Embarrassed

[Wyovanian]

This board looks like the Nebraska board after a close win or a loss.

Unfortunately that seems to be the norm with most passionate fans of any team. Quick, knee jerk reactions.


I gotta say, I definitely hate it too.

Guy, we lost to Texas State. Not AFA, not Nebraska, not Boise State, not Alabama, not Louisville, not CSU. We lost to TEXAS STATE. This is what indicates our problems still run deep and begin with coaching and leadership.

Nebraska almost lost to Wyoming(No offense...just stating that to most Nebraska fans, Wyoming is the same to Nebraska as Texas State is to Wyoming...)

Every teams has fans who think the sky is falling after 1 loss or a close win or whatever. It happens, and its absolutely absurd. 1 game doesn't dictate the season, it doesn't predict the future, and it surely doesn't mean the season is over.

Step back from the ledge, relax and be optimistic about the rest of the season. It's not the end of the world.


The last thing....Remember, these are college kids playing as student athletes. Keep it in perspective.


(Also, sorry if Im out of line, I know I'm an outsider...)

This isn't an isolated loss to an underdog under this coach. Look at last year- losses to Toledo and Cal-Poly (our first loss to a lower-division team ever), and barely pulling out an OT win against Idaho. Porous defense, questionable calls and leadership (sound familiar?) cost us games against Nevada and AFA. We beat both UNM and UNLV by only a single score. The year before that, we get boat-raced by Utah State and Temple, and barely beat FCS Weber State, Bowling Green, and a bad CSU team.

Whatever you may think- the MAC and Sunbelt are considered by the majority of MWC fans and the media to be a tier (or two) below us. Pointing to wins there is the same as claiming a "moral victory" in a loss to Nebraska. Losses to those conferences are indicative of a program playing well below its expectations by its peers and press.

Don't get me wrong for a moment- as I've stated before, I sincerely hope CDC and the Cowboys move on from this game and bring on at least a 7 win season. To be honest, however, anything less will, for me, be an indication that he's not up to the job of coaching what should be a conference-championship caliber MWC team, especially given the repetition of behavior and actions while hoping for different results.

 

[WyoAlum1987]

+1

 

[one-smooth-poke]

This board looks like the Nebraska board after a close win or a loss.

Unfortunately that seems to be the norm with most passionate fans of any team. Quick, knee jerk reactions.


I gotta say, I definitely hate it too.

Guy, we lost to Texas State. Not AFA, not Nebraska, not Boise State, not Alabama, not Louisville, not CSU. We lost to TEXAS STATE. This is what indicates our problems still run deep and begin with coaching and leadership.

And SDSU lost to E. Illinois.
And CSU lost to Colorado.
And UNM lost to UTSA.
And USU lost to Utah.

What's your point. You act as though we are supposed to go from a mid to low level team to WORLD BEATERS! We all wanted UW to win, but, we didn't. So get off your high horse and get over it and move on.

I may be speaking out of turn, but I don't give a shit about any other teams / schools and what they do or did. I only care about WYO, and my dollars only go to WYO. Lots of dollars too.

My bar is obviously set too high. I should be satisfied with 7 or 8 win seasons. And I shouldn't cheer too loud in the stands either. And I should only say positive things on these message boards. And...and...and...

You may not give a shit about these other teams, but your attitude every year shows unless there is success at WYO you apparently don't give a shit for UW either. I've complained on here. But some of you guys are CONSTANT complainers. It's all you do, it's all your known for. And that is sad.

+10

 

[Wyovanian]

This board looks like the Nebraska board after a close win or a loss.

Unfortunately that seems to be the norm with most passionate fans of any team. Quick, knee jerk reactions.


I gotta say, I definitely hate it too.

Guy, we lost to Texas State. Not AFA, not Nebraska, not Boise State, not Alabama, not Louisville, not CSU. We lost to TEXAS STATE. This is what indicates our problems still run deep and begin with coaching and leadership.

And SDSU lost to E. Illinois.
And CSU lost to Colorado.
And UNM lost to UTSA.
And USU lost to Utah.

What's your point. You act as though we are supposed to go from a mid to low level team to WORLD BEATERS! We all wanted UW to win, but, we didn't. So get off your high horse and get over it and move on.

