I am curious what everyones expectations every year considering the football program are. What needs to be done or what should happen that would make you say, "its been a good year!" If DC reads this board, I would love to hear his answer on this!! I would love to hear his expectations and goals that would have him be happy with the way the season went.
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Expectations for the Pokes every year?
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OrediggerPoke
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Excpectations in the CURRENT MWC. It is clear that the MWC of today is much weaker than it was during the past Glenn and Koenning years. Therefore, my expectations are:
1) NEVER lose to an FCS team.
2) at least 6-7 wins every year
4) Bowl wins every other year.
5) MWC Champions at least once every 3-4 years (with most years competing at the top of the league)
1) NEVER lose to an FCS team.
2) at least 6-7 wins every year
4) Bowl wins every other year.
5) MWC Champions at least once every 3-4 years (with most years competing at the top of the league)
AfiPoke
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Tough question. I can't really see a baseline to judge things off of. We have been oscillating pretty badly and a lack of consistency really screws up the whole 'goal setting' thing. Obviously, we all want to see progress but, the Jekyll and Hyde transitions we have had these past few seasons make predictions nearly impossible.
I think I would have to see some consistency before I would attempt at posting my year to year wishlist.
One thing I really want to see is a re-evaluation of the Defensive scheme. Bash Glenn and Co. all you want for their offensive woes but, they did a wonderful job at fitting their scheme to the 'tools in the bag'. I liked what they did with the Linebackers and Line back then and it was clear to all they had looked at what they had and chose the proper set. Those were some tough D's. With this crew it has looked like all round peg/square hole kind of shiznit. Maybe they need to step back and come up with something new? Mid-season shifts aren't popular but, would be much preferable to what has been going on.
Of course, this would all be much easier if I could watch an f'ing game! RIP the mtn network, you are missed!
I think I would have to see some consistency before I would attempt at posting my year to year wishlist.
One thing I really want to see is a re-evaluation of the Defensive scheme. Bash Glenn and Co. all you want for their offensive woes but, they did a wonderful job at fitting their scheme to the 'tools in the bag'. I liked what they did with the Linebackers and Line back then and it was clear to all they had looked at what they had and chose the proper set. Those were some tough D's. With this crew it has looked like all round peg/square hole kind of shiznit. Maybe they need to step back and come up with something new? Mid-season shifts aren't popular but, would be much preferable to what has been going on.
Of course, this would all be much easier if I could watch an f'ing game! RIP the mtn network, you are missed!
fromolwyoming
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And smashmouth defenses with high-flying offenses. Like a combination of the 1996 offense (if the o-line could actually protect Smith and get some push, we would be pretty close) combined with the 2006 defense (top 10 defense that punched offenses in the face).Brew_Poke said:
OrediggerPoke
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Wasn't the point to post reasonable expectations? Of course we would all love to be national champs and play in BCS bowls every year.
I think my expectations are high but obtainable.
I think my expectations are high but obtainable.
NowherePoke
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Reasonable expectations for Wyoming Football:
1. .500 in conference play every year (or close, maybe a 3-5 rebuilding type year, etc.).
2. Bowl eligible
3. No losses to FCS opponents
4. Compete for a conference title at least once every 4 years. Not necessarily win it, but be in the running at least occasionally.
1. .500 in conference play every year (or close, maybe a 3-5 rebuilding type year, etc.).
2. Bowl eligible
3. No losses to FCS opponents
4. Compete for a conference title at least once every 4 years. Not necessarily win it, but be in the running at least occasionally.
thirtyseven
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NowherePoke said:
Additions
4. Be competitive against top 25 programs
5. Continue to schedule top BCS programs at home
If the pokes were able to accomplish this each year of course our expectations would go up but I think this is a great starting point.
The reason that I started this thread was to find out what some of our fans thought and how our expectations as a fan base are. After Saturday's win in Idaho, on this board, twitter, and GWG, there were some comments I didn't understand. Some that I saw were..."great win Pokes!", "that took a lot of heart to pull out!", "super job 'boys!!", and even a "this could be a season changer!"
Really??? Seriously???? It was I-D-A-FREAKIN-H-O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GAWD!!!!!
Some of the posts above were close to how I feel, but some of them... wow! At least .500 every year? 3-4 wins on down years? Don't lose to FCS teams? (that shouldn't even be a thought let alone an expectation!)
If we expect to be mediocre.... that is the MOST WE WILL EVER BE! If we are happy and satisfied with being .500, then I guess I have been following the wrong team for the last 47 yrs! GAWD I HATE BEING MEDIOCRE!!
Back in 1988, Coach Roach was quoted as saying that he would be disappointed if the pokes didn't go undefeated. Those were his expectations. We went 11-1 during the regular season and lost the Holiday Bowl to Oklahoma St. A couple weeks after the bowl game, Coach was asked if the season was a success. He said "it was ok.... but not what I wanted." That is the exact mindset we need in Laramie!! That is something this university hasn't had for a very long time. If DC went 11-2, he would expect to be voted in as Governor!
