Edwards

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

This will be a hated post for sure, but here goes: Edwards has done a great job his first year. Nobody was giving him or this team any shot to look competitive. Everyone on this forum can attest that Wyoming has a chance in every game. I do love the up tempo offense and I think the defense is great with the old Shyatt players. Edwards big test is the next couple games and the MW Tourney. That will let us all know if he can really coach and deliver when it counts or on the big stage, just win.

And yes, I'm bi-polar, where is that Xanax?

Media projected us to be 10th. We will finish either 8th or 9th. I don't see how we are exceeding expectations, pretty much right where most people expected. The frustrating part is the close games we have lost with a dysfunctional lineup on the floor during crunch time. Get your best scorers on the floor the last 5-10 minutes of a game and ride them till they drop. We aren't Kentucky with a bench full of McDonalds All-Americans. Got to ride those that we know can play at this level. And maybe start a game with your best lineup so we don't have a slow start and have to fight back to get into the game.

I get tired of reading it, and I've said myself, but "the we were picked last and are exceeding expectations" line sounds like what a 4th grade teacher says to the fat kid who finishes last in the 50 yard dash. It should never be okay to be picked last, especially in a league as awful as this one is this year. We've seen the total collapse of Vegas and a much weaker than normal SDS team. We've lost a number of home games to less than stellar competition. Watching this team collapse in the second 1/2 of many games is heath schroyeresqe.

That said, I don't see how you can tell much about Edwards with this team. There really is'nt much there, talent wise. What disturbs me, however, is the team seems to be getting worse as the season progresses. Players that needed to develop, Naughton in particular, have basically been given up on.
Other players seem to have no discipline regarding shot selection or taking care of the ball. That's where I would expect coaching to play a prominent role.

Well said!!

Everyone wants to say that Shyatt inherited a real dumpster fire while Edwards is set up golden. I actually think Edwards is taking over with less (talent wise) than Shyatt did. Say what you want, Schroyer could recruit talent, he just couldnt coach to save his life. Edwards doesnt have a lot of great weapons outside of JJ and Adams (which, if memory serves, is an Edwards recruit, not Shyatt). Next season should be better as the recruits look to be improved compared to the last few years.

 

[stymeman]

WE aren't Kentucky, never have been never will be, so let's get players that wanna don the Brown and Gold and get something special built here

 

[joshvanklomp]

That said, I don't see how you can tell much about Edwards with this team. There really is'nt much there, talent wise.

Bingo.

I never really expected that much from this team this season, and I'm perfectly fine with giving Edwards a pass.

This will be a completely different team next year, with as many as four new rotation pieces on a team that only graduates one (Marshall not in rotation). In some instances, these will be significant upgrades. Guys who are currently getting minutes probably won't next year, as Edwards brings in players who are better fits for his style.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

That said, I don't see how you can tell much about Edwards with this team. There really is'nt much there, talent wise.

Bingo.

I never really expected that much from this team this season, and I'm perfectly fine with giving Edwards a pass.

This will be a completely different team next year, with as many as four new rotation pieces on a team that only graduates one (Marshall not in rotation). In some instances, these will be significant upgrades. Guys who are currently getting minutes probably won't next year, as Edwards brings in players who are better fits for his style.

I sincerely hope so. It is rage inducing as a fan to watch some of the current lineups he runs out there

 

[Adv8RU12]

Guys who are currently getting minutes probably won't next year, as Edwards brings in players who are better fits for his style.

Not sure about this. Take McMan. He is totally not in the Edwards mould. But look at the minutes he gets. I'm thinking loyalty and work ethic is what Edwards looks at most.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Not sure about this. Take McMan. He is totally not in the Edwards mould. But look at the minutes he gets. I'm thinking loyalty and work ethic is what Edwards looks at most.

Again, we have as many as four new rotation pieces next year (Redding, Jones, Mack, Maldonado) while only losing one. Someone will lose minutes.

This year is an outlier, because really no one is in his style. Only one player was recruited for his up-tempo system. Can't really take much from this year as to what he looks at when constructing a rotation.

