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[WestWYOPoke]

Beav,
I think the two of you are saying the same thing.

IMO, Our fanbase has 3 settings:

1) Diehard (see most of us on WyoNation) - will make almost every game or will try their best to make one despite living 1000+ miles away.
2) Casual (see 70% of Wyo fans) - live 2-4 hours away and MIGHT make 1 or 2 games this year.
3) What have you done for me lately - "Oh we're in a bowl game, maybe, I'll go...oh it's the New Mexico Bowl, never mind, i'll go next time."

Also, people pointing out facts is not the same as making excuses. Nowhere in his post does McPeachy say "hey our fans are great, give them a break". In fact, on the contrary, I think he is pointing out the lack of excitement in our fan base and pointing our reasons he isn't surprised by the lack of attendance. If anything the 2 of you are saying the same story in different dialects.

 

[McPeachy]

This thread / topic gets my vote for worst of the year. Sorry if I offended anyone by saying that.

15K for a Friday night - early start game in November, to watch a losing team, is quite remarkable given all the circumstances (some stated previously).

Not making excuses - as I was there...but...

1. It was raining all game - cold rain. Not that southern states warm rain, the ice kind.
2. 6 o'clock kick off - may as well rule out ALL Nine-to-Fivers. Especially outside of Laramie.
3. Game was on ESPN2, and not blacked out in Laramie / Cheyenne.
4. Losing record against an opponent most could give a damn about.

Etc.

That said, I was surprised by the poor student turn out. If anyone reading this wants to point at a decrease attendance demographic, pick on the students.

Bullshit. This is EXACTLY what is wrong with Wyo!

Anyone else brings 15K to a game on a Friday night and it is a fucking joke, but when Wyo does it we get a special asterisk? Enough of the "It's not that bad FOR WYOMING" bullshit. It was just bad!

If you have to make excuses for the 9 to 5 people, Laramie and Cheyenne people then we have a seriously bad fan support issue. "But it's not that bad for Wyoming!"

15 K is just bad. No more of the excuses saying it's not. Just because those are valid reasons, does not mean we get a free pass to have low attendance. Wyoming just doesn't care about football.
Simply, our fan base sucks and I know that is going to piss off a lot of people, but it's the truth.

I am so sick of hearing the same excuses.

And the fucktarded thread continues.

So what you are saying, is that if a person was in attendance, then he /she gets a free pass. If not, no matter the circumstance, no free pass...so STFU?

If Jesus Christ was making an appearance at half time, I am not sure the attendance would have been any better.

 

[wyopig]

The attendance on Friday was horrible, but it's justifiable. Saying that Wyoming has bad fans because we couldn't get 5% of our state's total population to take the day off work and drive through poor conditions to sit for 3.5 hours in those same poor conditions, at night, to watch a team with a losing record when they could safely watch that very game in their living room. Tickets are $40 each, not to mention the gas and likely hotel room that someone would need if they travelled from a town further than Cheyenne.

There's my unfortunate justification for a poorly attended game on Friday. Saying that Wyoming has shitty fans is completely untrue, and everyone in the MWC knows it. Like the Marines, Wyoming fans are the few and the proud, and we're about as proud as any fanbase you'll find.

Having said that, I've been pissed about basketball attendance for years, but 100% of that blame goes on the students. Alumni are back. Students who choose to do laundry instead of going to a basketball game on a Saturday should have their fucking registration revoked.


EDIT: If you want to see shitty fans, look to Ft. Collins. Their team is supposedly awesome this year, but Hughes Stadium was just a little over half full (despite their attendance claims) for the game on Saturday with beautiful weather. The jerk off beat writer that covers CSU for the Coloradoan wrote an article the week of the Wyoming game indicating that the Border War sellout had nothing to do with the fact that CSU was playing Wyoming and all to do with the Ram Euphoria throughout the state of Colorado. Nice fucking article dickwad. The Rainbow Warriors showed him on Saturday that Wyoming is worth at least 17,000 fans in that shithole.

 

[LanderPoke]

This thread / topic gets my vote for worst of the year. Sorry if I offended anyone by saying that.

15K for a Friday night - early start game in November, to watch a losing team, is quite remarkable given all the circumstances (some stated previously).

Not making excuses - as I was there...but...

1. It was raining all game - cold rain. Not that southern states warm rain, the ice kind.
2. 6 o'clock kick off - may as well rule out ALL Nine-to-Fivers. Especially outside of Laramie.
3. Game was on ESPN2, and not blacked out in Laramie / Cheyenne.
4. Losing record against an opponent most could give a damn about.

Etc.

