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Does Burman have all of his ducks in a row?

Cowboy Junky

Cowboy Junky

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He seemed to be ready when it came to hiring DC. He got a coach that was on everyone's wish list by being prepared and hiring DC before anyone else could come in and get him.

It's evident Heath's days are numbered and few. Since that's the case, Burman has to be getting prepared to go get a coach that is going to fill up the seats.

I know this has been discussed before, but who is on the wish list to replace Heath? We seem to stay away from coaches you've heard about, so what assistant or head coach from a lower division school can we expect to bring in at the end of this year?

I would love to see Reggie Theus in Laramie. He could get it done. Does anyone else have any good ideas for coaches that could turn South Pass City into Hell's Half Acre/Dome of Doom again?
 
Does Billy Gilespie have a job yet? I thought Theus wanted to coach in the NBA. I don't see him coming here. Not to burst your bubble, but I doubt HS will be fired anytime soon. I wouldn't be surprised if he was back next year. If they didn't get rid of him after last year, why would they this year?

Based on what we are paying HS, I can't see a quality coach coming here for that kind of money. I think HS is the lowest paid coach in the conference (except possibly AF).
 
bladerunnr said:
Does Billy Gilespie have a job yet? I thought Theus wanted to coach in the NBA. I don't see him coming here. Not to burst your bubble, but I doubt HS will be fired anytime soon. I wouldn't be surprised if he was back next year. If they didn't get rid of him after last year, why would they this year?

Based on what we are paying HS, I can't see a quality coach coming here for that kind of money. I think HS is the lowest paid coach in the conference (except possibly AF).
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That is the basis of the problem and until we deal with that problem UW will never get out of the hole we are in! :brick:
 
I'm a firm believer that you have to let a coach have four years unless he's causing problems like Locksley at UNM. This is year four and unless we miraculously make the dance and go deep there's no chance in hell that he's going to be kept for year five.

It's funny, when Schroyer was an assistant here he was known as a defensive coach. He came in preaching defense and rebounding and then he recruited a bunch of guys that don't want to rebound and refuse to play defense.

McClain had discipline problems and couldn't get his guys to play consistently towards the end of his stint in Laramie. Now we have another coach that can't give Wyoming fans what we want: a team that gives 110 percent every night and isn't afraid to get ugly to get a win.

I'm just hoping we can find a guy that can get his guys to outwork the other team. I thought Heath would be that guy but it seems like the only thing he's going to take away from Laramie is a t-shirt that reads, "I fixed the A.P.R."
 
Cowboy Junky said:
He seemed to be ready when it came to hiring DC. He got a coach that was on everyone's wish list by being prepared and hiring DC before anyone else could come in and get him.

It's evident Heath's days are numbered and few. Since that's the case, Burman has to be getting prepared to go get a coach that is going to fill up the seats.

I know this has been discussed before, but who is on the wish list to replace Heath? We seem to stay away from coaches you've heard about, so what assistant or head coach from a lower division school can we expect to bring in at the end of this year?

I would love to see Reggie Theus in Laramie. He could get it done. Does anyone else have any good ideas for coaches that could turn South Pass City into Hell's Half Acre/Dome of Doom again?
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Well, the DC hire isn't exactly working out either (don't let the Border War fool you. This was a poorly coached team that failed to consistently execute basic fundamentals).

I would say at some point, we need to realize that this athletic department can never move forward while Tom Burman is in charge. He not only hired Heath Schroyer, he extended him after a nearly identical season to the season in which McClain was fired. It is clear that personal feelings towards his staff factor more highly into his evaluations than on the job capabilities. That is fine if you are running a small business, or even a High School athletic department. That won't cut in in Division 1 athletics.

I think we need to make a change at Athletic Director immediately , so that a new AD can be identified and hired in time to hire the next basketball coach.