 

[NowherePoke]

This will be a hated post for sure, but here goes: Edwards has done a great job his first year. Nobody was giving him or this team any shot to look competitive. Everyone on this forum can attest that Wyoming has a chance in every game. I do love the up tempo offense and I think the defense is great with the old Shyatt players. Edwards big test is the next couple games and the MW Tourney. That will let us all know if he can really coach and deliver when it counts or on the big stage, just win.

And yes, I'm bi-polar, where is that Xanax?

Media projected us to be 10th. We will finish either 8th or 9th. I don't see how we are exceeding expectations, pretty much right where most people expected. The frustrating part is the close games we have lost with a dysfunctional lineup on the floor during crunch time. Get your best scorers on the floor the last 5-10 minutes of a game and ride them till they drop. We aren't Kentucky with a bench full of McDonalds All-Americans. Got to ride those that we know can play at this level. And maybe start a game with your best lineup so we don't have a slow start and have to fight back to get into the game.

I get tired of reading it, and I've said myself, but "the we were picked last and are exceeding expectations" line sounds like what a 4th grade teacher says to the fat kid who finishes last in the 50 yard dash. It should never be okay to be picked last, especially in a league as awful as this one is this year. We've seen the total collapse of Vegas and a much weaker than normal SDS team. We've lost a number of home games to less than stellar competition. Watching this team collapse in the second 1/2 of many games is heath schroyeresqe.

That said, I don't see how you can tell much about Edwards with this team. There really is'nt much there, talent wise. What disturbs me, however, is the team seems to be getting worse as the season progresses. Players that needed to develop, Naughton in particular, have basically been given up on.
Other players seem to have no discipline regarding shot selection or taking care of the ball. That's where I would expect coaching to play a prominent role.

Well said!!

Everyone wants to say that Shyatt inherited a real dumpster fire while Edwards is set up golden. I actually think Edwards is taking over with less (talent wise) than Shyatt did. Say what you want, Schroyer could recruit talent, he just couldnt coach to save his life. Edwards doesnt have a lot of great weapons outside of JJ and Adams (which, if memory serves, is an Edwards recruit, not Shyatt). Next season should be better as the recruits look to be improved compared to the last few years.

I disagree with this strongly (in terms of the respective programs they are taking over). I am going to get into the specific roster and why I think the roster Edwards inherited is significantly better than what Shyatt inherited, but even beyond that this was a better program to inherit:

1. Continuity - Edwards was already on staff, the players knew him and he only had to deal with replacing one senior and one departing player (Washington). The result is a much easier transition than going from a program in disarray that finished the season with an interim coach and had to fill 6 scholarships in the spring after being hired. That's almost half the roster.

2. Facilities - We all have some complaints about the way seating priority is handled in the AA, but the current setup with locker rooms, etc. is much better and a positive impact for recruiting.

3. Fan Support - Fan support sucks this year of course, but if you look at what Edwards is inheriting in terms of fan support from the last few years versus what Shyatt took over it is dramatically improved.

4. Perception - Pokes were last in the NCAA tournament in 2015. We have been a winning program recently. We have a recent grad (coached by Edwards when he was an assistant here) that was a first round draft pick and is doing well in the NBA. This is all much better than what Shyatt took over.


There are other concepts as well, including a general negative culture around the team, etc., but on balance the overall program outside of just the roster is in much better shape now than what Shyatt took over.

Now, on to the roster, let's take a closer look at exactly what was left for Shyatt:

Leonard Washington - Stud. However, someone with significant issues off court and in terms of team chemistry.

Luke Martinez - Luke was a pretty good player for the Pokes until his incident, but nobody was impressed that he was going to be part of the roster. He was a JUCO transfer/shooter that was lightly recruited out of Williston State. Luke's pedigree prior to that season was no better than Morris Marshall coming into this season.

Paco Cruz - Cruz had played the previous year as a key contributor on a team that went 3-13 in MWC play. Good shooter, decent mid range game, limited athletically. Nobody was impressed that he was coming back.

Adam Waddell - 5th year senior, Wyoming kid. Adam had a nice career, but by his senior season, injuries had sapped him of any jumping ability. He was one of the least effective rebounders at the 5 that you will ever see (post injury anyway, not true before), but was great at drawing charges.