I have a question.... is this team loaded with the talent to be a top 25 team, up and down the line-up? Could a bunch of our kids be starting or playing alot at Nebraska, Miss St, Clemson, or Baylor... to name a few?? If you say yes.... then I would ask.. why did we lose to Toledo at home, Cal Poly at home, and barely beat Idaho on the road? Wouldn't make sense because those teams are top 25 type teams. If you say no..... my question would then be, why not??? WHY THE F*** NOT??????? If you tell me, "it's hard to recruit to Laramie" (spoken with a dumbass tone), to that I say "horse***t"!!!! Just another excuse! We need a guy that can sell.... that can sell water to a drowning man! What would really be scary is if that guy really believed in what he was selling. It's not that hard to recruit to Wyoming.... it's not. Just have to know how to sell it!
I think it is time to change the mindset of everyone involved in Wyoming Cowboy Football! That goes for coaches, staff, administration, and fans around the state. Mediocrity will ABSOLUTELY NOT be excepted!! Being excited about beating a 0-3 Idaho team just doesn't cut it.... let alone losing to a FCS team.... good gawd!! If you think that I am being unrealistic.... then you continue to be average... to be mediocre... to keep losing. How pathetic!! Things have to change in Laramie.... not later but NOW!!!! Unexceptable!!!
Really??? Seriously???? It was I-D-A-FREAKIN-H-O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GAWD!!!!!
Some of the posts above were close to how I feel, but some of them... wow! At least .500 every year? 3-4 wins on down years? Don't lose to FCS teams? (that shouldn't even be a thought let alone an expectation!)
If we expect to be mediocre.... that is the MOST WE WILL EVER BE! If we are happy and satisfied with being .500, then I guess I have been following the wrong team for the last 47 yrs! GAWD I HATE BEING MEDIOCRE!!
Back in 1988, Coach Roach was quoted as saying that he would be disappointed if the pokes didn't go undefeated. Those were his expectations. We went 11-1 during the regular season and lost the Holiday Bowl to Oklahoma St. A couple weeks after the bowl game, Coach was asked if the season was a success. He said "it was ok.... but not what I wanted." That is the exact mindset we need in Laramie!! That is something this university hasn't had for a very long time. If DC went 11-2, he would expect to be voted in as Governor!
I have a question.... is this team loaded with the talent to be a top 25 team, up and down the line-up? Could a bunch of our kids be starting or playing alot at Nebraska, Miss St, Clemson, or Baylor... to name a few?? If you say yes.... then I would ask.. why did we lose to Toledo at home, Cal Poly at home, and barely beat Idaho on the road? Wouldn't make sense because those teams are top 25 type teams. If you say no..... my question would then be, why not??? WHY THE F*** NOT??????? If you tell me, "it's hard to recruit to Laramie" (spoken with a dumbass tone), to that I say "horse***t"!!!! Just another excuse! We need a guy that can sell.... that can sell water to a drowning man! What would really be scary is if that guy really believed in what he was selling. It's not that hard to recruit to Wyoming.... it's not. Just have to know how to sell it!
I think it is time to change the mindset of everyone involved in Wyoming Cowboy Football! That goes for coaches, staff, administration, and fans around the state. Mediocrity will ABSOLUTELY NOT be excepted!! Being excited about beating a 0-3 Idaho team just doesn't cut it.... let alone losing to a FCS team.... good gawd!! If you think that I am being unrealistic.... then you continue to be average... to be mediocre... to keep losing. How pathetic!! Things have to change in Laramie.... not later but NOW!!!! Unexceptable!!!
kansasCowboy
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It has nothing to do with being excited about beating an 0-3 Idaho team. It had everything to do with getting our FIRST win of the year. There is a difference. This team, surprisingly is young. Soph QB Smith, Fresh RB's Wick, May, Three Soph WR's Rufran,Claiborne and Norman, One JR WR Herron one SR WR McNeill. Our line took a hit on injuries, which makes us inexperienced there. Our D-Line coming in to the season we knew were going to struggle due to lack of inexperience. LB's Actually, could be doing a better job, And then we have a Soph Safety and a Soph. CB.
When the majority of your team out on the field is young, we will have growing pains. And we have. Our schedule was not as weak as most would like to think. Texas is NO pushover and they are top 25. Toledo was 9-4 last year with practically everyone returning. Cal Poly I really thought we'd pull out, but with SEVERAL key players out, we struggled. Idaho was going to be a dog fight. Neither team wanted another loss, and on top of it, it was still a road game. We played great offensively with Key players back, we struggled on Defense still. I don't think it has to do with mediocrity. Yes, 1-3 doesn't look to great, but when you're 5 points away from being 3-1, it's not the end of the world.