The next coach will almost assuredly have to be an assistant looking for his own gig and willing to take a bargain basement salary to do it. The season ticket base has dropped by more than 50% and the attendance by nearly 65% since our last 20 win season. We no longer generate the revenue we once did. The coaching salary will be commensurate with that lack of revenue generation. Any of us that feel the need to complain about the low salaries needs to direct those complaints not at the administration (or my favorite whipping boy, Tom Burman) but at the fellow Wyoming fans who fail to show up and support the program. If they were supporting the program financially (either via game attendance, or donations) than the revenue would be there. We can't rely on institutional funding (i.e., state welfare) to fund our athletic program and then complain when we don't spend the money to hire a name coach.

Based on that, we need an athletic director who can identify up and coming coaching talent. I don't pretend to know who that it is (either the AD, or the coach), but we now have sufficient evidence to say with certainty that Tom Burman and Heath Schroyer are not the solution.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2796003

An old article about McClain being fired...I read that again tonight, and was kinda blown away. McClain was basically fired for the same crap that Schroyer was extended for. If Burman made that firing within 5 weeks as AD, what the F is taking him so long to get rid of Schroyer??? I know I'm asking rhetorical questions and preaching to the choir....but still!


I'm glad the Pokes beat NM, and hopefully a shot in the arm for the program...but when is enough, enough?
 
I still like this comment for the article

This is one of the dumbest moves ever from the University of Wyoming. He brought in Donta Richardson, Uche Nsonwu Amadi, Jay Straight, Brandon Ewing, Brad Jones, Justin Williams. And for in state, Marcus Bailey and Eric Platt as well as the kid from Cody coming in next year. That is pretty good for Wyoming considering the level of high school basketball. All of these players are McClain's not Shyatt's. Shyatt left in 1998, so the team that beat Gonzaga and almost beat Arizona was not his team either. Good job to all you people who wanted to get rid of him. He was the best we were going to have. Who do we bring in now?
 
TwoTone said:
I still like this comment for the article

This is one of the dumbest moves ever from the University of Wyoming. He brought in Donta Richardson, Uche Nsonwu Amadi, Jay Straight, Brandon Ewing, Brad Jones, Justin Williams. And for in state, Marcus Bailey and Eric Platt as well as the kid from Cody coming in next year. That is pretty good for Wyoming considering the level of high school basketball. All of these players are McClain's not Shyatt's. Shyatt left in 1998, so the team that beat Gonzaga and almost beat Arizona was not his team either. Good job to all you people who wanted to get rid of him. He was the best we were going to have. Who do we bring in now?
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McClain was done in by the dismal academic performance of his players. PLJulian swears it's because there was no dedicated adademic advisor for the team, but I doubt it was as clear-cut as that. Our APR was one of the worst in the country because 1) players were failing and 2) they were quitting school altogether. It was all the excuse anyone would need to get rid of him.

For the record I was all for losing McClain at the time, and don't regret it now. Anyone wanting further evidence of whether we should have kept him should take careful notes about how many head coaching positions he's held since departing Wyoming and how well he did as an interim at CU.

But I do regret the hiring of Schroyer. From a competitive standpoint it was a disaster and I only can hope it gets changed this year.
 
PokePride.com said:
WYCowboy said:
PokePride.com said:
Anyone on this list I would take here in Laramie, and as far as I know (I could be mistaking) they are all still out of coaching.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jn-hoopcoachjob051509
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There are some very good coaches on that list, but I doubt any of them would be a good fit for Wyoming.
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Anybody is a better fit right now than Schroyer!!!
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What I'm saying is either we couldn't afford them or else they wouldn't come to Wyoming. Just read the list and look at where they are from and where they have been.
 
WYCowboy said:
PokePride.com said:
WYCowboy said:
PokePride.com said:
Anyone on this list I would take here in Laramie, and as far as I know (I could be mistaking) they are all still out of coaching.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jn-hoopcoachjob051509
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There are some very good coaches on that list, but I doubt any of them would be a good fit for Wyoming.
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Anybody is a better fit right now than Schroyer!!!
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What I'm saying is either we couldn't afford them or else they wouldn't come to Wyoming. Just read the list and look at where they are from and where they have been.
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I am not saying they would come here either but any of them would be an improvement over Schroyer, I think we can all admit that!!!
 