Jaydee Luster - Tiny PG, couldn't really shoot. Under Shyatt he turned into a defensive pest/menace, but was definitely not held in high regard by the fan base prior to Shyatt's hire.

Arthur Bouedo - Remember him? No? There is a reason.

Afam Muojeke - Best returning player, only he couldn't really play due to the knee injury.

Watsabaugh was a returning walk-on as well and that was it. There were only 5 healthy D-1 players left (Bouedo wasn't a D-1 player and Muojeke was injured) and of those 5, only Leonard Washington would have been coveted by other MWC teams. Other than Leonard, we have a couple of regional JUCO transfer wings that were Big Sky recruits, a 5'6" PG that couldn't shoot, and a senior big man that couldn't really jump anymore.


Shyatt took over a team that had gone 6-28 against MWC opponents over the past 2 seasons. So take that roster, and then subtract 4 of the top 5 scorers (Jackson, MBaye, Thiam, and Muojeke because of the injury) and that is what you are left with. Yet, he went 6-8 in MWC play, 20-11 overall. Those numbers don't tell the full tale, because the MWC was stronger back then. That team finished 91st in KenPom's ratings and somewhere in the 80's in RPI if I recall correctly. That is incredible with that roster.

That team bought into Shyatt's philosophy on defense and significantly out performed their talent level.

Edwards inherited almost a full roster, one in which he helped recruit, that has an incredible talent in Justin James, a full stable of big men, none of who are stiffs (although they do lack in bulk for sure), and a group of perimeter shooters (Gorski/JMac).

I would take the current roster over the 11-12 roster every day. 11-12 was Shyatt's best coaching job. We can only hope that 16-17 is Edwards' worst.

 

[bladerunnr]

This will be a hated post for sure, but here goes: Edwards has done a great job his first year. Nobody was giving him or this team any shot to look competitive. Everyone on this forum can attest that Wyoming has a chance in every game. I do love the up tempo offense and I think the defense is great with the old Shyatt players. Edwards big test is the next couple games and the MW Tourney. That will let us all know if he can really coach and deliver when it counts or on the big stage, just win.

And yes, I'm bi-polar, where is that Xanax?

Media projected us to be 10th. We will finish either 8th or 9th. I don't see how we are exceeding expectations, pretty much right where most people expected. The frustrating part is the close games we have lost with a dysfunctional lineup on the floor during crunch time. Get your best scorers on the floor the last 5-10 minutes of a game and ride them till they drop. We aren't Kentucky with a bench full of McDonalds All-Americans. Got to ride those that we know can play at this level. And maybe start a game with your best lineup so we don't have a slow start and have to fight back to get into the game.

I get tired of reading it, and I've said myself, but "the we were picked last and are exceeding expectations" line sounds like what a 4th grade teacher says to the fat kid who finishes last in the 50 yard dash. It should never be okay to be picked last, especially in a league as awful as this one is this year. We've seen the total collapse of Vegas and a much weaker than normal SDS team. We've lost a number of home games to less than stellar competition. Watching this team collapse in the second 1/2 of many games is heath schroyeresqe.

That said, I don't see how you can tell much about Edwards with this team. There really is'nt much there, talent wise. What disturbs me, however, is the team seems to be getting worse as the season progresses. Players that needed to develop, Naughton in particular, have basically been given up on.
Other players seem to have no discipline regarding shot selection or taking care of the ball. That's where I would expect coaching to play a prominent role.

Well said!!

Everyone wants to say that Shyatt inherited a real dumpster fire while Edwards is set up golden. I actually think Edwards is taking over with less (talent wise) than Shyatt did. Say what you want, Schroyer could recruit talent, he just couldnt coach to save his life. Edwards doesnt have a lot of great weapons outside of JJ and Adams (which, if memory serves, is an Edwards recruit, not Shyatt). Next season should be better as the recruits look to be improved compared to the last few years.

