bust, this doesn't only apply to Marshall but James and Naughton as well.
wyokoke said:
That's a fair point, but again I will point out that we are in a position (and really were the entire season) where this season is a rebuilding/growing year (we weren't going to win any regular season championships), yet we still have potentially the best player in the conference in josh Adams. That always gives you a punchers chance in the tournament. We should be experimenting with every possible combination to try to find something to make a run in Vegas. Let Marshall play a game or two, if he bombs he bombs, but at least you gave it a try, especially considering he's a Jr. JC player.
i'd like to see more PT, so we can give him the true benefit of the doubt, it was good to see him come in for a bit on Saturday, but didn't do much, yes i agree Lieberman should be further along than he is, but at the end of that game that was our future lineup to see, hope things get better over time