I may be speaking out of turn, but I don't give a shit about any other teams / schools and what they do or did. I only care about WYO, and my dollars only go to WYO. Lots of dollars too.

My bar is obviously set too high. I should be satisfied with 7 or 8 win seasons. And I shouldn't cheer too loud in the stands either. And I should only say positive things on these message boards. And...and...and...

You may not give a shit about these other teams, but your attitude every year shows unless there is success at WYO you apparently don't give a shit for UW either. I've complained on here. But some of you guys are CONSTANT complainers. It's all you do, it's all your known for. And that is sad.

+10

-11

:brick:

 

[NowherePoke]

This board looks like the Nebraska board after a close win or a loss.

Unfortunately that seems to be the norm with most passionate fans of any team. Quick, knee jerk reactions.


I gotta say, I definitely hate it too.

Guy, we lost to Texas State. Not AFA, not Nebraska, not Boise State, not Alabama, not Louisville, not CSU. We lost to TEXAS STATE. This is what indicates our problems still run deep and begin with coaching and leadership.

And SDSU lost to E. Illinois.
And CSU lost to Colorado.
And UNM lost to UTSA.
And USU lost to Utah.

What's your point. You act as though we are supposed to go from a mid to low level team to WORLD BEATERS! We all wanted UW to win, but, we didn't. So get off your high horse and get over it and move on.

1. SDSU - SDSU sucks

2. CSU - CSU sucks

3. UNM - UNM sucks

4. USU - "One of these things is not like the other.."


The point is not that we have the worst loss in the MWC this year (lots and lots of competition for that honor, but SDSU gets the nod at this point), it's that we have apparently not really made any progress from a year ago. The MWC declined (especially AFA) and having Brett healthy for 12 games will make a difference, but we aren't appreciably a better team than a year ago up to this point.

6-6 and bowl eligibility is still within reach. UNM/CSU games are the key. But, I think we probably could have finished 6-6 a year ago if Smith was healthy and it looking like the statistical SOS will be much lower in 2013 than 2012. That's not progress IMO. It's not horrible, and we have all seen worse at UW, but it's not very impressive either.

 

[NowherePoke]

Historically, defense has been the mainstay for the Cowboys. We have had some true offensive powerhouses under Roach, Tiller and some others but the D has always been formidable. Now we put 11 bodies out there and hope to slow them down.....it has not been a priority under DC. I also am not a fan of his inability to make adjustments on game day.....how many times have we been in games at the half in recent years, only to be blown out in the second half....very frustrating! I too have been a Cowboy faithful for many years and have sat through miserable weather at the War many times cheering on the Pokes, travel when I can but have been infuriated by the Defenses fielded and the lack of game day coaching under CDC! I still have high hopes for this years edition of Cowboy football but will remain a CDC skeptic as long as we are embarrassed by anyone.....Texas State or Boise State! Understand that we are not going to win them all but there is no reason for us to not be competitive. At least Joe Glenn was someone you could like!

I am not sure that is really true (RE: WYO Defense). Tiller's teams struggled on D (his first 4 years we gave up an average of 29 ppg (his last 2 years were a little better at around 24 ppg), Vic's were awful and even going back to Kincaid and Roach they had teams that gave up nearly 30 ppg in an era where that wasn't as normal as it was now. Over the last 30 years we have only had a couple of really decent defenses. Glenn's defense in 2006 (21 ppg) and early 07 and Dimel's in 97/98 (19 ppg) were the only really solid defenses we have had. We have had far more success on offense (Roach, Tiller, DC, etc.) over that time frame. We might have good on D in the 50's/60's, but that was a different era.

 

[NowherePoke]

Historically, defense has been the mainstay for the Cowboys. We have had some true offensive powerhouses under Roach, Tiller and some others but the D has always been formidable. Now we put 11 bodies out there and hope to slow them down.....it has not been a priority under DC. I also am not a fan of his inability to make adjustments on game day.....how many times have we been in games at the half in recent years, only to be blown out in the second half....very frustrating! I too have been a Cowboy faithful for many years and have sat through miserable weather at the War many times cheering on the Pokes, travel when I can but have been infuriated by the Defenses fielded and the lack of game day coaching under CDC! I still have high hopes for this years edition of Cowboy football but will remain a CDC skeptic as long as we are embarrassed by anyone.....Texas State or Boise State! Understand that we are not going to win them all but there is no reason for us to not be competitive. At least Joe Glenn was someone you could like!

