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AfiPoke

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this BYU thing is a bit confusing.



Dominant rumors I have seen so far:

1) BYU cajoled Benson to impose the 5 million rule.

2) ESPN worked with WAC/BYU on TV deal.

3) BYU pulled the ultimate 'fake' to increase it's own share of revenue.

4) BYU sent a message to the Big XII.

5) MWC and BYU engineered the whole thing to kill off the WAC and generate pub.

6) Houston may be getting a telegram in the near future.

7) More tectonic shifts are coming in the next two weeks (according to GP of TCU, considering the source, this should probably be moved into the fact column).

8) The move was forced by the leadership of the LDS church as a new form of 'sports missionary work'.



A few facts (or, at the very least, publicly acknowledged 'facts'):

1) BYU president voted in favor of including FSU and UNR.

2) CBS/Comcast have discussed contract issues with the MWC.

3) BYU did hold talks with the WAC.


What does it all mean? You got me! However, whatever the motivations may have been, it seems clear that BYU has done serious harm to itself. Either they were backstabbing SOBs or, they allowed themselves to be used as pawns. Both of which are unflattering for your normal institutions, much less a religious paragon like that in Provo.

Kudos to Hair and the Presidents for having a contingency plan in the works but, I think our conference has taken a hit on the viability of the league issue. Judging by the current media reports, it seems this drama has persuaded many of the talking heads that we are weaker as a conference now.

I guess I underestimated how significant a blow Utah's leaving was to the boys in blue. Insecurity is always a bad thing and when it affects decision making, things often fall apart.

In general, I am amazed at the lack of solidarity in the conference that 2010 has shown us. Call me provincial but I always felt it was an 'us' against 'them' argument with the BCS (at least until we were included).



Predictions for the upcoming year:

1) If BYU exits, I am convinced that Orrin Hatch will drop his objections to the BCS.

2) If rumors about ESPN being involved in negotiations with the WAC/BYU are true, some form of an investigation will occur. Likely by the conference or the NCAA and they will have an anti-trust flavor to them.

3) The Big XII is not going to 'bite' on BYU's gamble.

4) The MWC will have to continue getting it done on the field to maintain the respect we have earned.
 
AfiPoke said:
this BYU thing is a bit confusing.



Dominant rumors I have seen so far:

1) BYU cajoled Benson to impose the 5 million rule.

2) ESPN worked with WAC/BYU on TV deal.

3) BYU pulled the ultimate 'fake' to increase it's own share of revenue.

4) BYU sent a message to the Big XII.

5) MWC and BYU engineered the whole thing to kill off the WAC and generate pub.

6) Houston may be getting a telegram in the near future.

7) More tectonic shifts are coming in the next two weeks (according to GP of TCU, considering the source, this should probably be moved into the fact column).

8) The move was forced by the leadership of the LDS church as a new form of 'sports missionary work'.



A few facts (or, at the very least, publicly acknowledged 'facts'):

1) BYU president voted in favor of including FSU and UNR.

I believe this was a contingency plan they had in place should Fresno/UNR accept the invites they knew were possibly coming (even with BYU's "alleged" involvement w/ the WAC exit clause).

2) CBS/Comcast have discussed contract issues with the MWC.

This ought to be interesting. We are tied to the Mtn until 2014, correct?

3) BYU did hold talks with the WAC.

Scumbags. Backstabbers. Hippocrates. Despicable.

What does it all mean? You got me! However, whatever the motivations may have been, it seems clear that BYU has done serious harm to itself. Either they were backstabbing SOBs or, they allowed themselves to be used as pawns. Both of which are unflattering for your normal institutions, much less a religious paragon like that in Provo.

I don't see how they come out of this without a huge black eye. All the major media will be all over this and it will run rampant. Im ok with that.

Kudos to Hair and the Presidents for having a contingency plan in the works but, I think our conference has taken a hit on the viability of the league issue. Judging by the current media reports, it seems this drama has persuaded many of the talking heads that we are weaker as a conference now.

Im not sure if I agree that this was a contingency plan. I think the presidents saw how serious this independent talk became and decided to swing at the pitch. Luckily they connected. What I don't know is if this was an extra base hit. Seems possible that we may stretch this one out though. The fact that we connected though I think makes us look better to the AQ folk. I think this shows that we have faith in our WHOLE product, not just a few clubs. Especially with what UW, CSU, and SDSU have been doing with the FB programs recently.

I guess I underestimated how significant a blow Utah's leaving was to the boys in blue. Insecurity is always a bad thing and when it affects decision making, things often fall apart.

If you lived in SLC (like me), you would never have underestimated anything. You think our rivalry w/CSU is passionate? I've seen knives pulled at bars in both Provostan and SLC about this. Seriously. It's effing crazy.

In general, I am amazed at the lack of solidarity in the conference that 2010 has shown us. Call me provincial but I always felt it was an 'us' against 'them' argument with the BCS (at least until we were included).



Predictions for the upcoming year:

1) If BYU exits, I am convinced that Orrin Hatch will drop his objections to the BCS.

Agreed, along with Mark Shurtliff's (sp?)

2) If rumors about ESPN being involved in negotiations with the WAC/BYU are true, some form of an investigation will occur. Likely by the conference or the NCAA and they will have an anti-trust flavor to them.

I sure hope so. Being shady is one thing, breaking rules/laws is another.

3) The Big XII is not going to 'bite' on BYU's gamble.

4) The MWC will have to continue getting it done on the field to maintain the respect we have earned.

Agree 110%. I think the UNR/Fresno addition builds up the middle of our conference, and with what UW, CSU, and SDSU have done to improve their FB programs I find our conference very very strong. I dont see us with a stong top half and a weak bottom half anymore. I see us with a few strong teams and a majority of the rest of the conference being able to knock on the top 3's door any Saturday.

Just my .02 at this point. Who knows what the hell happens in the next 24-48 hours. :shock:
 
Great post. To sum up my thoughts & feelings...

Fuck You BYU. You get what you deserve you hypocritical unethical cocksuckers.
 

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