PokePride.com said:
I am not saying they would come here either but any of them would be an improvement over Schroyer, I think we can all admit that!!!
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A trained chimp from NASA would be an improvement over Schroyer!!!!!!!! :brick: :brick: :brick:
 
Wyokie said:
PokePride.com said:
I am not saying they would come here either but any of them would be an improvement over Schroyer, I think we can all admit that!!!
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A trained chimp from NASA would be an improvement over Schroyer!!!!!!!! :brick: :brick: :brick:
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I have a 5 year old that I am sure would be willing to coach the team for a lot less than Schroyer makes... he would make sure they won too...
 
Mr. Burman,

As one of the faithful UW fans, I want to say congrats to the men’s basketball team for their victory over NM tonight. It was a well fought game, and the Pokes came out on top!


This is my second email to you with regards the basketball program. The first one either went un-noticed, or you didn’t bother to respond. Either way, I thought I would try again.

Like I mentioned earlier, I’m a faithful UW fan, who graduated from UW and commissioned into the military back in ‘07. UW will always hold a special place in my heart. With that being so, I am greatly troubled with the direction that our basketball program has gone in the last several years. UW has failed to uphold a strong tradition of success. I hold coach Heath Schroyer personally responsible for this. He inherited a somewhat healthy, productive program, and throughout his tenure, driven that program further into the ground.

During his tenure, he has continued to use the same excuses for failure: “we’re too young”, “we’re immature”, “my go-to guys are hurt”, “We weren’t prepared for them”. Not only does he have an excuse for failure, the fan base has continued to dwindle to a fraction of what they were several years ago. I know the announced attendance throughout the season has been around 4K, but word from in the arena is that there are now 2K or less “cheeks in seats”.

With this in mind, I read an article that was written back in March ‘07, explaining the firing of Coach Steve McClain. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2796003) It describes many of the reasons why Coach McClain was let go. I can’t help but to read it and see MANY similarities in the reasons why McClain was fired and things that Coach Schroyer has endured with little to no repercussions, let alone his “job being on the line”. Has Coach Schroyer even seen the success the Cowboys saw during the McClain era?

Now I’m not saying Coach McClain was a great, or even a good coach. There were valid reasons why he was let go. I only wanted to point out, and I’m sure you’re already on it, that Coach Schroyer is not the answer to UW’s basketball woes. Please tell me that you’re already looking into the situation and have a “solution” already in mind?


Very Respectfully,


HIS RESPONSE

I truly appreciate your passion for UW. I will be the first to admit that we have not had any substantial basketball success for many years. I take responsibility for that lack of production. I am very hopeful that yesterday's victory over the Lobos will be the catalyst to kick start this group. They are truly nice young men who are doing everything we ask socially and academically. If we do not make progress on the floor we will review the program and make the decisions necessary. Thanks and I appreciate your service to our great country. TB
 
kdwrightuwyo said:
They are truly nice young men who are doing everything we ask socially
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That...is not the truth. At least I hope we are not asking them to do some of the shit they are "doing socially". Wow. :oops:
 
Here are some coaches to look at:
1. Gregg Marshall @Wichita St.- Has almost 250 wins between WSU and Winthrop.
2. Gary Waters @ Cleveland St.- 88-63 in 5 years(including 15-1 this year) He's gradually made this program better.
3. Brad Stevens@ Butler- I'm pretty sure that We can spend just as much if not more than Butler is for him. Better nab him now, before the bigger schools do.
4. Mike Lonergran @Vermont- 114-62 6 years. Great Offensive coach.
5. Ben Jacobson@ N. Iowa- 99-49,
6. Joe Scott @Denver- Great Offense and amazing defense. His record show's losing at 142-165, But he has turned every program around from the bottom up that he's coached at.
 
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