We had some embarrassing losses when Joe was at the helm as well. I think this thing is headed in the right direction. It was an off night, perpetuated by a 3 1/2 hour delay. We'll find out in a couple weeks if this was just a bad game.

I'm a fan of DC as was I a fan of Joe. No reason for me not to like a guy who stands up for his team.

Go Pokes!!

Glenn definitely had embarrassing losses. Pretty much every game in Provo and Fort Worth along with the ultimate humiliation with the finger game.

I like both DC and Glenn, but I am not happy with the competitive results delivered by either, if that makes sense.

 

[NowherePoke]

This board looks like the Nebraska board after a close win or a loss.

Unfortunately that seems to be the norm with most passionate fans of any team. Quick, knee jerk reactions.


I gotta say, I definitely hate it too.

Guy, we lost to Texas State. Not AFA, not Nebraska, not Boise State, not Alabama, not Louisville, not CSU. We lost to TEXAS STATE. This is what indicates our problems still run deep and begin with coaching and leadership.

Nebraska almost lost to Wyoming(No offense...just stating that to most Nebraska fans, Wyoming is the same to Nebraska as Texas State is to Wyoming...)

Every teams has fans who think the sky is falling after 1 loss or a close win or whatever. It happens, and its absolutely absurd. 1 game doesn't dictate the season, it doesn't predict the future, and it surely doesn't mean the season is over.

Step back from the ledge, relax and be optimistic about the rest of the season. It's not the end of the world.


The last thing....Remember, these are college kids playing as student athletes. Keep it in perspective.


(Also, sorry if Im out of line, I know I'm an outsider...)

The bolded part is probably true, they key difference is that Nebraska beat Wyoming. Wyoming was dominated by Texas State. If the Pokes had beaten Nebraska by 21, I daresay the Husker Board meltdown would have been visible from nearby galaxies and our reaction here and on GWG is not even the same ballpark.

 

[kansasCowboy]

You may not give a shit about these other teams, but your attitude every year shows unless there is success at WYO you apparently don't give a shit for UW either. I've complained on here. But some of you guys are CONSTANT complainers. It's all you do, it's all your known for. And that is sad.

I am biting my tongue on this one so I don't fly off the handle with my response - but do me a solid...

Don't lump me in with your - "you guys are CONSTANT complainers. It's all you do, it's all your known for. And that is sad."

That is complete and total bullshit. Hopefully I made that civil, and as clear as possible to you.

Bite your tongue, if that's what it takes. This just proves to me that you can dish out criticism, but you can't take it. Because, I recall you and several others that called me a "Sunshine Pumper" last year along with BeaverPoke. Do we recall? Get over yourself! I've read so much pessimistic crap from you over the years, that you and I have rarely agreed on anything. The truth is, if UW doesn't win 10 games a year, it's a let down and we hear complaining. And it ain't just from you. There are several others on here.

 

[YankPoke]

I think what people fail to realize is that Texas State is actually a pretty good team. They would probably challenge for the Mountain West title and in all honesty probably win it since they can play defense. Our conference sucks, have you not watched any of the other teams play? If we play well we will beat every single team in the conference, we just need to learn to get up for every game, and that comes from experience that a loss like this provides. We will still win 8 games this year and be right there in the end for the conference.

 

[Wyovanian]

I think what people fail to realize is that Texas State is actually a pretty good team. They would probably challenge for the Mountain West title and in all honesty probably win it since they can play defense. Our conference sucks, have you not watched any of the other teams play? If we play well we will beat every single team in the conference, we just need to learn to get up for every game, and that comes from experience that a loss like this provides. We will still win 8 games this year and be right there in the end for the conference.

That might well be the case, but how is it that a team playing FBS football for what, three seasons now, is as good or better than Wyoming after nearly a century of NCAA football? That's the problem. We shouldn't be sitting here watching Texas Teachers' College catch up to our football program, we should be showing them what FBS football looks like. Why is that not the case?

 

[Wyokie]

Why is that not the case?

'Cos idiots are running the asylum.