I disagree with this strongly (in terms of the respective programs they are taking over). I am going to get into the specific roster and why I think the roster Edwards inherited is significantly better than what Shyatt inherited, but even beyond that this was a better program to inherit:

1. Continuity - Edwards was already on staff, the players knew him and he only had to deal with replacing one senior and one departing player (Washington). The result is a much easier transition than going from a program in disarray that finished the season with an interim coach and had to fill 6 scholarships in the spring after being hired. That's almost half the roster.

2. Facilities - We all have some complaints about the way seating priority is handled in the AA, but the current setup with locker rooms, etc. is much better and a positive impact for recruiting.

3. Fan Support - Fan support sucks this year of course, but if you look at what Edwards is inheriting in terms of fan support from the last few years versus what Shyatt took over it is dramatically improved.

4. Perception - Pokes were last in the NCAA tournament in 2015. We have been a winning program recently. We have a recent grad (coached by Edwards when he was an assistant here) that was a first round draft pick and is doing well in the NBA. This is all much better than what Shyatt took over.


There are other concepts as well, including a general negative culture around the team, etc., but on balance the overall program outside of just the roster is in much better shape now than what Shyatt took over.

Now, on to the roster, let's take a closer look at exactly what was left for Shyatt:

Leonard Washington - Stud. However, someone with significant issues off court and in terms of team chemistry.

Luke Martinez - Luke was a pretty good player for the Pokes until his incident, but nobody was impressed that he was going to be part of the roster. He was a JUCO transfer/shooter that was lightly recruited out of Williston State. Luke's pedigree prior to that season was no better than Morris Marshall coming into this season.

Paco Cruz - Cruz had played the previous year as a key contributor on a team that went 3-13 in MWC play. Good shooter, decent mid range game, limited athletically. Nobody was impressed that he was coming back.

Adam Waddell - 5th year senior, Wyoming kid. Adam had a nice career, but by his senior season, injuries had sapped him of any jumping ability. He was one of the least effective rebounders at the 5 that you will ever see (post injury anyway, not true before), but was great at drawing charges.

Jaydee Luster - Tiny PG, couldn't really shoot. Under Shyatt he turned into a defensive pest/menace, but was definitely not held in high regard by the fan base prior to Shyatt's hire.

Arthur Bouedo - Remember him? No? There is a reason.

Afam Muojeke - Best returning player, only he couldn't really play due to the knee injury.

Watsabaugh was a returning walk-on as well and that was it. There were only 5 healthy D-1 players left (Bouedo wasn't a D-1 player and Muojeke was injured) and of those 5, only Leonard Washington would have been coveted by other MWC teams. Other than Leonard, we have a couple of regional JUCO transfer wings that were Big Sky recruits, a 5'6" PG that couldn't shoot, and a senior big man that couldn't really jump anymore.


Shyatt took over a team that had gone 6-28 against MWC opponents over the past 2 seasons. So take that roster, and then subtract 4 of the top 5 scorers (Jackson, MBaye, Thiam, and Muojeke because of the injury) and that is what you are left with. Yet, he went 6-8 in MWC play, 20-11 overall. Those numbers don't tell the full tale, because the MWC was stronger back then. That team finished 91st in KenPom's ratings and somewhere in the 80's in RPI if I recall correctly. That is incredible with that roster.

That team bought into Shyatt's philosophy on defense and significantly out performed their talent level.

Edwards inherited almost a full roster, one in which he helped recruit, that has an incredible talent in Justin James, a full stable of big men, none of who are stiffs (although they do lack in bulk for sure), and a group of perimeter shooters (Gorski/JMac).

I would take the current roster over the 11-12 roster every day. 11-12 was Shyatt's best coaching job. We can only hope that 16-17 is Edwards' worst.

That's a very good analysis. I would like to add one variable that no one seems to mention. When Shyatt took over, the shot clock was 35 seconds. No one was more effective at shortening a game than Shyatt. As a result, look at the scores of some of the games we played in conference. When the shot clock went to 30 seconds last year, I thought we really got exposed. Five seconds doesn't seem like much but the nature of the game is so much different now. I wonder if Shyatt's success would have happened with the 30 second clock.

My only disagreement with your post is the assessment of the big men. I would argue they are all stiffs. Herndon is a good player but he isn't a post player. Barnes and Naughton have proven to be non factors.

 

[NowherePoke]

This will be a hated post for sure, but here goes: Edwards has done a great job his first year. Nobody was giving him or this team any shot to look competitive. Everyone on this forum can attest that Wyoming has a chance in every game. I do love the up tempo offense and I think the defense is great with the old Shyatt players. Edwards big test is the next couple games and the MW Tourney. That will let us all know if he can really coach and deliver when it counts or on the big stage, just win.

And yes, I'm bi-polar, where is that Xanax?

Media projected us to be 10th. We will finish either 8th or 9th. I don't see how we are exceeding expectations, pretty much right where most people expected. The frustrating part is the close games we have lost with a dysfunctional lineup on the floor during crunch time. Get your best scorers on the floor the last 5-10 minutes of a game and ride them till they drop. We aren't Kentucky with a bench full of McDonalds All-Americans. Got to ride those that we know can play at this level. And maybe start a game with your best lineup so we don't have a slow start and have to fight back to get into the game.

I get tired of reading it, and I've said myself, but "the we were picked last and are exceeding expectations" line sounds like what a 4th grade teacher says to the fat kid who finishes last in the 50 yard dash. It should never be okay to be picked last, especially in a league as awful as this one is this year. We've seen the total collapse of Vegas and a much weaker than normal SDS team. We've lost a number of home games to less than stellar competition. Watching this team collapse in the second 1/2 of many games is heath schroyeresqe.

That said, I don't see how you can tell much about Edwards with this team. There really is'nt much there, talent wise. What disturbs me, however, is the team seems to be getting worse as the season progresses. Players that needed to develop, Naughton in particular, have basically been given up on.
Other players seem to have no discipline regarding shot selection or taking care of the ball. That's where I would expect coaching to play a prominent role.

Well said!!

Everyone wants to say that Shyatt inherited a real dumpster fire while Edwards is set up golden. I actually think Edwards is taking over with less (talent wise) than Shyatt did. Say what you want, Schroyer could recruit talent, he just couldnt coach to save his life. Edwards doesnt have a lot of great weapons outside of JJ and Adams (which, if memory serves, is an Edwards recruit, not Shyatt). Next season should be better as the recruits look to be improved compared to the last few years.

I disagree with this strongly (in terms of the respective programs they are taking over). I am going to get into the specific roster and why I think the roster Edwards inherited is significantly better than what Shyatt inherited, but even beyond that this was a better program to inherit:

1. Continuity - Edwards was already on staff, the players knew him and he only had to deal with replacing one senior and one departing player (Washington). The result is a much easier transition than going from a program in disarray that finished the season with an interim coach and had to fill 6 scholarships in the spring after being hired. That's almost half the roster.

2. Facilities - We all have some complaints about the way seating priority is handled in the AA, but the current setup with locker rooms, etc. is much better and a positive impact for recruiting.

3. Fan Support - Fan support sucks this year of course, but if you look at what Edwards is inheriting in terms of fan support from the last few years versus what Shyatt took over it is dramatically improved.

4. Perception - Pokes were last in the NCAA tournament in 2015. We have been a winning program recently. We have a recent grad (coached by Edwards when he was an assistant here) that was a first round draft pick and is doing well in the NBA. This is all much better than what Shyatt took over.


There are other concepts as well, including a general negative culture around the team, etc., but on balance the overall program outside of just the roster is in much better shape now than what Shyatt took over.

Now, on to the roster, let's take a closer look at exactly what was left for Shyatt:

Leonard Washington - Stud. However, someone with significant issues off court and in terms of team chemistry.

Luke Martinez - Luke was a pretty good player for the Pokes until his incident, but nobody was impressed that he was going to be part of the roster. He was a JUCO transfer/shooter that was lightly recruited out of Williston State. Luke's pedigree prior to that season was no better than Morris Marshall coming into this season.

Paco Cruz - Cruz had played the previous year as a key contributor on a team that went 3-13 in MWC play. Good shooter, decent mid range game, limited athletically. Nobody was impressed that he was coming back.

Adam Waddell - 5th year senior, Wyoming kid. Adam had a nice career, but by his senior season, injuries had sapped him of any jumping ability. He was one of the least effective rebounders at the 5 that you will ever see (post injury anyway, not true before), but was great at drawing charges.

Jaydee Luster - Tiny PG, couldn't really shoot. Under Shyatt he turned into a defensive pest/menace, but was definitely not held in high regard by the fan base prior to Shyatt's hire.

Arthur Bouedo - Remember him? No? There is a reason.

Afam Muojeke - Best returning player, only he couldn't really play due to the knee injury.

Watsabaugh was a returning walk-on as well and that was it. There were only 5 healthy D-1 players left (Bouedo wasn't a D-1 player and Muojeke was injured) and of those 5, only Leonard Washington would have been coveted by other MWC teams. Other than Leonard, we have a couple of regional JUCO transfer wings that were Big Sky recruits, a 5'6" PG that couldn't shoot, and a senior big man that couldn't really jump anymore.


Shyatt took over a team that had gone 6-28 against MWC opponents over the past 2 seasons. So take that roster, and then subtract 4 of the top 5 scorers (Jackson, MBaye, Thiam, and Muojeke because of the injury) and that is what you are left with. Yet, he went 6-8 in MWC play, 20-11 overall. Those numbers don't tell the full tale, because the MWC was stronger back then. That team finished 91st in KenPom's ratings and somewhere in the 80's in RPI if I recall correctly. That is incredible with that roster.

That team bought into Shyatt's philosophy on defense and significantly out performed their talent level.

Edwards inherited almost a full roster, one in which he helped recruit, that has an incredible talent in Justin James, a full stable of big men, none of who are stiffs (although they do lack in bulk for sure), and a group of perimeter shooters (Gorski/JMac).

I would take the current roster over the 11-12 roster every day. 11-12 was Shyatt's best coaching job. We can only hope that 16-17 is Edwards' worst.

That's a very good analysis. I would like to add one variable that no one seems to mention. When Shyatt took over, the shot clock was 35 seconds. No one was more effective at shortening a game than Shyatt. As a result, look at the scores of some of the games we played in conference. When the shot clock went to 30 seconds last year, I thought we really got exposed. Five seconds doesn't seem like much but the nature of the game is so much different now. I wonder if Shyatt's success would have happened with the 30 second clock.

My only disagreement with your post is the assessment of the big men. I would argue they are all stiffs. Herndon is a good player but he isn't a post player. Barnes and Naughton have proven to be non factors.

In terms of the big men, that is fair. I didn't even really think of Barnes, which tells you all you need to know. Still, the skill sets of Dalton and Herndon are sufficient that they could be utilized in a successful scheme and Moemeka is a big time athletic presence. Naughton is not super athletic, but he is more skilled than he gets the opportunity to show in this offense.

Barnes can't help at this level, on that you and I agree. However, obviously Edwards disagrees as he starts him in a critical conference road game.

 

[Wyo2dal]

This will be a hated post for sure, but here goes: Edwards has done a great job his first year. Nobody was giving him or this team any shot to look competitive. Everyone on this forum can attest that Wyoming has a chance in every game. I do love the up tempo offense and I think the defense is great with the old Shyatt players. Edwards big test is the next couple games and the MW Tourney. That will let us all know if he can really coach and deliver when it counts or on the big stage, just win.

And yes, I'm bi-polar, where is that Xanax?

I agree that we're far exceeding our media expectations. In that respect Edwards has done well. We'll see if Edwards can set us on a good trajectory. 2-3 years of solid improvement will have us in the top 3. I just feel we could be a top 1/2 team this year. Can't have your cake and eat it too if you're a Wyoming fan.

Honestly I've seen quite a few games this year against the top teams in the league. I feel like we were outgunned against Nevada. SDSU would give us TROUBLE on any court this year, same goes for Fresno. Didn't see the New Mexico game but I hope I get to catch this next one, but they seem like a toss up. UNLV even gives them trouble. CSU as well. I just don't think this team is quite there. Yes they COULD beat all those squads with great coaching (rotations on, prepartion, switching D's, X's and O'S) but I feel like the players have let the season down more then the coaching. Even in terms of athletic/technical match ups it just seems like a razors edge to win that is slightly tilted in these other teams favor (I'd say they tend to be slightly more athletic, slightly better shooters, and have seasoned long term coaches for the most part).
I watched the last few games with my dad here in WYO and he was pretty happy with the coaching. I have been too. Did you like seeing the team switching out of man and zone then to the press when things go to shit? Mixing it up on them and making adjustments. He commented on when the team never used to even do that. I remember those years too! I do think Edwards is learning on the job but that's how it goes. I'm pretty happy with this year even though it sux. This team is still easier on the eyes then in many years past, but extremely frustrating as well. Often when the camera pans to Edwards pissed on the sideline I feel bad for him because I don't even know what I'd do. Feel like there's only 6 crunch time players on this squad right now and even they tend to fuck up at horrible times.

There is no way this team has been even remotely close to being a 1/2 team in this conference. Maybe a 4/5 and that's about the ceiling of their current development.

Next year hopefully we see less bone headed turnovers and taking better care of the ball.


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[cali2wyo]

There is no way this team has been even remotely close to being a 1/2 team in this conference. Maybe a 4/5 and that's about the ceiling of their current development.

Next year hopefully we see less bone headed turnovers and taking better care of the ball.

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Top 1/2 as in top half. Which would be 5th or 6th...

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

There is no way this team has been even remotely close to being a 1/2 team in this conference. Maybe a 4/5 and that's about the ceiling of their current development.

Next year hopefully we see less bone headed turnovers and taking better care of the ball.

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Top 1/2 as in top half. Which would be 5th or 6th...

Well I thought like Wyo2dal that he was saying the Pokes should be the 1st or 2nd spot in the league. I mean it could've been possible if everything went right on all cylinders. Still your expecting a rookie coach to out coach all other coaches who've mostly been with their respective teams for years. That's a tall order with our talent pool. We have talent but no way is it heads and shoulders above our competition. These kids are still working out kinks and that's how it goes. I mean take JJ for example. We're looking at this soph who didn't get many minutes his frosh year to come in dominate, take leadership, score, play hard D, limit his TO's, and be a clutch guy in crunch time. That's a lot of weight on one dude especially when others drop the ball. I mean yes NBA caliber ready dudes can do that but Wyoming is a developmental team in a developmental league. The MWC is pretty much always driven by Junior/Senior dominated squads, which is exactly where Wyoming is going to be next year :thumb:

 

[Adv8RU12]

Still your expecting a rookie coach to out coach all other coaches who've mostly been with their respective teams for years.

Rookie coach? Wait a minute. This guy's been around a long time in the tutelage of an expert. Didn't he learn anything in this interval? It's not like they went down to the mall and picked some some bum to come in to coach.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Still your expecting a rookie coach to out coach all other coaches who've mostly been with their respective teams for years.

Rookie coach? Wait a minute. This guy's been around a long time in the tutelage of an expert. Didn't he learn anything in this interval? It's not like they went down to the mall and picked some some bum to come in to coach.

He's still a rookie head coach. In case you haven't noticed, they are no longer running the Larry Shyatt system. Which means players are learning a new system. And just like the football team went through, the system change is drastic.

And right now, we've got a lot of Colby Kirkegaards and Jalen Claibornes on the team who were brought in to run the old offense but aren't great fits in the current scheme.

So sure, I guess you all have the right to give up on Coach Edwards before giving him a decent chance just like you did the same for Coach Bohl two years ago (and as recent as one year ago). Craig Bohl didn't suddenly learn how to coach last summer. He was no different last season as he was in the 4-8 and 2-10 seasons. The difference is he finally got the players onto the roster who were equipped to play his system.

Allen Edwards deserves the same opportunity to add his own players to the roster before he is judged.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Still your expecting a rookie coach to out coach all other coaches who've mostly been with their respective teams for years.

Rookie coach? Wait a minute. This guy's been around a long time in the tutelage of an expert. Didn't he learn anything in this interval? It's not like they went down to the mall and picked some some bum to come in to coach.

He's still a rookie head coach. In case you haven't noticed, they are no longer running the Larry Shyatt system. Which means players are learning a new system. And just like the football team went through, the system change is drastic.

And right now, we've got a lot of Colby Kirkegaards and Jalen Claibornes on the team who were brought in to run the old offense but aren't great fits in the current scheme.

So sure, I guess you all have the right to give up on Coach Edwards before giving him a decent chance just like you did the same for Coach Bohl two years ago (and as recent as one year ago). Craig Bohl didn't suddenly learn how to coach last summer. He was no different last season as he was in the 4-8 and 2-10 seasons. The difference is he finally got the players onto the roster who were equipped to play his system.

Allen Edwards deserves the same opportunity to add his own players to the roster before he is judged.

A good coach adapts his system to fit the players that he inherits. You can't force your system right away. We all saw what happened when Schroyer did the same. We aren't idiots as you like to proclaim. We've been around the block a few times long before you became infatuated with Cowboys.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Still your expecting a rookie coach to out coach all other coaches who've mostly been with their respective teams for years.

Rookie coach? Wait a minute. This guy's been around a long time in the tutelage of an expert. Didn't he learn anything in this interval? It's not like they went down to the mall and picked some some bum to come in to coach.

He ain't no bum but he's a rookie head coach. Being an assistant coach and the HC are totally different jobs. Yes learning under an expert is always nice but nothing like having to be the guy pulling all the strings. Being the guy that gets the full wave of shit when things go bad and having to solve it. The main motivator on the team. The dude working the sidelines and trying to adjust in game. I mean all coaches work it differently with how much they let their staff do but still these other guys at their programs have been the HC wwwwwaaaaaaayyyyyyy longer to implement everything. Is it a coincidence that the top half of the league is filled with coaches that have had their program for 3+ years, many of whom are seasoned HC vets, hell in SDSU's case a HALL OF FAMER. Musselman at Nevada is actually the hot shit splash hire of the league in his 2nd year and he was an NBA HC who has his program rolling out of the gates.

This league has never been total bullshit even in a way down year. There are strong basketball minds and personalities in a league that sends players to the pros. The Pokes weren't good last year. We've seen a lot of improvement in our players this year and a totally different system put into place. I'm still kinda of impressed by what they have going because its not near train wreck status. They've been in almost every damn game but yes we're losing because of kinks that I explained above posts. I'm still interested to see how Edwards drives this team to the end this season and I'm already STOKED thinking about them next year. The team should have plenty of motivation if any of them even sniff around this board :rofl:

 

[Adv8RU12]

A good coach adapts his system to fit the players that he inherits. You can't force your system right away

This postulation couldn't be more correct. A GOOD coach would implement his system incrementally, integrating his ideas one at a time until they are all in place. This gives the players time to adapt to each change and makes the transition smooth.

 

[cali2wyo]

A good coach adapts his system to fit the players that he inherits. You can't force your system right away

This postulation couldn't be more correct. A GOOD coach would implement his system incrementally, integrating his ideas one at a time until they are all in place. This gives the players time to adapt to each change and makes the transition smooth.

I had this same belief up until a few months ago... Craig Bohl converted me, lol.

 

[joshvanklomp]

A good coach adapts his system to fit the players that he inherits. You can't force your system right away

This postulation couldn't be more correct. A GOOD coach would implement his system incrementally, integrating his ideas one at a time until they are all in place. This gives the players time to adapt to each change and makes the transition smooth.

So you're saying Craig Bohl isn't a good coach, got it.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

A good coach adapts his system to fit the players that he inherits. You can't force your system right away

This postulation couldn't be more correct. A GOOD coach would implement his system incrementally, integrating his ideas one at a time until they are all in place. This gives the players time to adapt to each change and makes the transition smooth.

So you're saying Craig Bohl isn't a good coach, got it.

Hey dufus, basketball is much different than football. This was a discussion on basketball. Got it? Good....

And if you think Bohl went all in on his system, you are crazy. He adapted to the talent he inherited and tried to win with it. It was incremental.