That said, I was surprised by the poor student turn out. If anyone reading this wants to point at a decrease attendance demographic, pick on the students.

Bullshit. This is EXACTLY what is wrong with Wyo!

Anyone else brings 15K to a game on a Friday night and it is a fucking joke, but when Wyo does it we get a special asterisk? Enough of the "It's not that bad FOR WYOMING" bullshit. It was just bad!

If you have to make excuses for the 9 to 5 people, Laramie and Cheyenne people then we have a seriously bad fan support issue. "But it's not that bad for Wyoming!"

15 K is just bad. No more of the excuses saying it's not. Just because those are valid reasons, does not mean we get a free pass to have low attendance. Wyoming just doesn't care about football.
Simply, our fan base sucks and I know that is going to piss off a lot of people, but it's the truth.

I am so sick of hearing the same excuses.

These excuses are legitimate because Wyoming's situation is completely unique. No other university is in such a sparsely populated area. What do you not understand about that?

 

[kansasCowboy]

This thread / topic gets my vote for worst of the year. Sorry if I offended anyone by saying that.

15K for a Friday night - early start game in November, to watch a losing team, is quite remarkable given all the circumstances (some stated previously).

Not making excuses - as I was there...but...

1. It was raining all game - cold rain. Not that southern states warm rain, the ice kind.
2. 6 o'clock kick off - may as well rule out ALL Nine-to-Fivers. Especially outside of Laramie.
3. Game was on ESPN2, and not blacked out in Laramie / Cheyenne.
4. Losing record against an opponent most could give a damn about.

Etc.

That said, I was surprised by the poor student turn out. If anyone reading this wants to point at a decrease attendance demographic, pick on the students.

Bullshit. This is EXACTLY what is wrong with Wyo!

Anyone else brings 15K to a game on a Friday night and it is a fucking joke, but when Wyo does it we get a special asterisk? Enough of the "It's not that bad FOR WYOMING" bullshit. It was just bad!

If you have to make excuses for the 9 to 5 people, Laramie and Cheyenne people then we have a seriously bad fan support issue. "But it's not that bad for Wyoming!"

15 K is just bad. No more of the excuses saying it's not. Just because those are valid reasons, does not mean we get a free pass to have low attendance. Wyoming just doesn't care about football.
Simply, our fan base sucks and I know that is going to piss off a lot of people, but it's the truth.

I am so sick of hearing the same excuses.

These excuses are legitimate because Wyoming's situation is completely unique. No other university is in such a sparsely populated area. What do you not understand about that?

Exactly. Name another school in a small community that doesn't have dense population ateast around it that doesn't have to share that fan base with other main fan bases to other schools? Hence, we have Dever and all of the I-25 stretch. But we share that with Colorado, CSU and AFA. And since we're the out of state team, I'm sure we're down in the total fans we pull from Colorado. That gives you Chyenne and Laramie. All of your other densely populated communities in WYO are well over 100 miles from Laramie... That makes a difference. Not to mention, we're not all on a solid budget that allows us to buy 80 to 120+ dollars in tickets and then travel, food and lodging expenses. For me to come to a game from Kansas is about 800.00+. That's enough for only one trip a year. And if they keep raising ticket prices like they have been I won't even be able to afford one game a year.
When I lived in RS it was 90.00 in tickets, about 75.00 for diesel, about 120.00 for breakfast, lunch, snacks at the game and then dinner. And then money for WYO apparel. So even then you're looking at 400.00 plus. It makes a difference.
If I just got off at 5:00 I'm definitely not making it to Laramie from RS for game time. And I'm sure there were several thousand fans on that boat.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Exactly. Name another school in a small community that doesn't have dense population ateast around it that doesn't have to share that fan base with other main fan bases to other schools? Hence, we have Dever and all of the I-25 stretch. But we share that with Colorado, CSU and AFA. And since we're the out of state team, I'm sure we're down in the total fans we pull from Colorado. That gives you Chyenne and Laramie. All of your other densely populated communities in WYO are well over 100 miles from Laramie... That makes a difference. Not to mention, we're not all on a solid budget that allows us to buy 80 to 120+ dollars in tickets and then travel, food and lodging expenses. For me to come to a game from Kansas is about 800.00+. That's enough for only one trip a year. And if they keep raising ticket prices like they have been I won't even be able to afford one game a year.
When I lived in RS it was 90.00 in tickets, about 75.00 for diesel, about 120.00 for breakfast, lunch, snacks at the game and then dinner. And then money for WYO apparel. So even then you're looking at 400.00 plus. It makes a difference.
If I just got off at 5:00 I'm definitely not making it to Laramie from RS for game time. And I'm sure there were several thousand fans on that boat.

Like I posted in another thread, even in 2011, with a decent team, we averaged somewhere around 15K for two November home games that kicked off at 12:00 on a Sat. Teams we played were TCU and UNM.

I don't think start time impacted it that much. Attendance was right in line for November attendance at WYO.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

If having a job that you can't afford to take days off of work for to watch a game isn't a good enough excuse, than living in Oregon isn't a good enough excuse either. Get your ass down here.

I agree with those putting it on the students. They don't have to travel, they get in for free, don't need a hotel/gas, more equipped to handle the cold weather (age).

Some of them have jobs that they are needed to be at during games, that's their only legitimate excuse.

 

[laxwyo]

Stop feeding the attention whore. Beaver is one step up from a troll. His posts and threads are all about directing attention to himself

 

[SnowyRange]

This is an angry thread.

It's not deniable that our football attendance is bad, often very bad, but there's no one explanation. It's a complicated and interrelated set of factors: low population, geographical realities, not really being a diehard football state, years of less-than-mediocrity, the aging of Wyoming's population, and perhaps a large, unobvious factor...that Wyoming has a remarkably low percentage of people born in the state. Other places with strong attendance don't labor under these conditions, and they are generally chock-full of people who have lived in the state their whole lives and formed hardcore allegiances at about age 6.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

that Wyoming has a remarkably low percentage of people born in the state. Other places with strong attendance don't labor under these conditions, and they are generally chock-full of people who have lived in the state their whole lives and formed hardcore allegiances at about age 6.

That is a good point and to add to that, many of our grads must move far away to get employment.

Good observation. There is also something about November; our attendance tanks even in years e are doing okay (i.e. 2011). Don't shoot me for this, but I wonder if we shouldn't schedule byu in November. I think there are 2 teams WYO fans will show up for in November: byu and CSU. If we alternated those and scheduled only 1 other home game that month, our average wouldn't be as bad.

 

[Douglaspoke]

At one point this Fall, the third largest membership in Cowboy Joe was Colorado. I mention this only to note the large alum base here in Colorado. I know that the AD has had significant upticks in marketing down here. We could do more.

Maybe we are #4 now and behind Natrona County, but at one of the tailgates on Friday night ( small sample agreed) the Colorado segment was well represented.

Those of you in Colorado...

The next Cowboys in Colorado Breakfast is December 6 at 8:00 a.m. at Johnson's Corner!

All of you from the motherland are most welcome to attend. In recent meetings we have had visitors from Casper and Douglas.

GO POKES

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Since we are all about solutions, here is one. We, the fans, organize a fund to hire our own agency to fully investigate athletic potential and shortcomings at WYO. The investigating body does not answer to the AD or the University but to the fans that hire it.

Think the AD would go for that?

 

[calpoke25]

that Wyoming has a remarkably low percentage of people born in the state. Other places with strong attendance don't labor under these conditions, and they are generally chock-full of people who have lived in the state their whole lives and formed hardcore allegiances at about age 6.

That is a good point and to add to that, many of our grads must move far away to get employment.

Good observation. There is also something about November; our attendance tanks even in years e are doing okay (i.e. 2011). Don't shoot me for this, but I wonder if we shouldn't schedule byu in November. I think there are 2 teams WYO fans will show up for in November: byu and CSU. If we alternated those and scheduled only 1 other home game that month, our average wouldn't be as bad.

2009 November home game for BYU 19,000
2007 November home game for BYU 19,800
2005 November home game for BYU 15,800
2001 November home game for BYU 15,000
1999 November home game for BYU 26,000

I guess maybe a few more for BYU? But I don't think Wyoming fans have come out for BYU really since the 90's. I think there was an abnomally in the WAC 16 schedule where BYU didn't visit Laramie for several years in the mid-late 90's, and the 99 game was the first time BYU had come in quite some time, plus it is the last time both teams could be considered good at the time.

 

[Wyokie]

that Wyoming has a remarkably low percentage of people born in the state. Other places with strong attendance don't labor under these conditions, and they are generally chock-full of people who have lived in the state their whole lives and formed hardcore allegiances at about age 6.

That is a good point and to add to that, many of our grads must move far away to get employment.

Good observation. There is also something about November; our attendance tanks even in years e are doing okay (i.e. 2011). Don't shoot me for this, but I wonder if we shouldn't schedule byu in November. I think there are 2 teams WYO fans will show up for in November: byu and CSU. If we alternated those and scheduled only 1 other home game that month, our average wouldn't be as bad.

2009 November home game for BYU 19,000
2007 November home game for BYU 19,800
2005 November home game for BYU 15,800
2001 November home game for BYU 15,000
1999 November home game for BYU 26,000

I guess maybe a few more for BYU? But I don't think Wyoming fans have come out for BYU really since the 90's. I think there was an abnomally in the WAC 16 schedule where BYU didn't visit Laramie for several years in the mid-late 90's, and the 99 game was the first time BYU had come in quite some time, plus it is the last time both teams could be considered good at the time.

That 1999 game was the very last time Wyoming beat a Top 25 team. Afterwards we went in the shitter head first.

 

[SnowyRange]

Since we are all about solutions, here is one. We, the fans, organize a fund to hire our own agency to fully investigate athletic potential and shortcomings at WYO. The investigating body does not answer to the AD or the University but to the fans that hire it.

Well, nothing's stopping you.

 

[Slow Hand]

The attendance issue is an easy fix. Better looking cheerleaders and less clothes on them. Walla!

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Since we are all about solutions, here is one. We, the fans, organize a fund to hire our own agency to fully investigate athletic potential and shortcomings at WYO. The investigating body does not answer to the AD or the University but to the fans that hire it.

Well, nothing's stopping you.

Question being would University and AD give 100% acess to everything needed? If not, you just pissed away a lot of money

So there is that stopping it, maybe.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Since we are all about solutions, here is one. We, the fans, organize a fund to hire our own agency to fully investigate athletic potential and shortcomings at WYO. The investigating body does not answer to the AD or the University but to the fans that hire it.

Think the AD would go for that?

Don't we already know our shortcomings? Sparse fan base, money, weather, recruiting.

I know you're just getting at the fact we should fire our AD, but it's deeper than that.

 

[calpoke25]

that Wyoming has a remarkably low percentage of people born in the state. Other places with strong attendance don't labor under these conditions, and they are generally chock-full of people who have lived in the state their whole lives and formed hardcore allegiances at about age 6.

That is a good point and to add to that, many of our grads must move far away to get employment.

Good observation. There is also something about November; our attendance tanks even in years e are doing okay (i.e. 2011). Don't shoot me for this, but I wonder if we shouldn't schedule byu in November. I think there are 2 teams WYO fans will show up for in November: byu and CSU. If we alternated those and scheduled only 1 other home game that month, our average wouldn't be as bad.

2009 November home game for BYU 19,000
2007 November home game for BYU 19,800
2005 November home game for BYU 15,800
2001 November home game for BYU 15,000
1999 November home game for BYU 26,000

I guess maybe a few more for BYU? But I don't think Wyoming fans have come out for BYU really since the 90's. I think there was an abnomally in the WAC 16 schedule where BYU didn't visit Laramie for several years in the mid-late 90's, and the 99 game was the first time BYU had come in quite some time, plus it is the last time both teams could be considered good at the time.

That 1999 game was the very last time Wyoming beat a Top 25 team. Afterwards we went in the shitter head first.

Incorrect, the last coach at Wyoming to score a victory over a top 25 team was none other than Mr Vic Koening who beat a top 20 Air Force team in 2002.

 

[Wyokie]

that Wyoming has a remarkably low percentage of people born in the state. Other places with strong attendance don't labor under these conditions, and they are generally chock-full of people who have lived in the state their whole lives and formed hardcore allegiances at about age 6.

That is a good point and to add to that, many of our grads must move far away to get employment.

Good observation. There is also something about November; our attendance tanks even in years e are doing okay (i.e. 2011). Don't shoot me for this, but I wonder if we shouldn't schedule byu in November. I think there are 2 teams WYO fans will show up for in November: byu and CSU. If we alternated those and scheduled only 1 other home game that month, our average wouldn't be as bad.

2009 November home game for BYU 19,000
2007 November home game for BYU 19,800
2005 November home game for BYU 15,800
2001 November home game for BYU 15,000
1999 November home game for BYU 26,000

I guess maybe a few more for BYU? But I don't think Wyoming fans have come out for BYU really since the 90's. I think there was an abnomally in the WAC 16 schedule where BYU didn't visit Laramie for several years in the mid-late 90's, and the 99 game was the first time BYU had come in quite some time, plus it is the last time both teams could be considered good at the time.

That 1999 game was the very last time Wyoming beat a Top 25 team. Afterwards we went in the shitter head first.

Incorrect, the last coach at Wyoming to score a victory over a top 25 team was none other than Mr Vic Koening who beat a top 20 Air Force team in 2002.

Oh, yeah...I forgot. My bad. That was also, his only MW conference win during his three years at UW.