 

[NowherePoke]

I think what people fail to realize is that Texas State is actually a pretty good team. They would probably challenge for the Mountain West title and in all honesty probably win it since they can play defense. Our conference sucks, have you not watched any of the other teams play? If we play well we will beat every single team in the conference, we just need to learn to get up for every game, and that comes from experience that a loss like this provides. We will still win 8 games this year and be right there in the end for the conference.

The MWC is bad this year, no argument from me, and Texas State is a good football team (better than us anyway), but you are simply wrong about their potential finish in the MWC.

Comparative scores can only tell us so much, but here is a quick one for you:

Texas State Vs. Southern Miss - W 22-15 (Note: TxSt was outgained significantly in this game)

Boise State Vs. Southern MIss - W 60-7


Now, does that mean that BSU is 67 points better than the Pokes? Probably not, but it's not a good sign in regards to our ability to compete with the top teams in the league.

In fact, isn't that the most distressing thing about our current status (last year and into this year)? The MWC has declined dramatically from the group that Joe Glenn faced and ended up with 5-7, 4-8 type seasons and yet he were are still going 4-8.

 

[NowherePoke]

I think what people fail to realize is that Texas State is actually a pretty good team. They would probably challenge for the Mountain West title and in all honesty probably win it since they can play defense. Our conference sucks, have you not watched any of the other teams play? If we play well we will beat every single team in the conference, we just need to learn to get up for every game, and that comes from experience that a loss like this provides. We will still win 8 games this year and be right there in the end for the conference.

That might well be the case, but how is it that a team playing FBS football for what, three seasons now, is as good or better than Wyoming after nearly a century of NCAA football? That's the problem. We shouldn't be sitting here watching Texas Teachers' College catch up to our football program, we should be showing them what FBS football looks like. Why is that not the case?

It's worse than that. This was only their 16th game as an FBS member. Their previous victories over FBS schools:

2012: Idaho (1-11), NMSU (1-11), Houston (5-7)

2013: Southern Miss (0-4, on a 16 game losing streak), Wyoming


They are a good team, and Franchione is a proven quality coach, but from what I can tell:

-Texas State has not beaten a D-1A (FBS) team that finished the season with a winning record...ever.

-While it's not fair to compare when they were FCS, their only FBS (1-A) wins that I can find were over a 1-10 ULM team in 2000 and a 4-7 Rice team in 1986.

- Those 7 games (Idaho, NMSU, UH, USM, UW, ULM, and Rice) represent all of the wins their program has notched against FBS/D1-A/Major College competition in their entire history. The best win is probably a 5-7 Houston team, although possibly a 4-7 Rice team playing in the old SWC.



This does not bode well for Wyoming's chances the rest of the season.

 

[McPeachy]

Bite your tongue, if that's what it takes. This just proves to me that you can dish out criticism, but you can't take it. Because, I recall you and several others that called me a "Sunshine Pumper" last year along with BeaverPoke. Do we recall? Get over yourself! I've read so much pessimistic crap from you over the years, that you and I have rarely agreed on anything. The truth is, if UW doesn't win 10 games a year, it's a let down and we hear complaining. And it ain't just from you. There are several others on here.

I called you a sunshine pumper? I honestly don't think that happened...but I guess if you are holding onto a grudge, you may certainly know.

Get over myself? Because I have higher expectations than 7 or 8 wins against mediocre competition? I, again, am not satisfied as a booster / fan when that is the best we have seen in the last 15 years. Does it matter in the grand scheme of life? Not one bit. But this is a WYO sports message board - brought to you (and all of us) by some fine folks to facilitate some conversations about something we have in common.

I don't care if I agree with you or not (and you shouldn't either). Makes the world go round. You are not going to change my outlook on UW athletics, and I am not going to change yours either. So what. No reason to be nasty to me at this point, is there?

 

[Wyovanian]

I think what people fail to realize is that Texas State is actually a pretty good team. They would probably challenge for the Mountain West title and in all honesty probably win it since they can play defense. Our conference sucks, have you not watched any of the other teams play? If we play well we will beat every single team in the conference, we just need to learn to get up for every game, and that comes from experience that a loss like this provides. We will still win 8 games this year and be right there in the end for the conference.

That might well be the case, but how is it that a team playing FBS football for what, three seasons now, is as good or better than Wyoming after nearly a century of NCAA football? That's the problem. We shouldn't be sitting here watching Texas Teachers' College catch up to our football program, we should be showing them what FBS football looks like. Why is that not the case?

