I can tell you now that the coaches (especially Bohl) doing the recruiting don't even look at the star rating. They would rather watch the player in action for themselves and then talk to the athlete and their family. These coaches have done enough recruiting for many years that they know who is a good recruit and who isn't. It is never a sure bet on any recruit.
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BeaverPoke
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I'm so sick of the "stars don't matter because what about Brian Hill".
He is 1! 1 player. We need 22. He's the exception. NOT the norm. What about the other 10 on the offense?
Wyo can not build a winner off of fcs level recruits. Simple as that. Don't believe me? Look at our records the last 15 seasons. Or keep living in a fantasy land where we get 11 Brian Hills and 11 Chris Prosinkskis to slip through the cracks.
He is 1! 1 player. We need 22. He's the exception. NOT the norm. What about the other 10 on the offense?
Wyo can not build a winner off of fcs level recruits. Simple as that. Don't believe me? Look at our records the last 15 seasons. Or keep living in a fantasy land where we get 11 Brian Hills and 11 Chris Prosinkskis to slip through the cracks.
On Rivals, we have 2 guys this year. 4 last year but it looks like Doddles isn't gonna ever play for us. DC's best class was 2011, with 8 3* guys, however Doctston, Miraldo Michael, Adam Pittser, or Kevin Robertson were half of those. Seems like he averaged around 4 guys, on Rivals anyway. Glenn's best was the 07 class, with 6. James Davis (did he ever play?), Knapton, Derick McMahen (who?), Mark Oliver, Stutz, and Anthony Wilson. Seems like he averaged around 1. So based on numbers, and a real small sample size, it seems like Bohl is about in line with Glenn as far as recruiting. Granted, on paper it really means nothings, and both got their 2* Brian Hills or John Fletchersragtimejoe1 said:
fishouttawater
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So we don't recruit anyone but three star players. We'll get the historical yearly average of five to six only to watch half of them leave for greener pastures. That will solve everything. Damn those two star guys. They aren't worth a lick. Just the lifeblood of the team. UWYO is not in the position to go out and recruit raw talent lIke we are Alabama or somebody. We have to recruit POTENTIAL. Doing so means we will almost always have more misses than hits. Of course, our ability to find the less heralded guy who recruiting services don't have on their radar is exactly what we have to do. Stars be damned.
fishouttawater
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We can offer all the three star recruits we want to. It doesn't mean that twenty-five of them will sign here every year. At some point, we've got to do the hard work of finding and developing the preponderance of two-to-no star recruits into ball players that can contribute on Saturdays.
Looking at this objectively, we're wringing our hands over 18 and 19 year-olds and have no idea how most of these kids are going to fill out by the time they are in their early twenties. If the coaches are worth their salt as scouts and if a kid works his craft in the program, there's no real reason why a good number of those two stars don't develop into monsters by their third year.
Bohl is gambling on his ability to squeeze water out of chalk. That's why we see 200 lbs defensive ends and 6'9" offensive tackles that weigh 260. All those three stars respectfully declined the UWYO offer, so he has to work with who ever he can convince to sign. He doesn't strike me as a dumby. He obviously knows most of those guys shouldn't be playing right now, but he has no alternative since he's in the process of restocking the cupboard.
Looking at this objectively, we're wringing our hands over 18 and 19 year-olds and have no idea how most of these kids are going to fill out by the time they are in their early twenties. If the coaches are worth their salt as scouts and if a kid works his craft in the program, there's no real reason why a good number of those two stars don't develop into monsters by their third year.
Bohl is gambling on his ability to squeeze water out of chalk. That's why we see 200 lbs defensive ends and 6'9" offensive tackles that weigh 260. All those three stars respectfully declined the UWYO offer, so he has to work with who ever he can convince to sign. He doesn't strike me as a dumby. He obviously knows most of those guys shouldn't be playing right now, but he has no alternative since he's in the process of restocking the cupboard.
BeaverPoke
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2 stars the are the lifeblood of wyo football? Yeah they are. You are right. And that is why we are a 2 win team!
We need 3 stars to be the the heart and soul if you want to win.
We need 3 stars to be the the heart and soul if you want to win.
kdwrightuwyo
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BeaverPoke said:
Then get out there with the coaches and convince them to play for us. The coaches are going after guys with more stars, but they aren't lining up for us yet. If we recruited nothing but 3+ stars like you are inferring, our recruiting class would be tiny.
fishouttawater
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For now they are. Two stars are the backbone of the team and will it will be that way for the next several seasons until we can demonstrate sustained success. With success comes the lattitude to be more selective on the recruiting trail. Right now we are litterally scratching and clawing to not only get guys here, but to keep them here too. You're dreaming if you think a team with our sparkling credentials is suddenly going to pull in 10 to 15 three stars a year right now just because we wish it to be. Take off the Brown and Gold goggles and think objectively about what the state of the program actually is. I'll tell you what though, Bohl is definitely recruiting the best two stars he can find...guys with big boy frames that will fill out and guys with long athletic frames. He's clearly targeting speed as well.
BackHarlowRoad
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It's better to consistently get 3 star recruits than 2 star recruits? No shit.
The argument you're ignoring, beav, is the one that says if we completely ignore all 2-star recruits and go all-in with the 3's, we'll end up with very little commits and will have to offer 0-1 stars or a bunch of walk-on worthy players just to fill the roster.
And if you think we aren't offering 3 star recruits, you're wrong. They just aren't accepting our offers. The first 2-3 offers we have in every position is a 3-star, even a 4-star.
The argument you're ignoring, beav, is the one that says if we completely ignore all 2-star recruits and go all-in with the 3's, we'll end up with very little commits and will have to offer 0-1 stars or a bunch of walk-on worthy players just to fill the roster.
And if you think we aren't offering 3 star recruits, you're wrong. They just aren't accepting our offers. The first 2-3 offers we have in every position is a 3-star, even a 4-star.
BeaverPoke said:
I suggest you put on your recruiting pants and go land us all of the three stars we've offered. Recruiting is much like dating.. unless there's mutual interest you will be going home alone.
kdwrightuwyo
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Beave, you act like Bohl is turning down 3+ star dudes in favor of 2 star...tell me one time when A 3+ star recruit told Bohl he wanted to be a Cowboy, and Bohl turned them down.
JimmyDimes
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I think when it comes to the Beav....whatever Bohl is doing is wrong.kdwrightuwyo said: