Fire Bohl!

[BeaverPoke]

The rationalizing here is getting really stupid.

So....some of you are thinking this...It's like the kid who thinks that getting turned down for the prom by the fat chick (i.e. North Dakota) in school is the same as getting turned down by the hot cheerleader (i.e. a big name P5 school like Ohio State), who everyone knows slept with the entire football team at least twice!!!

Sorry, guys, but North Dakota and Ohio State are not the same!!!!!! Yes, UND is Division I but it's I-AA/FCS not Division I-A/FBS!!! Get it thru your heads, guys, we got embarrassed by a shitty I-AA team.

Don't think anyone is saying that.

Since you're clearly referring to Kansas' post. What people fail to see is he said they are a differentclass of Division I, but still Division I.

To use your prom analogy, all of them are at the prom. People here act like UND wouldn't even be invited to the prom. They are there like everyone else, even if they aren't mingling with the cool kids.

I find it fucking hilarious that every time anyone refers to North Dakota or NDSU as D2 or D1-AA you always have to tell people how they are actually D1.

No fucking shit dude?

How have you not figured it out that no one cares? Secondly, how have you not figured out we love saying it mostly because you come running to the defense screaming "THEY ARE D1".

Like, it's so obvious I don't even mind letting the cat out of the bag, because I know you will try and correct us everytime.

But for what it's worth, FCS is and always will be D2.
Deal with it.

 

[joshvanklomp]

I find it fucking hilarious that every time anyone refers to North Dakota or NDSU as D2 or D1-AA you always have to tell people how they are actually D1.

No fucking shit dude?

How have you not figured it out that no one cares? Secondly, how have you not figured out we love saying it mostly because you come running to the defense screaming "THEY ARE D1".

Like, it's so obvious I don't even mind letting the cat out of the bag, because I know you will try and correct us everytime.

But for what it's worth, FCS is and always will be D2.
Deal with it.

Some people like to deal with facts.

North Dakota is not Division II. That is a fact.

I'm sorry if you are someone who likes to make up crap in order to make yourself feel better about your rants. Even if you don't care, doesn't make it any less of a fact.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I find it fucking hilarious that every time anyone refers to North Dakota or NDSU as D2 or D1-AA you always have to tell people how they are actually D1.

No fucking shit dude?

How have you not figured it out that no one cares? Secondly, how have you not figured out we love saying it mostly because you come running to the defense screaming "THEY ARE D1".

Like, it's so obvious I don't even mind letting the cat out of the bag, because I know you will try and correct us everytime.

But for what it's worth, FCS is and always will be D2.
Deal with it.

Some people like to deal with facts.

North Dakota is not Division II. That is a fact.

I'm sorry if you are someone who likes to make up crap in order to make yourself feel better about your rants. Even if you don't care, doesn't make it any less of a fact.

 

[NowherePoke]

You could make a case that this was the worst loss in "modern" history for Wyoming football (at least since the creation of the 1-AA division). Cal Poly was bad, but the game was close and Cal Poly was a more highly regarded program than UND.

Having said that, it is more debatable to describe the program itself as being at its lowest point. There are a number of reasons that we could point to that would suggest we are better off now than we were circa 00-02 (Vic). The ongoing investment in facilities and even operating budgets makes UW more competitive structurally with our conference peers than we were under Vic and while the last few years have been bad, they haven't been 5-29 bad.

On the flip side, during the 00-02 era we could comfort ourselves by blaming Vic. After all, before Vic the previous 6 coaches all finished their tenures at UW .500 or better. Now? Hard to say it is Bohl's fault. He is the 4th straight coach to have a losing record at UW.

That is why I have limited hope for the future and why in many ways I personally find this to be the nadir of Wyoming Football.

That doesn't mean all hope is lost. I remember the nadir of Wyoming Basketball in Schroyer's third season when we lost to Monmouth and Hampton on consecutive days in the AA. That was certainly the bottom, but it was less than 6 years ago and we have seen excitement come back to the hoops program. The decline of the program in Basketball lowered our ceiling in ways (particularly as it pertains to attendance which has never rebounded at a level commensurate with the rebound in performance), but it didn't kill it. Hopefully Football has a rebirth somewhere down the road as well.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

You could make a case that this was the worst loss in "modern" history for Wyoming football (at least since the creation of the 1-AA division). Cal Poly was bad, but the game was close and Cal Poly was a more highly regarded program than UND.

Having said that, it is more debatable to describe the program itself as being at its lowest point. There are a number of reasons that we could point to that would suggest we are better off now than we were circa 00-02 (Vic). The ongoing investment in facilities and even operating budgets makes UW more competitive structurally with our conference peers than we were under Vic and while the last few years have been bad, they haven't been 5-29 bad.

On the flip side, during the 00-02 era we could comfort ourselves by blaming Vic. After all, before Vic the previous 6 coaches all finished their tenures at UW .500 or better. Now? Hard to say it is Bohl's fault. He is the 4th straight coach to have a losing record at UW.

That is why I have limited hope for the future and why in many ways I personally find this to be the nadir of Wyoming Football.

That doesn't mean all hope is lost. I remember the nadir of Wyoming Basketball in Schroyer's third season when we lost to Monmouth and Hampton on consecutive days in the AA. That was certainly the bottom, but it was less than 6 years ago and we have seen excitement come back to the hoops program. The decline of the program in Basketball lowered our ceiling in ways (particularly as it pertains to attendance which has never rebounded at a level commensurate with the rebound in performance), but it didn't kill it. Hopefully Football has a rebirth somewhere down the road as well.

I maintain that starting with the 2018 season we'll be one of the best teams in the Mountain West -- and Craig Bohl and his staff will be at the helm.

 

[BeaverPoke]

You could make a case that this was the worst loss in "modern" history for Wyoming football (at least since the creation of the 1-AA division). Cal Poly was bad, but the game was close and Cal Poly was a more highly regarded program than UND.

Having said that, it is more debatable to describe the program itself as being at its lowest point. There are a number of reasons that we could point to that would suggest we are better off now than we were circa 00-02 (Vic). The ongoing investment in facilities and even operating budgets makes UW more competitive structurally with our conference peers than we were under Vic and while the last few years have been bad, they haven't been 5-29 bad.

On the flip side, during the 00-02 era we could comfort ourselves by blaming Vic. After all, before Vic the previous 6 coaches all finished their tenures at UW .500 or better. Now? Hard to say it is Bohl's fault. He is the 4th straight coach to have a losing record at UW.

That is why I have limited hope for the future and why in many ways I personally find this to be the nadir of Wyoming Football.

That doesn't mean all hope is lost. I remember the nadir of Wyoming Basketball in Schroyer's third season when we lost to Monmouth and Hampton on consecutive days in the AA. That was certainly the bottom, but it was less than 6 years ago and we have seen excitement come back to the hoops program. The decline of the program in Basketball lowered our ceiling in ways (particularly as it pertains to attendance which has never rebounded at a level commensurate with the rebound in performance), but it didn't kill it. Hopefully Football has a rebirth somewhere down the road as well.

I maintain that starting with the 2018 season we'll be one of the best teams in the Mountain West -- and Craig Bohl and his staff will be at the helm.

You also believe in a bunch of conspiracy theories. So, that's not a good sign for the Pokes.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

You could make a case that this was the worst loss in "modern" history for Wyoming football (at least since the creation of the 1-AA division). Cal Poly was bad, but the game was close and Cal Poly was a more highly regarded program than UND.

Having said that, it is more debatable to describe the program itself as being at its lowest point. There are a number of reasons that we could point to that would suggest we are better off now than we were circa 00-02 (Vic). The ongoing investment in facilities and even operating budgets makes UW more competitive structurally with our conference peers than we were under Vic and while the last few years have been bad, they haven't been 5-29 bad.

On the flip side, during the 00-02 era we could comfort ourselves by blaming Vic. After all, before Vic the previous 6 coaches all finished their tenures at UW .500 or better. Now? Hard to say it is Bohl's fault. He is the 4th straight coach to have a losing record at UW.

That is why I have limited hope for the future and why in many ways I personally find this to be the nadir of Wyoming Football.

That doesn't mean all hope is lost. I remember the nadir of Wyoming Basketball in Schroyer's third season when we lost to Monmouth and Hampton on consecutive days in the AA. That was certainly the bottom, but it was less than 6 years ago and we have seen excitement come back to the hoops program. The decline of the program in Basketball lowered our ceiling in ways (particularly as it pertains to attendance which has never rebounded at a level commensurate with the rebound in performance), but it didn't kill it. Hopefully Football has a rebirth somewhere down the road as well.

I maintain that starting with the 2018 season we'll be one of the best teams in the Mountain West -- and Craig Bohl and his staff will be at the helm.

You also believe in a bunch of conspiracy theories. So, that's not a good sign for the Pokes.

Other than what you're reading...I'll ignore your response.

 

[yopaulie]

Think of it this way. RS and GR played the trona bowl every year in class 4A highest class you can be in HS ball in Wyo. Now because of "size " difference GR is relocated to class 3A. Were they not or are they still not talented enough to battle RS who is a complete Class above them?

Mr. Kansas, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

A high school football example is not a comparable analogy. You don't recruit in the same way, kind of dealt your hand in HS. For the sake of argument though since GR's population decline in the HS they are no longer competitive with 4A schools. They are hardly competitive with the Torrington's, Cody's, and Douglas High's of the State. If you want to use a HS football example it would be a 4A school losing to a 3A school (still a poor analogy). FBS schools should have a higher quality athlete than FCS, more resources to develop players, higher paid coaches, and a larger pool of scholarship players. That is why it is a rare occurrence.

I can see an upset were a top playoff team could upset a shitty FBS school. I just don't believe ND is that good of a program. I believe the difference between FCS and FBS is large.

A lot of circular arguments on the thread here. You can state this was a very bad loss, and have everyone including me agree. But you basically call Kansas an idiot, when you are the one that doesn't have facts on your side. That bugs me.

You state that you believe the difference between FCS and FBS is large, but the facts don't necessarily agree with you. You need to realize "FBS" includes schools ranging from Ohio State and Oregon down to Eastern Michigan and Army. The difference between the top and bottom FBS schools is far larger than the gap between most G5 schools and FCS. Statistical evidence puts the top FCS conference (MVFC) as equal or better than the Sun Belt, for example. Yes, FBS teams should absolutely and usually do beat FCS teams, and often blow them out. But if you are in the lower half of a G5 conference, it is arrogance talking that FCS victories should be automatic for a rebuilding G5 program like ours.

Let's look at the top 10 FCS schools last week:

#4 Sam Houston 45-59 loss to Texas Tech (P5-Big12)
#5 Illinois St 14-31 (P5 - Big10)
#7 Eastern Washington 42-61 loss to last years national runner up Oregon (Pac12)
#10 South Dakota St W41-38 win over Kansas (P5 - Big12)

So of 4 games against P5 schools, 3 FCS schools scored over 30 points, and had one victory of a P5 school. Clearly not equal, but competitive (especially on the offensive side of the ball). You can note that only P5 schools scheduled games against the very top FCS schools. The MAC in general avoids these type of match ups as much as possible.

Other notables - Fordham (FCS) beat Army, Portland St (FCS) over Washington State (FBS) (Portland was 3-9 last year), Southern Illinois missed a two pt conversion for a win over Indiana (lost 47-48).

My summary: Kansas' analogy is actually correct when you compare upper FCS to lower G5. It's not an excuse. The UND game was a very bad loss, our offense was shockingly poor, our defense much too young, and it was quite a rude awakening for a confident Bohl. But the sky is not falling, and the fire Bohl stuff is crazy fan talk.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

I find it fucking hilarious that every time anyone refers to North Dakota or NDSU as D2 or D1-AA you always have to tell people how they are actually D1.

No fucking shit dude?

How have you not figured it out that no one cares? Secondly, how have you not figured out we love saying it mostly because you come running to the defense screaming "THEY ARE D1".

Like, it's so obvious I don't even mind letting the cat out of the bag, because I know you will try and correct us everytime.

But for what it's worth, FCS is and always will be D2.
Deal with it.

Some people like to deal with facts.

North Dakota is not Division II. That is a fact.

I'm sorry if you are someone who likes to make up crap in order to make yourself feel better about your rants. Even if you don't care, doesn't make it any less of a fact.

They may not be in Division 2, but they ARE in the "2nd division" and that too is a fact.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

Think of it this way. RS and GR played the trona bowl every year in class 4A highest class you can be in HS ball in Wyo. Now because of "size " difference GR is relocated to class 3A. Were they not or are they still not talented enough to battle RS who is a complete Class above them?

Mr. Kansas, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

A high school football example is not a comparable analogy. You don't recruit in the same way, kind of dealt your hand in HS. For the sake of argument though since GR's population decline in the HS they are no longer competitive with 4A schools. They are hardly competitive with the Torrington's, Cody's, and Douglas High's of the State. If you want to use a HS football example it would be a 4A school losing to a 3A school (still a poor analogy). FBS schools should have a higher quality athlete than FCS, more resources to develop players, higher paid coaches, and a larger pool of scholarship players. That is why it is a rare occurrence.

I can see an upset were a top playoff team could upset a shitty FBS school. I just don't believe ND is that good of a program. I believe the difference between FCS and FBS is large.

A lot of circular arguments on the thread here. You can state this was a very bad loss, and have everyone including me agree. But you basically call Kansas an idiot, when you are the one that doesn't have facts on your side. That bugs me.

You state that you believe the difference between FCS and FBS is large, but the facts don't necessarily agree with you. You need to realize "FBS" includes schools ranging from Ohio State and Oregon down to Eastern Michigan and Army. The difference between the top and bottom FBS schools is far larger than the gap between most G5 schools and FCS. Statistical evidence puts the top FCS conference (MVFC) as equal or better than the Sun Belt, for example. Yes, FBS teams should absolutely and usually do beat FCS teams, and often blow them out. But if you are in the lower half of a G5 conference, it is arrogance talking that FCS victories should be automatic for a rebuilding G5 program like ours.

Let's look at the top 10 FCS schools last week:

#4 Sam Houston 45-59 loss to Texas Tech (P5-Big12)
#5 Illinois St 14-31 (P5 - Big10)
#7 Eastern Washington 42-61 loss to last years national runner up Oregon (Pac12)
#10 South Dakota St W41-38 win over Kansas (P5 - Big12)

So of 4 games against P5 schools, 3 FCS schools scored over 30 points, and had one victory of a P5 school. Clearly not equal, but competitive (especially on the offensive side of the ball). You can note that only P5 schools scheduled games against the very top FCS schools. The MAC in general avoids these type of match ups as much as possible.

Other notables - Fordham (FCS) beat Army, Portland St (FCS) over Washington State (FBS) (Portland was 3-9 last year), Southern Illinois missed a two pt conversion for a win over Indiana (lost 47-48).

My summary: Kansas' analogy is actually correct when you compare upper FCS to lower G5. It's not an excuse. The UND game was a very bad loss, our offense was shockingly poor, our defense much too young, and it was quite a rude awakening for a confident Bohl. But the sky is not falling, and the fire Bohl stuff is crazy fan talk.

Ahhh...sanity shows its face.

 

[yopaulie]

Since Bohl was hired, we've heard nothing but rave reviews and backslaps for everyone. People have been using it as a testament to Burman's genius. Bohl has talked the talk and proclaimed Cowboy Tough once again rides the high plains. The national media has applauded and written articles that rival dime novels about Tom Horn. Quite simply, he is a no miss hire and will lead WYO to the promise land. It was an infectious disease that we couldn't wait to catch.

Then Saturday happened and the Pokes weren't just beat, they were made to grovel for any ounce of remaining dignity. They weren't hardened Wyoming Rangers hunting down bad guys. They were the town drunk being instructed to the location of the saloon. Our battle hardened general and his officers were more like drummer boys trying to reform the cadence after a cannon ball lands in the middle of them.

Quite simply, it was the very first sign of weakness from Bohl. It was the first hint of the possibilty that Bohl could fail. Of course, it has always been a possibility, but everyone ignored that until they couldn't.

I think it scared people and thus the reason for the reaction.

Shock at this loss is definitely reasonable, but I think should be put in context. Bohl and staff did two things much differently than a lot of rebuilding programs, that may have been mistakes in the short term, but don't actually have much bearing to whether Bohl succeeds when it matters.

1. Bohl and staff definitely handled the DC upper classmen differently - seemed like a cleaning house approach. Maybe a mistake, or maybe the attitudes in many were just poor. But that hurts the early transition more than most.

2. Bohl compounded his mistake by playing up the readiness of all these freshmen for game one. That hurts now.

Both these mistakes won't impact years 3-5 of the program build. Proof will come when Bohl's recruits are upper classmen, the future freshmen provide the depth. On offense, I am excited about the thought of Cummings paired with the new lineman recruits. The receiver and RB classes seem absolutely excellent. Only question mark post Josh Allen seems to be QB. The defense is a bit more of a question mark - I think Bohl needs to make better hits, but has a good history of doing so (not sure Stanard survives).

Always darkest before the dawn.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Think of it this way. RS and GR played the trona bowl every year in class 4A highest class you can be in HS ball in Wyo. Now because of "size " difference GR is relocated to class 3A. Were they not or are they still not talented enough to battle RS who is a complete Class above them?

Mr. Kansas, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

A high school football example is not a comparable analogy. You don't recruit in the same way, kind of dealt your hand in HS. For the sake of argument though since GR's population decline in the HS they are no longer competitive with 4A schools. They are hardly competitive with the Torrington's, Cody's, and Douglas High's of the State. If you want to use a HS football example it would be a 4A school losing to a 3A school (still a poor analogy). FBS schools should have a higher quality athlete than FCS, more resources to develop players, higher paid coaches, and a larger pool of scholarship players. That is why it is a rare occurrence.

I can see an upset were a top playoff team could upset a shitty FBS school. I just don't believe ND is that good of a program. I believe the difference between FCS and FBS is large.

PS: From what I remember of the Citadel game is a W, and a team looking ahead to the CSU game in which we nearly won (CSU went on to win 10 games and the conference). I suppose Bohl was maybe looking forward to the big game vs EMU.

Wow... Thanks, I guess. I have used many examples to prove my point. Whether you want to accept it or not is on you. I see a few other on here see where I'm coming from aswell.
The one that added to my point was spot on, talking about how there really isn't much of a difference between FBS (I'd say) 80-128 ranking and the FCS 1-however deep you wanna go. I'd say middle of the pack.
Not to mention the fact that 3-9 Port St took it to P5 Wazzu. So. Dakota St. took it to P5 Kansas...And FCS top 5 EWU was able to make a name for themselves against FBS top 5 Oregon. Why was that even a game? Seriously? Separate Divisions, less money for their program at EWU, less scholly's. All these things that were thrown at me as reasons we don't even compare to ND. EWU even lost their All Star QB to Oregon in the off season. So how did they even make it a game?
Because the try of a team. The want of a team far outweighs their relegated division, hence why I used not only the Rock Springs/ Green River example, but also my own personal coaching example. Or maybe you didn't read it. Just go back a page. Because it shows that it doesn't matter how many players the lower team has, or that they may be physically smaller. If they go in wanting the game, they can take down the Big guys! I can give examples all over the place...
Here's a biblical one! David and Goliath. A giant who made an entire army fear. And a Shepard boy with a stone takes him out...Confidence does wonders. Over confidence can make you lose your focus and look down on your opponent.
When you can answer any of these questions or disprove any of these facts hit me up. Or when ever you actually have some facts promoting your arguement, throw it back at me.
But to just call me idiotic and basically a moron... You better have something other than your butt hurt feelings and wounded pride to throw at me. Other people get it. Obviously I'm not just spouting stupid talk, so why don't you try using a new perspective a maybe seeing something a little differently. Or you can just continue to show you intolerance and immaturity.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

FFS people.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

FBS schools have a record of 2028-423-18 (.824) vs. FCS schools.

In 1982 and again in 2012, I-A/FBS schools recorded 96 victories over I-AA/FCS opponents. That mark is the single-season record for the most FBS vs. FCS victories. Followed by 2013 (95 victories), 2011 (91 victories), and 2009 (89 victories).

In 2008, FBS schools were 85-2 (.977) vs. FCS opponents; the best single-season FBS over FCS win percentage. Followed by 2005 (.963) and 2009 (.947).

In 2012, Oklahoma St. defeated Savannah St. (GA) 84-0 – setting a FBS record for the largest margin of victory over a FCS school.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Not including this year...

Team Win vs FCS Last FCS loss
Air Force (CO) 1 -
Boise St. (ID) 0.895 1996
Colorado St. 0.867 2012
Fresno St. (CA) 0.879 1984
Hawaii 0.952 2000
Nevada 0.824 1994
Nevada-Las Vegas 0.6 2012
New Mexico 0.813 2011
San Diego St. (CA) 0.786 2013
San Jose St. (CA) 0.889 2010
Utah St. 0.778 2000
Wyoming 0.947 2012

 

[ragtimejoe1]

You know it is bad when you've devolved to the point that your fan base is trying to pound the FCS' chest in order to make our program look better.

Holy shit. I never thought I'd see the day.

 

[BJC]

You know it is bad when you've devolved to the point that your fan base is trying to pound the FCS' chest in order to make our program look better.

Holy shit. I never thought I'd see the day.

exactly

 

[ragtimejoe1]

.And FCS top 5 EWU was able to make a name for themselves against FBS top 5 Oregon. Why was that even a game? Seriously? Separate Divisions, less money for their program at EWU, less scholly's. All these things that were thrown at me as reasons we don't even compare to ND. EWU even lost their All Star QB to Oregon in the off season. So how did they even make it a game?

The game was never really in question. Oregon was breaking in a few new players particularly in secondary and along O-line. They were keeping things fairly vanilla and not really opening up on EWU. Oregon's secondary struggled at times allowing for big plays. Likely will be one of the worst games Oregon plays all year and they still put up over 700 yards of offense. Oregon vs. EWU at the end of the season with a PAC12 championship on the line is completely different than opening weekend of working out a few kinks.

This is the equivalent of the relevancy of pre-season NFL football as an indication of strength of two teams.

 

[TSpoke]

I've sat back and watched this and other threads waiting to figure out exactly how I feel about everything but I think I need to get my thoughts out there.

No question this was the worst lost in the "history"(maybe just modern history my memeory doesn't go back past the 80's) of cowboy football. Are we at the lowest point in program history? Time will tell but I don't think so. Watching that game on saturday I could see us not winning a game this year which would put us up with VK worst seasons. We have no business losing to a FCS team. I feel like some of the same people saying not to worry about this game were the same ones who piled on DC for losing to Cal POly(I don't know that for a fact cuz Im not going to search through years old posts). At least the Cal Poly game came down to the end of the game and we were on our 3rd string qb. This game we got our asses kicked from the beginning of the game.

I am not advocating firing Bohl because that is just studpid. Even if I didn't believe in him I would have to give him 4-5 years. And I think Bohl can be successful here. But watching the game on Saturday I was reminded about my concerns I have had when we first hired this staff. Namely I am not sure the power run game can work well here(I had come around on this one but my concerns came back watching the game) and I really don't like the Tampa 2 defense. I beleive our issues are more personel than scheme but my concerns on the schemes have returned.

Our offense isn't that young really and they looked awful. I thought our o-line would be better and they absolutely sucked. Thats gonna be something hard to overcome if they don't pull it together. The team I saw on Saturday reminded me of a Joe Glenn team without a decent defense. That is a scary thought.

This is a wierd position for me cuz I have always been a "Sunshine Pumper". I have season tickets so I have put my support behind the team and I will purchase them again even if we go 0-12 but I am not sure how many more saturday's I will spend wallowing in misery sitting at the WAR if things don't improve. I've already decided I am not going over this weekend. My wife is a Minnesota Gopher fan(a cowboy first and foremost but coming from MN the gophs are a close second) and she never gets to see them live so we are gonna go down and watch them beat up on the Rams. THat will give the cowboys a couple weeks to show me something and I will be back in the stands for the next game. Lets be honest after missing one game I'll be wanting to get back to Laramie no matter the outcome. I think this team can turn it around but they need to prove it.

Sorry for the long post but had to get my thoughts out on the keyboard before they drove me crazy.

GO COWBOYS GO BOHL

 

[JimmyDimes]

You know it is bad when you've devolved to the point that your fan base is trying to pound the FCS' chest in order to make our program look better.

Holy shit. I never thought I'd see the day.

fan base or fan? Some people just take different angles.....some do defend or make sense of the loss and some to criticize or harp on the loss.