It's worse than that. This was only their 16th game as an FBS member. Their previous victories over FBS schools:

2012: Idaho (1-11), NMSU (1-11), Houston (5-7)

2013: Southern Miss (0-4, on a 16 game losing streak), Wyoming


They are a good team, and Franchione is a proven quality coach, but from what I can tell:

-Texas State has not beaten a D-1A (FBS) team that finished the season with a winning record...ever.

-While it's not fair to compare when they were FCS, their only FBS (1-A) wins that I can find were over a 1-10 ULM team in 2000 and a 4-7 Rice team in 1986.

- Those 7 games (Idaho, NMSU, UH, USM, UW, ULM, and Rice) represent all of the wins their program has notched against FBS/D1-A/Major College competition in their entire history. The best win is probably a 5-7 Houston team, although possibly a 4-7 Rice team playing in the old SWC.



This does not bode well for Wyoming's chances the rest of the season.

I predict "crickets" as this settles in and the reality takes some hold with the "good 'nuff" crowd...

 

[Cuttslam]

Thank you for the information . I was under the impression that Texas St was good. Its worse than I thought. Damn you!

 

[kansasCowboy]

Bite your tongue, if that's what it takes. This just proves to me that you can dish out criticism, but you can't take it. Because, I recall you and several others that called me a "Sunshine Pumper" last year along with BeaverPoke. Do we recall? Get over yourself! I've read so much pessimistic crap from you over the years, that you and I have rarely agreed on anything. The truth is, if UW doesn't win 10 games a year, it's a let down and we hear complaining. And it ain't just from you. There are several others on here.

I called you a sunshine pumper? I honestly don't think that happened...but I guess if you are holding onto a grudge, you may certainly know.

Get over myself? Because I have higher expectations than 7 or 8 wins against mediocre competition? I, again, am not satisfied as a booster / fan when that is the best we have seen in the last 15 years. Does it matter in the grand scheme of life? Not one bit. But this is a WYO sports message board - brought to you (and all of us) by some fine folks to facilitate some conversations about something we have in common.

I don't care if I agree with you or not (and you shouldn't either). Makes the world go round. You are not going to change my outlook on UW athletics, and I am not going to change yours either. So what. No reason to be nasty to me at this point, is there?

Yes, Sunshine Pumper. And it's not a grudge, I'm calling your attention to the fact that if you can dish it, then you can sure as he'll take it too. You act as though your expectations are higher and better than mine. Just to clarify, this is because me and several others get excited after a eight win season of mediocrity. We've had 9 losing seasons in the last 13 years. We had one .500 season in that time, that's three winning seasons in the last 13 years. So excuse me and several of us others for getting excited when we break the the losing trend...
Being excited and satisfied are two different concepts as well. Yes, I will be excited at an 8 + win season. You, you'll probably find something to complain on.
Now, am I satisfied with an 8 win season? Absolutely not! And you've already made your stance known.
So there you go, it seems (even though it doesn't matter) that we do have something in common. We just act differently getting there.
And spare us the whole booster talk, and how you pay out "A Lot", because you're not the only one... So do I.

 

[McPeachy]

Yes, Sunshine Pumper. And it's not a grudge, I'm calling your attention to the fact that if you can dish it, then you can sure as he'll take it too. You act as though your expectations are higher and better than mine. Just to clarify, this is because me and several others get excited after a eight win season of mediocrity. We've had 9 losing seasons in the last 13 years. We had one .500 season in that time, that's three winning seasons in the last 13 years. So excuse me and several of us others for getting excited when we break the the losing trend...
Being excited and satisfied are two different concepts as well. Yes, I will be excited at an 8 + win season. You, you'll probably find something to complain on.
Now, am I satisfied with an 8 win season? Absolutely not! And you've already made your stance known.
So there you go, it seems (even though it doesn't matter) that we do have something in common. We just act differently getting there.
And spare us the whole booster talk, and how you pay out "A Lot", because you're not the only one... So do I.

:roll:

Are you my new Wyonation message board mother? I have to follow your rules, think like you, type like you, and can't express my own opinion (if it differs from yours)? Unreal.

 

[wyopig]

Wyoming will play well this year more often than they'll play like they did at Texas State.