This season is nowhere near over yet, Nevada will be extremely tough, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't pull it off and we are sitting at 1-4. Again, the record looks bad, but I'm thinking it may be close. AFA I see us able to win 2-4. FSU probably another tough road loss, but closer than most think, 2-5, Boise St. Honestly, with this being at home, and with what I've seen of BSU this year I think we have a legit shot, either 2-6 or 3-5. CSU at home, I think this will be a break out game for our D and our O will continue to dominate. either 3-6 or 4-5. At UNM, They are playing better, but with the lack of play making ability on Offense and their D being EXTREMELY suspect we win, either 4-6 or 5-5. At UNLV, exactly the same as UNM, either 5-6 or 6-5. SDSU will be tough, with getting them at home I think we win in a shootout. Either 6-6 or 7-5.
And with this team being young like it is, and barring no more injuries, I can honestly say going 6-6 or 7-5 would be very good. Count it as mediocrity or whatever, but if the team doesn't quit after starting the season 1-4 and pulls out a .500 record or a winning record. I call that COWBOY TOUGH! And we will be in better standing for the upcoming season.
When the majority of your team out on the field is young, we will have growing pains. And we have. Our schedule was not as weak as most would like to think. Texas is NO pushover and they are top 25. Toledo was 9-4 last year with practically everyone returning. Cal Poly I really thought we'd pull out, but with SEVERAL key players out, we struggled. Idaho was going to be a dog fight. Neither team wanted another loss, and on top of it, it was still a road game. We played great offensively with Key players back, we struggled on Defense still. I don't think it has to do with mediocrity. Yes, 1-3 doesn't look to great, but when you're 5 points away from being 3-1, it's not the end of the world.
This season is nowhere near over yet, Nevada will be extremely tough, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't pull it off and we are sitting at 1-4. Again, the record looks bad, but I'm thinking it may be close. AFA I see us able to win 2-4. FSU probably another tough road loss, but closer than most think, 2-5, Boise St. Honestly, with this being at home, and with what I've seen of BSU this year I think we have a legit shot, either 2-6 or 3-5. CSU at home, I think this will be a break out game for our D and our O will continue to dominate. either 3-6 or 4-5. At UNM, They are playing better, but with the lack of play making ability on Offense and their D being EXTREMELY suspect we win, either 4-6 or 5-5. At UNLV, exactly the same as UNM, either 5-6 or 6-5. SDSU will be tough, with getting them at home I think we win in a shootout. Either 6-6 or 7-5.
And with this team being young like it is, and barring no more injuries, I can honestly say going 6-6 or 7-5 would be very good. Count it as mediocrity or whatever, but if the team doesn't quit after starting the season 1-4 and pulls out a .500 record or a winning record. I call that COWBOY TOUGH! And we will be in better standing for the upcoming season.
J-Rod
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I think both perspectives are valid in this case.....its not even October yet, hard to claim the season is over just yet. Is there a possibility Wyoming turns it around? Yeah, of course....they did it last year. But one cannot ignore the possibility of things getting ugly too. To the objective viewer, losses to Toledo, Cal Poly, and a close win over a notoriously known FBS doormat in Idaho does not necessarily suggest 6-6 or 7-5 is imminent. It is not all that crazy to think Wyoming finishes this season 2-10 (last win being CSU). The defense is horrendous....no getting around that. The O-line isn't doing Brett any favors, and the run game is horrific....and contrary to popular belief....Brett Smith is human (crazy, I know). Having to play superman every week can take a big toll on a 19-20 year old college kid. I think its reasonable to say the chances of Wyoming finishing with 3-4 wins is much greater than them finishing with 6-7. But talk is cheap....we'll know by December.
As for the original topic....expectations are all based in the mind of each individual fan. But Wyo hasn't had back-to-back winning seasons since 1998. That's a long run....and this years team appears poised to keep that trend moving. So the numbers don't suggest outside expectations are all that high every year. But to ask what is Wyoming football capable overall? I don't know. Some characterize UW as an underachiever, others see them as an overachiever. Sometimes one coach can change things. Utah State has blossomed all around under Gary Anderson. The Aggies were a fuckin' joke only 6 years ago. Now they're as legit as ever. The question is, CAN THEY SUSTAIN IT???? What if Anderson leaves? Can they survive the turnover? That was the question with Wyoming from the late 80's to mid 90's. They didn't survive it, and are still recovering. This job isn't as easy as some make it out to be. An incredible amount of luck is involved....
As for the original topic....expectations are all based in the mind of each individual fan. But Wyo hasn't had back-to-back winning seasons since 1998. That's a long run....and this years team appears poised to keep that trend moving. So the numbers don't suggest outside expectations are all that high every year. But to ask what is Wyoming football capable overall? I don't know. Some characterize UW as an underachiever, others see them as an overachiever. Sometimes one coach can change things. Utah State has blossomed all around under Gary Anderson. The Aggies were a fuckin' joke only 6 years ago. Now they're as legit as ever. The question is, CAN THEY SUSTAIN IT???? What if Anderson leaves? Can they survive the turnover? That was the question with Wyoming from the late 80's to mid 90's. They didn't survive it, and are still recovering. This job isn't as easy as some make it out to be. An incredible amount of luck is involved....
fromolwyoming
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23-3 wasn't it?Brew_Poke said:
